E-liquid VG or Optim?

[FastCarsAndCubanCigars]

Hey vape family!

I've been away for awhile, I got a new job and was trying to get settled in. But down to business lol.

Does anyone know of a vape company that uses Dow OPTIM?

From what I understand that chemical is approved for inhalations and is the best stuff you could buy.

Does anyone know of a company that uses this OPTIM instead of VG?

This question has probably been asked a billion times....sorry if I'm late to the party...dam traffic haha.

 

[zoiDman]

Hey Vape family!

I've been away for awhile, I got a new job and was trying to get settled in. But down to business lol.

Does anyone know of a vape company that uses Dow OPTIM?

From what I understand that chemical is approved for inhalations and is the best stuff you could buy.

Does anyone know of a company that uses this OPTIM instead of VG?

This question has probably been asked a billion times....sorry if I'm late to the party...dam traffic haha.

I have Never Heard of anyone Using Dow OPTIM. Either a Vendor or a DIY-er. Nor do I even know where you can Buy it?

If you have a Link, please post it.

 

[FastCarsAndCubanCigars]

I have Never Heard of anyone Using Dow OPTIM. Either a Vendor or a DIY-er. Nor do I even know where you can Buy it?

If you have a Link, please post it.

I don't know of anyone using it either. I though I'd ask the community if they knew of anyone.

I wonder if that would be an upside to a E-liquid company to use it instead of traditional VG.

I know I would purchase from them provided such company existed and the flavoring was up to par.

 

[zoiDman]

I don't know of anyone using it either. I though I'd ask the community if they knew of anyone.

I wonder if that would be an upside to a E-liquid company to use it instead of traditional VG.

I know I would purchase from them provided such company existed and the flavoring was up to par.

I'm not sure what the Cost of Dow OPTIM? But I would Guess that it is Much More than Vegetable based VG. Which is Why things like Synthetic VG or Synthetic Nicotine are not used.

And there does come a Point where Purity becomes Inconsequential.

If I'm working in a Level 3 Clean Room Lab, or perhaps doing Research and Need to Remove as Many Extraneous Variables as Possible, I could see a need.

But to Fill a Clearo that I many Times carry in my Pocket? Perhaps Not?

 

[FastCarsAndCubanCigars]

I'm not sure what the Cost of Dow OPTIM? But I would Guess that it is Much More than Vegetable based VG. Which is Why things like Synthetic VG or Synthetic Nicotine are not used.

And there does come a Point where Purity becomes Inconsequential.

If I'm working in a Level 3 Clean Room Lab, or perhaps doing Research and Need to Remove as Many Extraneous Variables as Possible, I could see a need.

But to Fill a Clearo that I many Times carry in my Pocket? Perhaps Not?

I would assume it would be more expensive then Vegetable based VG's. How much more I couldn't say...But VG works just fine for me lol.

But the whole inhalations thing got me thinking and it seemed like an ace chemical to use for this application. I could be wrong though lol.

You make a great point in regards to the clean room lab etc. But I also feel that even if it's just going into a Clearo and a vendor took the time to use OPTIM and didn't hike up prices through the roof it would be appreciated...no? Plus I would think anyone who could actually purchase OPTIM would be manufacturing this out of a top grade lab. At least I would hope lol.

 

[zoiDman]

I would assume it would be more expensive then Vegetable based VG's. How much more I couldn't say...But VG works just fine for me lol.

But the whole inhalations thing got me thinking and it seemed like an ace chemical to use for this application. I could be wrong though lol.

You make a great point in regards to the clean room lab etc. But I also feel that even if it's just going into a Clearo and a vendor took the time to use OPTIM and didn't hike up prices through the roof it would be appreciated...no? Plus I would think anyone who could actually purchase OPTIM would be manufacturing this out of a top grade lab. At least I would hope lol.

Oh I can Guarantee that it is Going to be More Expensive that USP Grade VG. But Like you, I Don't know how much?

5x? 10x? 100x?

If an OPTIM based e-Liquid Cost Twice as Much as the Average e-Liquid, do you think there would be Much Demand?

As to the Lab thing. Yeah, I think if I was heading up a Multi-Billion Dollar Cancer Drug Research Project, I would probably Not Think Twice about using OPTIM to grow Cultures in verses buying CVS Brand VG at my local Strip Mall.

 

[FastCarsAndCubanCigars]

Of course if it cost twice as much as the average E-liquid I don't see a demand for it at all lol. I mean sometimes I have a hard time paying $28 for a bottle of Five Pawns lol.

But if someone could make an OPTIM juice and keep it in market prices then maybe a demand would be created. Hard to say without having solid numbers.

LOL yes I agree with you OPTIM would grow cultures for sure and kinda set a bench mark of some sort. But I don't head up anything like that nor do I know of anyone who does lol.

 

[FastCarsAndCubanCigars]

Oh I can Guarantee that it is Going to be More Expensive that USP Grade VG. But Like you, I Don't know how much?

5x? 10x? 100x?

If an OPTIM based e-Liquid Cost Twice as Much as the Average e-Liquid, do you think there would be Much Demand?

As to the Lab thing. Yeah, I think if I was heading up a Multi-Billion Dollar Cancer Drug Research Project, I would probably Not Think Twice about using OPTIM to grow Cultures in verses buying CVS Brand VG at my local Strip Mall.

Of course if it cost twice as much as the average E-liquid I don't see a demand for it at all lol. I mean sometimes I have a hard time paying $28 for a bottle of Five Pawns lol.

But if someone could make an OPTIM juice and keep it in market prices then maybe a demand would be created. Hard to say without having solid numbers.

LOL yes I agree with you OPTIM would grow cultures for sure and kinda set a bench mark of some sort. But I don't head up anything like that nor do I know of anyone who does lol.

 

[Geoffrey White]

Has anyone gotten anywhere with this? If there were a company selling e-liquid made with Dow Optim, I'd be very likely to buy from them.

If not, even if I could get my own hands on some Dow Optim, I'd be interested in making my own e-liquids, or even simply using it to mix with my previously purchased e-liquids.

As an aside: If I ever manage to acquire some Dow Optim, and diluted it with only DW or PGA until it was acceptable to use in most e-cigs, would any of you be interested in making some donations for 30 ml bottles (to be used either pure, with your own nicotine/flavouring added, or to mix with other e-liquids)?

 

[Rickajho]

If you read this one from someone who requested a sample from P&G it may not be an option: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/570209-rejected-vg-sample-request.html

At least one company drew the line on selling to tobacco related companies a long time ago. Short hop to not supplying to the e-cig industry.

 

[FastCarsAndCubanCigars]

Has anyone gotten anywhere with this? If there were a company selling e-liquid made with Dow Optim, I'd be very likely to buy from them.

If not, even if I could get my own hands on some Dow Optim, I'd be interested in making my own e-liquids, or even simply using it to mix with my previously purchased e-liquids.

As an aside: If I ever manage to acquire some Dow Optim, and diluted it with only DW or PGA until it was acceptable to use in most e-cigs, would any of you be interested in making some donations for 30 ml bottles (to be used either pure, with your own nicotine/flavouring added, or to mix with other e-liquids)?

I'm still searching for this E liquid company that does use it. I understand that it's expensive so I'm not sure if it would be profitable for a company to buy it then sell it in their e liquids. They might price themselves out of the market.

 

[zoiDman]

I'm still searching for this E liquid company that does use it. I understand that it's expensive so I'm not sure if it would be profitable for a company to buy it then sell it in their e liquids. They might price themselves out of the market.

If you do Find any e-Liquids that are made from it, or if you can find it Retail, please Be Sure to Post a link in this Thread.

 

[Geoffrey White]

From what I understand, the only verified source of nearly pure (minimum 99.7%) glycerin is Dow Optim, but apparently there are 2 other sources (Essentials Depot and ChemWorld) that make similar claims...

Does anyone have any input regarding that?

I mean, if their claims are true, and I can't manage to find access to Dow Optim, would either of these 2 other sources not be just as good?

 

[FastCarsAndCubanCigars]

From what I understand, the only verified source of nearly pure (minimum 99.7%) glycerin is Dow Optim, but apparently there are 2 other sources (Essentials Depot and ChemWorld) that make similar claims...

Does anyone have any input regarding that?

I mean, if their claims are true, and I can't manage to find access to Dow Optim, would either of these 2 other sources not be just as good?

From what I understand Optim is approved to be inhaled and VG isn't approved for that but it also won't hurt you. But the other two companies you mentioned are VG based Glycerins and Optim is synthetic.

I'm not sure what the make up of Optim is but if the FDA approved it to be inhaled then that's a good sign.

 

[zoiDman]

From what I understand Optim is approved to be inhaled and VG isn't approved for that but it also won't hurt you. But the other two companies you mentioned are VG based Glycerins and Optim is synthetic.

I'm not sure what the make up of Optim is but if the FDA approved it to be inhaled then that's a good sign.

As I understand it. Any USP Grade VG is "Approved" to be Inhaled where as Food Grade VG is Not.

But be Careful when you hear the Word "Approved". Because if the Dosage and Frequency of the Inhalation are Not Mentioned, you Don't have much to go on.

USP VG might be "Approved" to use for a Stage Hand breathing in "Fog" 5 Times a Week for 7 Minutes or Less. But that might be a Stretch to apply that same Approval to someone Hitting on a PV 18 Hours a Day, 7 Days a Week, 365 a Year.

 

[FastCarsAndCubanCigars]

As I understand it. Any USP Grade VG is "Approved" to be Inhaled where as Food Grade VG is Not.

But be Careful when you hear the Word "Approved". Because if the Dosage and Frequency of the Inhalation are Not Mentioned, you Don't have much to go on.

USP VG might be "Approved" to use for a Stage Hand breathing in "Fog" 5 Times a Week for 7 Minutes or Less. But that might be a Stretch to apply that same Approval to someone Hitting on a PV 18 Hours a Day, 7 Days a Week, 365 a Year.

That makes sense! Well I'm still on a mission to find someone that does us Optim in their juices. It will be good to see a company get it and kinda set the bar a little higher for the quality of juices. Of course it has to taste good and all that.

If no company is found then USP VG is industry standard and will stay that way.

 

[zoiDman]

That makes sense! Well I'm still on a mission to find someone that does us Optim in their juices. It will be good to see a company get it and kinda set the bar a little higher for the quality of juices. Of course it has to taste good and all that.

If no company is found then USP VG is industry standard and will stay that way.

I poked around a little and Came Across this...

How to obtain jatropha-free glycerine

Because the supply chain in the e-liquid world is based on word of mouth ("My supplier told me this is the highest quality") and overseas certificates of dubious quality, it is impossible to eliminate the possibility of contaminated glycerine unless (a) a reliable test certificate is presented, or (b) the source is unimpeachable.

A 'reliable test certificate' is not one that originates overseas, it comes from a nationally-accredited testing laboratory in your country, and it states specifically on it that jatropha was one of the contaminants tested for. Alternatively a reliable source is needed, such as a pharmaceutical supplier who can provide (not tell you about) pharmaceutical licenses for inhalation duty; the safest at this time is probably Dow Chemical's Optim product, a synthetic glycerine of about 99.9% purity (nothing is 'pure'; the contaminant here is likely to be water). This has multiple licenses for inhalation and Dow advise its use for medical inhalation in preference to their pharma grade PG (which used to be the most popular for e.g. asthma inhalers, but is now losing out to glycerine as there is no drying-out of the throat and upper lung area that some experience with PG).

E-liquid manufacturers can obtain Dow Optim in 4-gallon containers in the USA. It is not cheap - but there is no good, cheap e-liquid since this is impossible (testing is expensive, good materials are expensive, and qualified chemists are expensive to employ).

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/455394-glycerine-vapor-acrolein-issues.html

Maybe you could PM Roly and ask him if he stills knows some US sources?

 

[FastCarsAndCubanCigars]

I poked around a little and Came Across this...



http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/455394-glycerine-vapor-acrolein-issues.html

Maybe you could PM Roly and ask him if he stills knows some US sources?

Team work makes a dream work! I shall investigate! The hunt continues! You guys are great! I love it here!

 

[Geoffrey White]

If no company is found then USP VG is industry standard and will stay that way.

Are you certain everyone in the industry is using USP VG? I'm not - that's partially why I'm so interested in DIY e-liquids.

zoiDman, you have been extremely informative. Thank you very much!

Team work makes a dream work! I shall investigate! The hunt continues! You guys are great! I love it here!

Please keep me updated on your investigation/hunt for Dow Optim!

And, I have to agree - everyone here is great, and I love it here too! lol

 

[FastCarsAndCubanCigars]

Are you certain everyone in the industry is using USP VG? I'm not - that's partially why I'm so interested in DIY e-liquids.

zoiDman, you have been extremely informative. Thank you very much!



Please keep me updated on your investigation/hunt for Dow Optim!

And, I have to agree - everyone here is great, and I love it here too! lol

Well from all the vendors I've come across they say they are using VG so I just assumed the bulk of the industry is using it. I could be wrong though.