Ecigs becoming something diff than quitting tools?

[martha1014]

Personally I don't care what it looks like as long as it performs good. I use the Little Chuck and its about 3 1/2 inches long and weighs 4.1 oz. I used a 510 which looks more like a cigarettes but once you get use to the heavier and bigger ones you don't notice the difference. Really the 510 feels like a needle in my hand. If they could make a smaller ecig with the same power of a mod. then good for them and us. But until they do I will be vaping on a more powerful one.

Neither did I intended on quitting cigarettes when I switched to ecigs. Because of health reasons I needed to quit smoking. The ecig now satisfied my smoking addiction.

 

[Valkerie]

You know, I remember that the whole point of e-cigs, or the supposed point was to get smokers to quit by using an e-cig.

I did quit smoking - real cigarettes. However, they were developed (I've heard) by an engineer, who was tired of having to comply with smoking bans. They were engineered for light, occasional use. They are marketed, however to sell the most amount of product.

But I see as time goes on, development is aimed towards creating huge contraptions and all kinds of crazy devices. Instead of trying to work towards mimicking a real cigarette in size and feel, it seems to be going in a different direction. I hope that the new ecigs that come out do not have batteries the size of a computer monitor, and that companies start working towards creating an e-cig that better emulates what a real cigarette feels like and looks like...

You're talking about creating a new battery type. E-cigs that look like cigarettes are pushing the use of existing technology to the breaking point. Which is why batteries give up the ghost so often. They are used much more frequently than they are designed to be used. The most efficient existing batteries won't be found in something that looks and feels like a real ciggy. Not without raising the cost to something astronomical.

in order to be more effective as a quit smoking tool rather than forming an entirely new genre/addiction.

I never wanted to quit smoking, although it was a side effect of vaping. I was looking for cigarette coupons when I stumbled across e-cigs. For me, it's an alternative to smoking that's cheaper. And, I haven't had a real cigarette since my first two weeks of vaping.

I'm already addicted to nicotine via tobacco, so I've switched to something that, in my opinion, is less harmful. It's not a new addiction, it a modification of an old one.

 

[VapingRulz]

I don't think that the marketing approach for the mall kiosks is for smoking cessation at all. SmokeEverywhere (Anywhere?) is clearly aimed at smokers who are frustrated with the increasingly restrictive smoking bans. Not to quit, per se, but to be able to "smoke" without a hassle.

I did not start using my Vapor King with an eye to quitting. I simply wanted to cut down and not smell like a chimney. It worked. Today I smelled distinctly of delicious macaroons! (Amaretto) Much better, and I haven't smoked since I started vaping.

It's an unintended consequence, and a welcome one at that.

 

[edgewise]

lol, I actually hadn't smoked regularly for over a decade before I started vaping. I was still addicted to nicotine though (dipped for years and then about 2 years ago started just chewing nicorette). I saw a forum post at somethingawful.com about these and decided, wtf, why not? Now I vape nearly exclusively as a nicotine delivery system. More fun and cheaper than Nicorette (about $65/month).

 

[thewomenfolk]

I want a PV that doesn't look like a cigarette. I hate cigarettes and what they do to people. Sooner or later, everyone will agree.

Of course the PV's are quit-smoking devices. What else does 'alternative' to smoking mean anyway? But of course they're also 'do this too' devices, meaning that some like their PV's and a few ciggy's on the side too. Sure beats 100% ciggys. Those that still dabble in cigarettes probably just haven't suffered enough from them yet. If they've discovered PV's, they likely won't ever have to.

I like my little Joye 510, but not because it looks like a cigarette, but because it works consistently and is very small. I've ordered a small Super T just because it's small, well built, and has safety features. I've got two Janty Sticks because I like them so much. I like the way they don't look like a cigarette. I hate cigarettes (or did I say that already).

Like so many other things in life, whether someone likes the size and shape of a particular PV is just personal preference. Personally, I like them small and powerful (lots of vapor and battery time). Interesting topic. Variety is the spice of life.

 

[searcher]

I wonder how many people started vaping to quit nicotine. I know I didn't. I am glad that Littlebrown.com (my source for smoking supplies) started selling ecigs. I was checking tobacco prices and saw them on their website and a quick search brought me here (Thank God for that miracle. I truly believe that this site saved my life). I ordered the Joye 510 and have not had an analog in two months now. I built a nicostick and that is now my primary pv. The analog look-a-likes I only use for go-to-meetings now. I also let my brother use the 510. He ordered ecigs the same week. He wasn't able to quit analogs but he is down to 8-10 a day from a habit of 3 packs a day. His wife (who quit smoking last year) sent me a thank you card.

 

[paladinx]

I dont know where to begin to respond, A lot of people wrote different things. I am not an anti cigarette, cig hater, I would be kind of a hypocrite, because if it weren't for cigs, probably 3/4ths of us wouldnt be here in the first place. I think a majority of people wanted to quit smoking without having to really quit. Just to find a safer substitute to have your cake and eat it too, so to speak.

If you are going to argue about intentions of companies and all that other crap, If they are not directly saying e-cigs are meant to help people quit smoking, they are saying what they have to , to legally cover their .... If that means saying Smoke an ecig where u cant smoke cigs, than imply up and down how much SAFER and BETTER they are, its kind of common sense. The intent is to get cigarette smokers over to e-cigarettes. Its a product designed to replicate smoking tobacco. And it is aimed towards smokers to switch to a safer habit. And I have seen companies directly say "quit smoking with ecigs today" MANY TIMES.

But its kind of irrelvant anyway. All i am really trying to say is that i hope the battery technology improves one day. And that the functionality we get from the huge mods can be made into smaller devices. I think it would be cooler. and I just hope someone out there is working on it.

 

[paladinx]

Oh yeah and my other question is. Are these ecigs really that effective in getting people to quit? I will be honest with everyone. The only success stories I know about are from online and this forum. Every person I know in real life who has bought an ecig to try and quit smoking has failed miserably. My cousin, my cousins dad, My neighbor. two other people I know, my uncle and also myself. Not one person out of this group managed to really quit smoking using these gizmos. But than i log on here and it seems like every single person is having success. So i keep going back and trying being convinced reading everyone having so much success. But i find myself puffing on this thing completely unsatisifed and just want a real damn cigarette. What the hell am i doing wrong?

 

[cr12]

have you tried a vapor king by vapor 4 life? ive said this in a couple other threads but it definitely worked for me former smoker/copenhagen user. so my nic needs when i came to vaping were unattainable i just stuck through and i even started at 11mg. now im at 18 and its easier, just give it time, i dont intend to quit immediately. timing is everything with quitting.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

But its kind of irrelvant anyway. All i am really trying to say is that i hope the battery technology improves one day. And that the functionality we get from the huge mods can be made into smaller devices. I think it would be cooler. and I just hope someone out there is working on it.

Yeah but that goes for everything battery powered... like for BPcars for instance they are working on smaller battery packs for longer distance and more power...look at the tesla

as far as ecigs looking like ecigs and improving on them.....they(china) are and continue to try hence the different models out there 801,901.510.4081.103 etc etc.

yes for people who wanna quit they look for the small cig looking ones I know I have....but after awhile they want better quallity and you can't get that with a tiny batt/circuit(for now) yet..... yes and they have been working with mods being smaller and smaller... but until a 1000mah li-ion comes out that is the size of a watch batt...it won't get too much smaller in the short time that you may be expecting

my 2 yen worth

 

[Pyrate]

The only success stories I know about are from online and this forum. Every person I know in real life who has bought an ecig to try and quit smoking has failed miserably.

Same here. Everyone I have met in person that has said they have tried an e-cig has failed and is still smoking analogs.
However, when I ask them what brand/model they tried, every single one of them replies "Smoking Everywhere Gold".

I think that you find more success stories here because we have all taken the responsibility to educate ourselves and learn all we can about these devices and how they work.
Most others try the SE Gold, find it sucks and just go back to analogs without trying to find out if there is anything better.
I believe that the people here have succeeded because we are determined to quit smoking and actually make an effort to do so.

 

[LadyPamela]

but also gives me a feeling of well-being, rather than fighting constantly with depression, over-eating, and panic that accompanies most people with addiction-prone tendencies without having to resort to pharmaceutical remedies. Responsible Nicotine use is far safer in my opinion than any meds.

I agree with people being addiction-prone. My parents were both alcoholics and smokers and I KNOW that I am way too vulnerable to addictions. I got into the "habit" of having a drink after work then one day I was out of rum for my pepsi and I WANTED it. Oh heck no! I stopped having a regular drink.

I didn't want to quit smoking either but I don't want to die of it like my mother did of lung cancer at the age of 66. I may have traded one addiction for another but I feel a whole lot better about it.

 

[Mustang394]

Oh yeah and my other question is. Are these ecigs really that effective in getting people to quit? I will be honest with everyone. The only success stories I know about are from online and this forum. Every person I know in real life who has bought an ecig to try and quit smoking has failed miserably. My cousin, my cousins dad, My neighbor. two other people I know, my uncle and also myself. Not one person out of this group managed to really quit smoking using these gizmos. But than i log on here and it seems like every single person is having success. So i keep going back and trying being convinced reading everyone having so much success. But i find myself puffing on this thing completely unsatisfied and just want a real damn cigarette. What the hell am i doing wrong?

I don't know anyone who has quit using these other than myself, but it wasn't easy and still isn't, I have friends who smoke and it is hard not to ask them for one.

But I wanted to quit smoking before I found out about these, and that I think has helped, if there are cigs in the house I will smoke them, so my answer is to just not buy them. The urge to smoke goes away after a bit and I'm sure will become less and less as more time goes by.

Phrase how ever you want most people started vaping to quit smoking, before I heard about e-cigs I wanted to quit smoking, thought of just looking for a safer nicotine supply never entered my mind.

I actually quit smoking for over a year once with the help of the patch, but it was the long term act of smoking that finally got me smoking again, my nicotine addiction had long since disappeared.

I feel like I just gave up one habit for another albeit hopefully safer one.

I'm not sure how much more like I cig they could get with our burning tobacco in them and still be effective though.

 

[Valkerie]

Oh yeah and my other question is. Are these ecigs really that effective in getting people to quit? I will be honest with everyone. The only success stories I know about are from online and this forum. Every person I know in real life who has bought an ecig to try and quit smoking has failed miserably. My cousin, my cousins dad, My neighbor. two other people I know, my uncle and also myself. Not one person out of this group managed to really quit smoking using these gizmos. But than i log on here and it seems like every single person is having success. So i keep going back and trying being convinced reading everyone having so much success. But i find myself puffing on this thing completely unsatisifed and just want a real damn cigarette. What the hell am i doing wrong?

You're not doing anything wrong.

There are many threads here about the other chemicals in cigarettes and how people are addicted to them. Using snus or the patch and e-cigs combined seemed to have helped many people, but you are not the only one struggling.

I had constant cravings until I upped my nic levels. Because I smoked lights, I thought I could vape medium to low juice.

Hah!

I start the mornings with a hit of 36mg. And level out between 18-24 during the day. Until I figured this out, it was a struggle every day.

You need to be aware that you are taking in less nicotine vaping.

I think DVap charted out the different levels of addiction in the Nicotine forum (under Health,) and there are threads there about people who are struggling, much as you are, to transition completely onto e-cigs.

I quit completely. Mom is down to 1/2 the amount of real cigs she used to smoke. Husband refuses to touch it after initial two puffs off mine.

So no, there are a ton of stories here about people not being able to quit completely. But there are also threads here dedicated to figuring out why.

 

[Deschain]

Oh yeah and my other question is. Are these ecigs really that effective in getting people to quit? I will be honest with everyone. The only success stories I know about are from online and this forum. Every person I know in real life who has bought an ecig to try and quit smoking has failed miserably. My cousin, my cousins dad, My neighbor. two other people I know, my uncle and also myself. Not one person out of this group managed to really quit smoking using these gizmos. But than i log on here and it seems like every single person is having success. So i keep going back and trying being convinced reading everyone having so much success. But i find myself puffing on this thing completely unsatisifed and just want a real damn cigarette. What the hell am i doing wrong?

I think that the people come here and manage to quit smoking do so for two reasons...

1: Excellent support system, lot's of encouragement and no judgement if people don't make the transition.

2: The sheer wealth of info...if I'd just bought an "e-cig" without doing a bit of research here, I wouldn't have the model I have now, and I wouldn't be getting the best out of it.

Those are my own thoughts on it anyway...I hope you can make some progress for yourself...it doesn't have to be "an instant transition"


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[shasta]

I don't want to quit. Never did. I did finally wake up to the fact that cigarettes were going to kill me or make me very ill.

I feel the same way. I love smoking, but I work in healthcare and know the long-term effects very well. If you don't get cancer, you will eventually get COPD/emphysema. Everyday, I see physicicans write discharge orders that say, "STOP SMOKING!"

 

[shasta]

Same here. Everyone I have met in person that has said they have tried an e-cig has failed and is still smoking analogs.

This week, I have told 2 friends that I ordered an e-cig. One told me that they caused blisters in the back of her throat 8-o and the other said that they bought one at the mall and they don't work.

But, I have another friend that ordered one from NHaler and she loves it! She's actually the one that told me about e-cigs! I had never heard of them, so I went on a quest to find out about them! I started with You Tube and then found this forum! My first 2 starter kits are on the way!

 

[paladinx]

Geez blisters??

" However, when I ask them what brand/model they tried, every single one of them replies "Smoking Everywhere Gold". "

Over here it is mostly smoke51 brand. One of leafords favorite e-cigs lol.


I have been reading this forum for awhile. Research I feel only goes so far. I still have no idea whatsoever how much nicotine these things are giving us. I read about people saying its more, and they get NIcotine OD systems. Others say you get hardly anything. There are a lot of ifs maybes and opinions. Nothing really concrete.

About finding whats right for you to quit smoking. I have no idea. I bought a Dse901 back over a year ago when they were the preferred device on the forum. Its an ok device. Just doesn't really satisfy me that much. I mean the throat hit on it is nice, the amount of vapor is usually good as well. But Now its the joye510. But a lot of people like different things. there are so many damn models out there, and there is no way for me to try them, I dont have that kind of money. each starter kit is anywhere from 40-100 or more dollars. and there seems to be over 100 models. I will never know what would work best for me if i cant try them. The only thing I can do is jump on the bandwagon and get the most recommended model the 510 and see if i have any more success on that.

But maybe i do that and the vapor king would have worked better for me, or the m403. I have no clue, Sorry for the long post. I just wish i had a few models i could try just to see what i like without having to spend 100s.

 

[Deschain]

Mate, this has probably been suggested to you loads of times...but have you considered a high voltage battery mod? They aren't that much more expensive than adding "another" generic starter kit to your pile.

Also curious to know what strength juice you are using?


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[Osculum]

Nope. I quit smoking. Why would I want my PV to look like a cigarette? I also do not go to smoke pits or sit in smoking sections at restaurants anymore either. Why would you want them to continue to look like cigarettes? You are trying to break that habit, no?

As far as I'm concerned, the less they look like cigarettes the better.

That is great, and I am glad you are happy with it. I just do not think that designs like that are going to appeal to most current smokers. It does not appeal to me. What would appeal to me and a lot of my friends who are cigarette smokers are devices that are geared towards feeling and functioning as close to a real cigarette as possible. I think that better more efficient smaller batteries should be developed, Not just bigger and more gaudy contraptions.

There is a lot to cigarette addiction besides ingesting nicotine. These e-cigs do not give you the same type of chemicals or nicotine delivery that cigarettes do. I dont feel as satisfied when I use my e cig. So it falls short chemically.
on top of that a big part of cigarette addiction is the habit side. The feel of the cigarette the manner in which it smokes the way you in hale it. If you are going to market a tool as a quit smoking device, it should be aimed towards replicating all these things to be more successful.

I am sure if you had an option of a device the size of a flashlight. Or a device that worked just as well that looked and felt like a real cigarette, you would pick the later no?