ECig Bans and Classification Of

[Navy20]

What is with all the Bans on e-cigs and the classification of e-cigs as a tobacco product?
Okay . . . I hear the politicians want to keep them out of the hands of those under 18 years of age. I started smoking when I was 16 and was not of legal smoking age. Has the Federal government or any State government attempted to ban cigarettes from the public. Do the politicians truly believe that e-cigs will lead kids to cigarettes? I wonder . . . Does the flavored alcoholic beverages lead kids to drink? Are these beverages banned from public sale or use . . . God knows that if you want it . . . There is a way to get it, whatever it may be.
What might be next . . . I get sent to prison because I have a copy of the Holy Bible in my home?

 

[DJLEC]

What is with all the Bans on e-cigs and the classification of e-cigs as a tobacco product?
Okay . . . I hear the politicians want to keep them out of the hands of those under 18 years of age. I started smoking when I was 16 and was not of legal smoking age. Has the Federal government or any State government attempted to ban cigarettes from the public. Do the politicians truly believe that e-cigs will lead kids to cigarettes? I wonder . . . Does the flavored alcoholic beverages lead kids to drink? Are these beverages banned from public sale or use . . . God knows that if you want it . . . There is a way to get it, whatever it may be.
What might be next . . . I get sent to prison because I have a copy of the Holy Bible in my home?

Your Bolded comment above just blows my mind also while these Uninformed Politicians are running wild to see which State can make the biggest impact or news towards vaping.

I am to the point of believing that someone should launch a Class Action Lawsuit due to Discrimination.

 

[2coils]

OP, good for you and thanks for noticing. Too many people still have their head in the sand. Hang around these forums a lot as there is much to learn, and great conversation too. As a concerned consumer, if I may direct you to the CASAA website, here you will updated on most of the upcoming legislation on e-cigs. Wouldn't hurt to join either! Thanks for posting
CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
Become a CASAA Member

 

[DC2]

What is with all the Bans on e-cigs and the classification of e-cigs as a tobacco product?
Okay . . . I hear the politicians want to keep them out of the hands of those under 18 years of age. I started smoking when I was 16 and was not of legal smoking age. Has the Federal government or any State government attempted to ban cigarettes from the public. Do the politicians truly believe that e-cigs will lead kids to cigarettes? I wonder . . . Does the flavored alcoholic beverages lead kids to drink? Are these beverages banned from public sale or use . . . God knows that if you want it . . . There is a way to get it, whatever it may be.
What might be next . . . I get sent to prison because I have a copy of the Holy Bible in my home?

If you want to know what is going on here is a good place to start...
FORCES International - News Portal

And here are some articles...
A Tool to Quit Smoking Has Some Unlikely Critics - New York Times
How Health Regulators Are Killing American Smokers - Forbes
Now the FDA Is Trying to Kill Smokers | Fox News

And here is some background on the kind of people that we are up against...
E-cigarettes: no smoke without ire | Lionel Shriver | Comment is free | The Guardian
Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger

 

[Navy20]

I became a member of CASAA yesterday.
I smoked for 45 years.
I have been cigarette free now for 9 months . . . thanks to e-cigs.
I tried it all . . . Cold Turkey, Nicotine Patch, Nicotine Gum, Nicotine Lozenges, Wellbutrin, Chantix.
None of these worked, at least not for me. I was wearing a patch, chewing the gum and popping Chantix all at the same time.
Damn wonder I didn't kill myself.
Perhaps I wasn't ready psychologically to quit.
What I know for certain is that with e-cigs I did quit.
I have to ask myself these questions . . . Of all the politicians that vote to ban e-cigs, how many of them smoke cigarettes, cigars, pipes, or chew tobacco? In passing these bans, do the law(s) apply to "ALL" or are the politicians "EXEMPT" as is usually the case.
Want to do good for the people as a whole . . . Then leave my damn e-cig alone!!!

 

[stevegmu]

What are these bans people keep speaking of? I am yet to read about any actual, outright bans in the US, just prohibitions on usage in certain areas...

 

[Pickleskunk]

What are these bans people keep speaking of? I am yet to read about any actual, outright bans in the US, just prohibitions on usage in certain areas...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-ban-sale-possession-e-cigarettes-adults.html

 

[stevegmu]

Pretty sure that hasn't passed. Proposed legislation doesn't = a ban...

 

[2coils]

What are these bans people keep speaking of? I am yet to read about any actual, outright bans in the US, just prohibitions on usage in certain areas...

Prohibitions on usage is a good place for politicians to start. Surely you can't be for the BAN in public places even some outdoors in NYC. I know for one I am not a fan of being stigmatized as a "dirty no good smoker", which is happening bit by bit. The Calls to Action are rolling in fast in 2014. Prohibition of usage in just one facet.

Rothenbj said it best though I understand not everyone will agree....
They've been building walls slowly ever since the first SG Report. They tried in '09 to build it all at once. Now they'll use the plan that's worked with cigarettes. A few bricks here and there each day and, in no time at all, you'll get where you wanted to be in the first place. An indoor smoking ban here, a sales ban there, adult ID check somewhere else, some sin takes over there. Fill in the gaps and they eventually get what they want, it just takes time.

rothenbj, I hope you don't mind being quoted!

 

[AgentAnia]

What are these bans people keep speaking of? I am yet to read about any actual, outright bans in the US, just prohibitions on usage in certain areas...

noun: ban; plural noun: bans

1. an official or legal prohibition.
"a proposed ban on cigarette advertising"
synonyms: prohibition, veto, proscription, embargo, bar, suppression, stoppage, interdict, interdiction, moratorium, injunction

I am banned (prohibited) from vaping in any government building in my city. I am also banned from vaping in most, if not all, of the restaurants and bars in my city.

 

[stevegmu]

Prohibitions on usage is a good place for politicians to start. Surely you can't be for the BAN in public places even some outdoors in NYC. I know for one I am not a fan of being stigmatized as a "dirty no good smoker", which is happening bit by bit. The Calls to Action are rolling in fast in 2014. Prohibition of usage in just one facet.

Rothenbj said it best though I understand not everyone will agree....
They've been building walls slowly ever since the first SG Report. They tried in '09 to build it all at once. Now they'll use the plan that's worked with cigarettes. A few bricks here and there each day and, in now time at all, you'll get where you wanyed to be in the first place. An indoor smoking ban here, a sales ban there, adult ID check somewhere else, some sin takes oxerthere. Fill in the gaps and they eventually get what they want, it just takes time.

rothenbj, I hope you don't mind being quoted!

Doesn't make a difference to me. If I am vaping in public where it isn't allowed, no one will know.

I am banned (prohibited) from vaping in any government building in my city. I am also banned from vaping in most, if not all, of the restaurants and bars in my city.

By banned, I obviously mean like Japan and Singapore.

 

[rothenbj]

Prohibitions on usage is a good place for politicians to start. Surely you can't be for the BAN in public places even some outdoors in NYC. I know for one I am not a fan of being stigmatized as a "dirty no good smoker", which is happening bit by bit. The Calls to Action are rolling in fast in 2014. Prohibition of usage in just one facet.

Rothenbj said it best though I understand not everyone will agree....
They've been building walls slowly ever since the first SG Report. They tried in '09 to build it all at once. Now they'll use the plan that's worked with cigarettes. A few bricks here and there each day and, in no time at all, you'll get where you wanted to be in the first place. An indoor smoking ban here, a sales ban there, adult ID check somewhere else, some sin takes overthere. Fill in the gaps and they eventually get what they want, it just takes time.

rothenbj, I hope you don't mind being quoted!

Sure, as long as you use my PC edit of my original smartphone version.

 

[OCD]

I became a member of CASAA yesterday.
I smoked for 45 years.
I have been cigarette free now for 9 months . . . thanks to e-cigs.
I tried it all . . . Cold Turkey, Nicotine Patch, Nicotine Gum, Nicotine Lozenges, Wellbutrin, Chantix.
None of these worked, at least not for me. I was wearing a patch, chewing the gum and popping Chantix all at the same time.
Damn wonder I didn't kill myself.
Perhaps I wasn't ready psychologically to quit.
What I know for certain is that with e-cigs I did quit.
I have to ask myself these questions . . . Of all the politicians that vote to ban e-cigs, how many of them smoke cigarettes, cigars, pipes, or chew tobacco? In passing these bans, do the law(s) apply to "ALL" or are the politicians "EXEMPT" as is usually the case.
Want to do good for the people as a whole . . . Then leave my damn e-cig alone!!!

Navy, the thing is none of those things can replicate the habit without the harm. The key word here is quit, I dont feel as vapers that we quit anything we simply take away the harm of many chemicals that have been proven to be dangerous to us. I call it switching, I never quit the old habit I just switched it for something that I feel is better for me, I call it pretending to smoke and it is about as comparable to smoking as the candy cigarettes I had as a kid, the only thing different is I exhale a vapor that looks like smoke. Hell if they could have done that then it would have been the biggest product on the market.

The problem is that the majority of the voting public doesnt have a dog in the fight. If this had come to light when the original invention of the ecig happened and 50% of the population was smokers there might be a bit more support. Now the US is at about 20% of the population smoking and the two industries that serve them are tobacco and quitting tobacco, both have a large stake in seeing that smoking proper continues, the whole pretending to smoke crowd is costing them a lot of money. Add in on top of that the lobby dollars and tax dollars our representatives (hmmm, that word doesnt sound quite right) are losing out on and the deck is stacked against us.

Like it or not we are not only a minority but a fraction of one, this is why it is so important for anyone who does have a dog in the fight to educate themselves so that they may educate others. When you see those links posted read them, print them out and share them if you can and keep on pushing for your right to drink coffee with caffeine in it if you as an adult in the US choose to or consume nicotine in a manner that has no more effect on the next person than that cup of coffee.

If we fail then watch out for you coffee next.

 

[DC2]

By banned, I obviously mean like Japan and Singapore.

By banned, most of the rest of us don't mean that.
Why would you want to focus on that meaning when it isn't really an issue?

 

[DC2]

If we fail then watch out for you coffee next.

I'm pretty sure obesity is on the list well before caffeine, but yeah...

 

[Talyon]

Let's not forget the big ban a few years back, in which the FDA lied about the contents of eLiquid etc etc. many lost big time.

Ban, Retriction can be all the same, let's focus people.

No need to FUD, or downplay. We are on it up to our ears, so let's get it together and beat them again.

 

[Talyon]

Doesn't make a difference to me. If I am vaping in public where it isn't allowed, no one will know.



By banned, I obviously mean like Japan and Singapore.

Perhaps some like me don't want to be a criminal. Sheesh!

 

[rothenbj]

I'm pretty sure obesity is on the list well before caffeine, but yeah...

Yeah, they haven't developed the caffeine pill yet, but they have diet pills to peddle.

 

[kristin]

The key word here is quit, I dont feel as vapers that we quit anything we simply take away the harm of many chemicals that have been proven to be dangerous to us. I call it switching, I never quit the old habit I just switched it for something that I feel is better for me,

I think this viewpoint is a huge mistake. This is exactly what the ANTZ want the rest of the public to think. "E-cigarettes are bad because they haven't REALLY quit."

But the second part of your statement directly contradicts the first. We haven't quit "anything" but we "took away" all of the dangerous chemicals. So we HAVE quit something - the most important something!

Let's think this through.

Why do they want us to quit the nicotine and "habit?" Is it because nicotine causes smoking-related diseases? No, it's the OTHER chemicals in smoke that causes those.

So, why quit nicotine? Because it is a reason why people keep exposing themselves to smoke.

The end goal is supposed to be getting people to quit inhaling SMOKE. It's not about nicotine. It's not about addiction. It's not about having a habit.

If you are using nicotine without actually smoking, even "pretending" to smoke, then you HAVE met that goal. You have quit SMOKING.

The idea that ending nicotine dependency is the ultimate goal we should all expect is made up by the ANTZ to control behavior. An "addiction" with little to no health risks is not really an "addiction" as most people think of addiction. It's mearly a habit or dependency like caffeine or nail-biting.

Now, if someone has a personal goal to quit nicotine then that's their decision. But that goal should not be an expectation for all nicotine and tobacco users who have already quit smoking.

Please don't support the ANTZ lie that vapers who have completely switched "haven't really quit smoking." We absolutely have.

The public needs to understand that switching IS quitting.

 

[pamdis]

I'm pretty sure obesity is on the list well before caffeine, but yeah...

Not only is it on the list, they are all 'taking lessons from tobacco control'. Google 'obseity tobacco control', and it's astounding.

Edit: This makes me want to both laugh and cry:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13504851.2012.683165#.Ut1JDvTnac8

Abstract:
Although several studies of highly developed countries find tobacco control efforts impact obesity rates, whether such results extend to less developed countries is unclear. Accordingly, this study re-examines this issue by using data from countries that lie across the development spectrum. Similar to the existing literature, evidence suggests higher cigarette prices increase the per cent of the population that is overweight or obese. Yet, other tobacco control efforts have less influence. A number of other factors, including health-care expenditure, urban concentration and undernourishment, are also found to influence population weight.

So, tobacco control measures increase obesity rates. Now they want to fight obesity using tobacco control tactics. I wonder what unintended consequences sugar control will have that they will then be targeting in the next decade?