E-Packet deliveries from China will cost a lot more in shipping soon

[bombastinator]

Any increase in revenue over some tiny slice of nothing that USPS currently gets from the Chinese market is a good thing for USPS ..

I'm taking about a Warehouse that ships goods in stock .. to my knowledge, UPS / FedEx, etc, do not run Mail Order operations ..

It’s specifically about running warehouses in airports. This is where all of for profit shippers make their money. Usps is banned from doing it.

 

[zoiDman]

I believe @Uncle Willie already drastically refuted that point.

My issue with the whole thing is not that fixing the postal treaty is not a good idea. It is that it was already an idea before 2017. The reason it was not enacted was it hurts American businesses abroad just as it hurts Chinese ones. This is not about saving American businesses, though it may turn out to do that for some of them. It’s about the president’s fight to kill amazon and in this case also American exporting companies in general because Bezos and he don’t get along

For someone who Complained that people were getting too Political, how would you Rate your Own Post?

 

[bombastinator]

For someone who Complained that people were getting too Political, how would you Rate your Own Post?

I rate it a solid “giving up and joining in because the other side seems to be ignoring the rule and no one is stopping it so the hell with it”

 

[tiburonfirst]

Shipping to Countries that participate in this lop-sided, outdated "treaty" should qualify for Participation under the treaty, as I'm sure China / Hong Kong did initially .. clearly, China no longer does and it's China that's the issue ..

yes, china and a few others should be taken out of the 'developing countries' category but instead of fixing a few hiccups the plan is to leave altogether which means hand-off fees to 193 countries need to be renegotiated!

 

[Uncle Willie]

yes, china and a few others should be taken out of the 'developing countries' category but instead of fixing a few hiccups the plan is to leave altogether which means hand-off fees to 193 countries need to be renegotiated!

I myself won't purport to know the final outcome of the Treaty / Agreement until the final decision is set in Stone .. it's my understanding it takes a year to withdraw and there is no indication that I have seen that would prohibit re-negotiating the list of Member Countries .. my point is, I'm not necessarily against said Treaty, I simply believe that, if a Country no longer qualifies under the definition, then, it should no longer be allowed to reap the benefit ..

 

[zoiDman]

I rate it a solid “giving up and joining in because the other side seems to be ignoring the rule and no one is stopping it so the hell with it”

Fair Enough. LOL.

 

[Uncle Willie]

This is not about saving American businesses, though it may turn out to do that for some of them. It’s about the president’s fight to kill amazon and in this case also American exporting companies in general because Bezos and he don’t get along

How so .. ?? It seems to me, this would / could benefit Amazon .. Chinese Sellers ship a container of widgets to Amazon for order fulfilment thru Amazon, thus having direct from the USA shipping costs .. some China companies do it already ..

In fact, if you look at China companies such as Monoprice, they have located their own USA based distribution in order to still offer good prices, yet do it right here ..

 

[papergoblin]

And againpolitical. But I’ll bite just this once because it is already completely out of hand. Private industry TRIED TO COMPETE WITH THE POST OFFICE AND FAILED MISERABLY. the government stepped in and protected FedEx and UPS by banning them from the single most profitable delivery system: at airport shipping, which is the only thing they do now.

While I get your point about political, somethings are on that line, just like the FDA stuff. Personally as long as it's not a left vs right vs what ever, and stays on point (mostly, lol) I don't see it as a issue. It can go from a gray to black area very quickly though, lol.

 

[United States]

Are you trolling or do you actually believe that? USPS isn't subsidized by taxpayer money.
You'll find that would be illegal...

Trolling? Really? By asking a question?

 

[leftyandsparky]

Just got a e-packet from FT and I just noticed on the label
That reads, For commercial items only if known,HS
Tariffnumber and country of origins of goods.

Also I had to sign for it.

 

[dom qp]

Edit: Nevermind.

Taking a sip of the kool-aid.

Praise MAGA

 

[VHRB2014]

It comes from the forum rules. Political arguments are not allowed and trust me, it was about to get quite political.

Not the biggest problem by any means. But again, politics is not allowed.

vaping IS political, its impossible to seperate the two.

And not being able to discuss the potus is flat out un American. If you dont like him thats your problem. This very topic being discussed is a direct result of potus action, how the hell do you separate that?

 

[untar]

If you ask me, what's happening now isn't a solution to the problem but some show put on to appear to be doing something.
Don't you have some kind of elections next month or so?

Trolling? Really? By asking a question?

I also just asked a question. Everybody can play that game

 

[bombastinator]

How so .. ?? It seems to me, this would / could benefit Amazon .. Chinese Sellers ship a container of widgets to Amazon for order fulfilment thru Amazon, thus having direct from the USA shipping costs .. some China companies do it already ..

In fact, if you look at China companies such as Monoprice, they have located their own USA based distribution in order to still offer good prices, yet do it right here ..

I myself won't purport to know the final outcome of the Treaty / Agreement until the final decision is set in Stone .. it's my understanding it takes a year to withdraw and there is no indication that I have seen that would prohibit re-negotiating the list of Member Countries .. my point is, I'm not necessarily against said Treaty, I simply believe that, if a Country no longer qualifies under the definition, then, it should no longer be allowed to reap the benefit ..

amazon is trying to expand into china and is doing fairly well in manchuria

 

[bombastinator]

While I get your point about political, somethings are on that line, just like the FDA stuff. Personally as long as it's not a left vs right vs what ever, and stays on point (mostly, lol) I don't see it as a issue. It can go from a gray to black area very quickly though, lol.

I myself won't purport to know the final outcome of the Treaty / Agreement until the final decision is set in Stone .. it's my understanding it takes a year to withdraw and there is no indication that I have seen that would prohibit re-negotiating the list of Member Countries .. my point is, I'm not necessarily against said Treaty, I simply believe that, if a Country no longer qualifies under the definition, then, it should no longer be allowed to reap the benefit ..

it seems to me to be mostly a game of keeping the black stuff in the right light so it looks grey. thats not how rules work. do it or dont.

 

[VHRB2014]

Nvmd.

 

[bombastinator]

Vaping IS political, its impossible to seperate the two.

And not being able to discuss the potus is flat out un American. If you dont like him thats your problem. This very topic being discussed is a direct result of potus action, how the hell do you separate that?

I myself won't purport to know the final outcome of the Treaty / Agreement until the final decision is set in Stone .. it's my understanding it takes a year to withdraw and there is no indication that I have seen that would prohibit re-negotiating the list of Member Countries .. my point is, I'm not necessarily against said Treaty, I simply believe that, if a Country no longer qualifies under the definition, then, it should no longer be allowed to reap the benefit ..

well since everyone was ignoring the rules anyway i quit doing it too. As to why the rule is there, if it wasn't this place would commonly devolve into a long running political battle between right and left when its supposed to be about keeping people alive. I will not have that fact leveraged to spread propaganda though. When I have challenged various propaganda posts in the past the opposition has always claimed "take it outside" so i did the same. its not working this time though so perforce i have to go back to challenging

 

[Letitia]

So this started out as an interesting discussion, now it's not.

 

[bombastinator]

No, I think you were insisting just the mention of Donald Trump's name is somehow political, amd I was offended by the arrogance you displayed in asserting that.

that's nice. it would have more value if that wasn't exactly what the right wingers did here when Obama was president.
Donald trump is a fairly special case. As he says himself he is not a normal president. I'm sure i would "offend" you much more deeply were i to go into the details of why in each instance.

 

[bombastinator]

So this started out as an interesting discussion, now it's not.

and herein lies the problem of politics on a vaping forum.

so lets summarize the non political:

The cost of shipping from china may or may not be changing, possibly in as much as a year. This will affect how vape companies source their products and possibly in general gain some customers, as well as the price of vapor products in general.

 

[Letitia]

and herein lies the problem of politics on a vaping forum.

so lets summarize the non political:

The cost of shipping from china may or may not be changing, possibly in as much as a year. This will affect how vape companies source their products and possibly in general gain some customers, as well as the price of vapor products in general.

Not the politics that bothers me, it's the arguments about the politics being mentioned.