E-juice vendors make e-vaping difficult....

[kinhvanhoa]

Well, it's my simple opinion about current e-juice market.

Some vendors allow customers to decide too many options, particularly, VG/PG levels, flavor levels and so forth.
Frankly, as a newbie, that makes me too overwhelmed to try some vendors.
As you know some big and old vendors in the market such as Halocigs, johnsonscreek or so do make things simpler but, some new and small vendors seem to have a business only with veteran vapers.
What makes this e-juice market complicating and difficult to newbies?

I sometimes feel that some vendors just try to avoid their responsibility on the quality of e-juices and abuse the fact that to taste an ejuice is highly subjective.

Don't get wrong. I do support "the customization" opportunity as a customer but, that should be optional.
If vendors have some authentic formula for their e-juice products, they should offer the "flagship" premixed ones that customers simply need to choose the level of nic. and size of the bottle.

In fact, many e-cig newbies get headache on trying new e-juices and go back to analogue due to its simplicity.

Thanks.

 

[Thompson]

While it can make your head spin at first, its not all that much in the long run.

I stuck with straight 50/50 VG/PG liquids until I found what I preferred.

Thats really the only other option outside of nicotine percentage & bottle size.

Flavor shots I guess are pretty explanatory and that is the only other variable that comes to mind.

I do see your point of having flagship blends premixed and waiting to sell, but even between bottle sizes & nic content you'd have so many bottles of one blend in varying sizes it'd be a bit too much for storage.

 

[xanderxman]

The vendors that offer choices usually offer nic level, PG/VG ratio and extra flavor shot options. I can understand that a new vaper may not understand the PG/VG ratio but I fail to see how the options would cause someone to give up and go back to smoking.

When I started vaping several months ago, I simply came here and did some research. I settled on 18mg nic level based on comments I saw. I stuck to a 50/50 split on PG/VG (and still do) based on comments here. The only option left was extra flavor shots. I ordered all of my e-juice with no extra flavor shots for the first taste. If they were light on flavor I bumped up the flavor shots accordingly.

I really do not see how choices drive away customers. I can understand that a new vaper may be overwhelmed but with so many helpful people on this forum I can't believe that you would give up so easily.

 

[kiwivap]

In fact, many e-cig newbies get headache on trying new e-juices and go back to analogue due to its simplicity.

Thanks.

No. I haven't seen this happening.

 

[jazon1]

personally i wont order juice from any store that does not allow customization everyone likes there juice differently,for tanks i only use 70/30% pg/vg for dripping ill use 50/50 all 18mg nic and always add extra flavor.

they allow customization for not only how you much flavor or TH you want but you need to adjust the blend depending on what kind of equipment you use for instance thick juice just wont wick well and you'll get lots of dry hits and ruin attys.

i think most people new to ecigs usually buy pre filled cartos for there cigalikes that they usually start out with, so it makes sense that vendors give all the options for more experienced vapers.

 

[The Ocelot]

personally i wont order juice from any store that does not allow customization everyone likes there juice differently,for tanks i only use 70/30% pg/vg for dripping ill use 50/50 all 18mg nic and always add extra flavor.

That is exactly what I was going to post, except 12mgs.

 

[wmacy1028]

When new, i think all of this makes your head spin alot.. just sit and do research you will be fine..

 

[Yokymo]

As a new vapor I am more inclined to buy from a store that gives me options then I am to buy from one that doesnt.

To me, i see giving options as ways to attract more people. The reason peoples heads spin is all the options in hardware. I think with all the hardware out there drives more people crazy then juice does.

 

[Faylool]

If you never try something that is given as an option how will you learn? Try all the options. It's all vapeable. I think the worst mistake newbies make is not reading the experts take on nicotine strength. Or you can buy different strengths and learn what keeps you from wanting a cigarette the best or both read and experiment. Goooooood luck! It took me 4 months to feel like I knew what I wanted and what I was doing. Then there are some try DIY and try RBAs and a regulated mod right out the gate.

 

[2coils]

Another point: All of these options lead to fresh mixed juice. As a noob gets more experience, most will welcome the selections.

 

[Sohtem]

Speaking as a newbie, I have to say that it has been a lot of work to learn what is needed to make vaping happen. But honestly, that is not my biggest frustration with vaping...it is the patience to wait for it all to come in the mail combined with the patience of trying to build a relationship with an online store as opposed to the guy at the convenience store down the road.

My two cents, anyway.

 

[Kagey K]

i think most people new to ecigs usually buy pre filled cartos for there cigalikes that they usually start out with, so it makes sense that vendors give all the options for more experienced vapers.

I know my folks are in AZ right now and almost 2 weeks off of the analogs. I don't know what kind of ecigs they bought but I'm fairly sure they are 510 or some other cig lookalike and most likely use pre-filled disposable cartridges in them. I'm hoping that by the time they come home in Feb I can show them the benefits of using refillable tanks and a better ecig.

I just need mine to show up so I have some time with it. Hopefully it'll be here Thurs or Fri. I think your assumption is right on though, and most peoples first ecigs are even worse then what you assume. Most are the non rechargable gas station kind I think.

 

[ShyDragon]

When I started I just went with a 50/50 blend and thought that if I ever felt like I was missing out one way or the other I would adjust and test. I'm still with that blend 6 months later. I even ordered a bunch of different sample sized bottles from EC Blend a few weeks in and felt like a kid in a candy store from all the options available.

 

[Buggs5347]

I won't/can't shop at a vendor that doesn't have options. Simply because I have an extreme sensitivity to PG. So, I and many other vapers need to have the choice to lower or choose 0 PG. Others, prefer higher PG. Also, I have been weaning myself off of nic, so I only shop at vendors who also offer 0 nic juice. I started at 24 mg and have slowly reduced my nic over time. Without options, that wouldn't be possible.

 

[Saintly1]

The reason analogs are simple is because we have been using them for so long. If someone were to decide today that they wanted to start smoking analogs, but knew nothing about them, and walked into a convenience store they would be just as overwhelmed as newbies are with e-cigs. There are lots of options for analogs, we just don't think about it because it's common knowledge to us. As people use e-cigs more and ask for help when they don't understand then it will become common knowledge for them as well. I'm sure most vendors are more than willing to help with questions, as are people here. I've talked to convenience store clerks and most of them can't help you with either e-cigs or analogs. Yes, it appears complex at first but really it's quite simple once you ask.

 

[Kagey K]

The reason analogs are simple is because we have been using them for so long. If someone were to decide today that they wanted to start smoking analogs, but knew nothing about them, and walked into a convenience store they would be just as overwhelmed as newbies are with e-cigs. There are lots of options for analogs, we just don't think about it because it's common knowledge to us. As people use e-cigs more and ask for help when they don't understand then it will become common knowledge for them as well. I'm sure most vendors are more than willing to help with questions, as are people here. I've talked to convenience store clerks and most of them can't help you with either e-cigs or analogs. Yes, it appears complex at first but really it's quite simple once you ask.

I agree and so does the tobacco industry when they start introducing capsules that you can pop to turn a regular into a menthol in a squeeze of a filter. That was the last big gimmick last time I went to the US and it worked. I bought them to bring back to my friends.

 

[cignewton]

I'm in a similar spot with the variety of flavors for DIY. I have learned what nic level I like and have felt the diff between 80/20 and 50/50 pg/vg.

Flavors I thought I would like -- I didn't, and vice versa. I first thought I wanted strong flavors, but now I find myself diluting them down.

At this point I'm mixing my own thanks to the posts on this forum. The choices are daunting but you don't have to learn it all in a day. When I can mix a 10ml bottle for under a dollar, the effort to figure it out is worth it. Even if you stick with premixed liquids you'll be saving a bunch compared to analogs and thats not even considering the health benefit.

Hang in there. You will order plenty of things you dont care for, but it's very likely you will make some good finds and zero in on that target set of flavors you enjoy.

Xanderxman's suggestions are good. For a new vaper I would start with 50/50 pg/vg and 18 mg/ml nic level. If you were a heavy smoker start with 24 mg/ml. Some vendors just call the pg vg as extra pg, regular and smooth. If the vape too harsh then go smooth or extra vg. This really is too subjective for one size fits all. I would also start with simple flavors. Eventually you will think "this would be perfect if it had a little ... in there" Then you can order your next mix to try and approach that.

 

[DiNet]

I also think that pg/vg should be determined by vendor for best experience.
AiV does that, they are selling their juices mixed to what they are sure is the best ratio. And you can request another pg/vg ratio, you'll get warned by them:

You can ask for a higher PG ratio to increase the throat hit, but unfortunately, this can compromise in flavor, fluffiness and the overall experience of the flavor. I would not recommend this

But you can do that.

It's like restaurant to me, I'm fairly sure that chef knows how much and which ingredients to use in that dish for best flavor.

 

[Maarvin]

Welcome to the adults version of the magic cave. This has been an adventure for me for five months and still have a lot to learn. The big advantage you have is living in a country where eliquids are available for purchase.(with nicotine) Living in the land down under you can import for personal use only. This presents 2 major issues 1. No local suppliers to consult. 2. A long delay for orders plus cost. I recommend spending time searching the ECF as i have learned well from senior members and has made my decisions easier. The sad thing is a lot of vendors don't ship to Australia, but your personal tastes will change with the new things you try. Suggest 50/50 and 12mg not to strong and not weak at the knees.

 

[VanillaButternut]

Yep. Stick with 50/50. 18mg. No extras. That's your basic recipe. I can understand your point of view, but I would have never learned that I like a little menthol with my fruit vapes if it wasn't for Rawr Vapor and the info in the review section. In my experience it really doesn't take long for new vapors to be interested in new flavors and options. Also, I think part of vaping the desire for change and options when you desire to change your habits without having to make the full commitment to quit cold turkey or use some BS Chantix-like product or something, and therefore I think most people would naturally be a lot more interested in what's they're using, because they are looking for something different. But if you're not interested in customization then surely these vendors are just not for you in the first place, and there are plenty of other vendors.