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Just a couple more things...there is a learning curve and it's a commitment I think. I did not like my Greensmoke starter kit (I had not found this forum) but was so psyched I'd been able to avoid an analog for 2 weeks...I quickly ordered the 510 out of paranoia that the Greensmokes would die (and they did) and I would have to go back...
I have to say that I had to up the nicotine level to avoid constantly (and I mean constantly) vaping and there was alot of anxiety until I did that...I now know when I'm "satisfied"...
I thought I wanted an e-cigg to look like an e-cigg...not.
Thought I'd never drip...not.
Thought I'd never use one of those battery mods...not.
Try cignot for a 510 starter kit (good price for two) with extra 510 attys, then use those attys with a "Lil Chuck" maybe? Better hit vapor and batt life...small enuff to hide in your hand...
Definitely some higher nic juice, I alternate between 24mg when more constant vaping and a few pulls of 36mg occasionally...
Rarely but happens the thought of lighting on fire a coffin stick and pulling burning hot smoke enters my mind...makes me mad now...I hit the PV and I'm good!
Best to ya, enjoy the journey...a "Lil Chuck" maybe...further down the road?
I have to say that I had to up the nicotine level to avoid constantly (and I mean constantly) vaping and there was alot of anxiety until I did that...I now know when I'm "satisfied"...
I thought I wanted an e-cigg to look like an e-cigg...not.
Thought I'd never drip...not.
Thought I'd never use one of those battery mods...not.
Try cignot for a 510 starter kit (good price for two) with extra 510 attys, then use those attys with a "Lil Chuck" maybe? Better hit vapor and batt life...small enuff to hide in your hand...
Definitely some higher nic juice, I alternate between 24mg when more constant vaping and a few pulls of 36mg occasionally...
Rarely but happens the thought of lighting on fire a coffin stick and pulling burning hot smoke enters my mind...makes me mad now...I hit the PV and I'm good!
Best to ya, enjoy the journey...a "Lil Chuck" maybe...further down the road?
To be totally honest, my intentions were to give up smoking (and nicotine) entirely. When I started vaping two months ago, I was using 18mg and 24mg nicotine strengths. I now vape with 6mg, and hope to cut that down to 0mg in the next month or two. The final step would be to stop using my 510 entirely. I still don't want a cigarette, but I know the vaping is just a placebo. I can't say mine is a success story until I can throw away the e-cig and all the materials. In my opinion,then, and only then can I honestly say I have stopped smoking. Just my two cents worth.
Paladinx, surely once new technology comes out, people will always have that natural desire to make it better; depending on how you define better determines how you view different peoples' designs. People making things better needs a little elbow room until things are all sorted out. I know no one wants to carry something the size of a Chuck around with them, but when they see what it can do, some decide it's better than the alternatives out there.
Of course, once people find out what works, there's always someone out there to want to make it smaller. Why? No one wants that computer monitor sized battery in their pocket. Thankfully, we're not in the 1980's still, and powerful batteries (enough to power the e-cigs) exist so we can see them as simple enough to use compared to .... logs.
Once you add a forum or way for a community to communicate with each other easily, instinct, creativity, and (sometimes) greed can drive many things. I for one, see people taking it on their own lives to work for something better a great draw to this community. But these are prototypes, or even alpha models. You don't see mods being marketed to non-vapers, but those who would find them useful. Thankfully, we have a big enough community to let modding exist, imagine if vaping was so small that modders couldn't even make enough money to pay for equipment?
But I don't ever remember thinking of e-cigs as a quitting tool. I thought of my love for nicotine and the dangers of tobacco and thought I was doomed for an abusive relationship. E-cigs were just a better solution (at least from what I believe and can reasonably speculate on). Whatever makes this solution any better and seeing others out there that are driven to do so just makes the experience that much better.
Of course, once people find out what works, there's always someone out there to want to make it smaller. Why? No one wants that computer monitor sized battery in their pocket. Thankfully, we're not in the 1980's still, and powerful batteries (enough to power the e-cigs) exist so we can see them as simple enough to use compared to .... logs.
Once you add a forum or way for a community to communicate with each other easily, instinct, creativity, and (sometimes) greed can drive many things. I for one, see people taking it on their own lives to work for something better a great draw to this community. But these are prototypes, or even alpha models. You don't see mods being marketed to non-vapers, but those who would find them useful. Thankfully, we have a big enough community to let modding exist, imagine if vaping was so small that modders couldn't even make enough money to pay for equipment?
But I don't ever remember thinking of e-cigs as a quitting tool. I thought of my love for nicotine and the dangers of tobacco and thought I was doomed for an abusive relationship. E-cigs were just a better solution (at least from what I believe and can reasonably speculate on). Whatever makes this solution any better and seeing others out there that are driven to do so just makes the experience that much better.
I take issue with your logic. E-cigarettes that look and feel more like cigarettes are more likely to perpetuate the habit! In fact,as a quitting tool, I think it would be fair to say that e-cigarettes are not the best way. Sure they keep us off analogs but we are not quitting the "habit". The whole point of an e-cigarette is that it is so similar to smoking, you don't really have to quit. You are simply switching to an alternative that does not have the known side effects of analogs. For that reason, it is simply irresponsible to promote e-cigarettes as a quitting tool.
This is not to say that one cannot utilize e-cigarettes as a quitting tool by gradually weaning yourself off the nicotine. However, e-cigarettes are the "easy way out" of quitting. You don't have to quit! Just vape instead.
Y'know, I think you have to define what you're "quitting" for you before you define the usage for a PV.
For instance, had nicotine been served to us in a nice mug, with froth on the top and choccy sprinkles, no-one would turn a hair at anyone liking or using it. Would you, then, be seeking to quit using nicotine? My guess is probably not.
However, it has been, for the last century or so, served up in a cylinder of paper, complete with some rather noxious and obnoxious fellow-travellers. So, now the question is, which do you want to quit? The nicotine or the fellow travellers? Bear in mind, nicotine is a fairly innocuous substance, on a par with caffeine.
I think people equate nicotine with cigarettes, primarily, and see the nicotine as being the bad guy. It isn't.
So, like many here, I've changed my brand - to PVs in general. I'm still enjoying nicotine, but in a manner that is, IMHO, much less dangerous to my health and the health of those around me - and I'm able to enjoy it as I used to do - indoors, in a pub, at a venue, in the mall etc etc etc.
For me, it's a win-win. Frankly, as a one-time pipe smoker, I don't really care about size (for once, I can honestly say that I believe size is not important), but I don't particularly want my vape du jour to look like a cigarette, at least not in colour.
Insofar as quitting is concerned, I have quit inhaling the stuff I don't want and continued inhaling the stuff I do want. And I get to blow "smoke" rings, french hit, kill hit and lots of other stuff that I've enjoyed for getting on for 50 years. It's all good.
There you go - my two penn'orth.
For instance, had nicotine been served to us in a nice mug, with froth on the top and choccy sprinkles, no-one would turn a hair at anyone liking or using it. Would you, then, be seeking to quit using nicotine? My guess is probably not.
However, it has been, for the last century or so, served up in a cylinder of paper, complete with some rather noxious and obnoxious fellow-travellers. So, now the question is, which do you want to quit? The nicotine or the fellow travellers? Bear in mind, nicotine is a fairly innocuous substance, on a par with caffeine.
I think people equate nicotine with cigarettes, primarily, and see the nicotine as being the bad guy. It isn't.
So, like many here, I've changed my brand - to PVs in general. I'm still enjoying nicotine, but in a manner that is, IMHO, much less dangerous to my health and the health of those around me - and I'm able to enjoy it as I used to do - indoors, in a pub, at a venue, in the mall etc etc etc.
For me, it's a win-win. Frankly, as a one-time pipe smoker, I don't really care about size (for once, I can honestly say that I believe size is not important), but I don't particularly want my vape du jour to look like a cigarette, at least not in colour.
Insofar as quitting is concerned, I have quit inhaling the stuff I don't want and continued inhaling the stuff I do want. And I get to blow "smoke" rings, french hit, kill hit and lots of other stuff that I've enjoyed for getting on for 50 years. It's all good.
There you go - my two penn'orth.
Cloud9 one question. On your website, what model e-cig is that? Is there such a model as 501? Or is it like a re branded m401 or something. Sorry I am no expert. So many models out there.
I see your point. but if you look around the forum, you see everyone with the little icons that say bla bla days smoke free. People here seem to be in a "i quit cigarettes" mindset. They are not in a mindset that they have switched brands. I do realize that the appeal of an ecig is that you can smoke and quit smoking at the same time type of deal. But I think the majority of people are using ecigs as a way to quit tobacco cigarettes, even though they are switching addictions. I have a friend who has been using nicorette gum for the past five years straight. He switched addictions too.
I see everyones point everyone is right in their own way. I just feel that a current cigarette smoker right now who is looking to buy an e-cig might find it more appealing to get something that feels more like a cigarette than otherwise. Id go out on a limb and guess that most first time buyers never get those big hefty mods as their first buy.
I see your point. but if you look around the forum, you see everyone with the little icons that say bla bla days smoke free. People here seem to be in a "i quit cigarettes" mindset. They are not in a mindset that they have switched brands. I do realize that the appeal of an ecig is that you can smoke and quit smoking at the same time type of deal. But I think the majority of people are using ecigs as a way to quit tobacco cigarettes, even though they are switching addictions. I have a friend who has been using nicorette gum for the past five years straight. He switched addictions too.
I see everyones point everyone is right in their own way. I just feel that a current cigarette smoker right now who is looking to buy an e-cig might find it more appealing to get something that feels more like a cigarette than otherwise. Id go out on a limb and guess that most first time buyers never get those big hefty mods as their first buy.
Hey Paladinx. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to answer questions about our product outside of the Suppliers Forum so I sent you a PM.
I do see what you are saying about people viewing the e-cigarette as a quitting tool. I think you are right. And you make an excellent point about first time e-cig users.
I do see what you are saying about people viewing the e-cigarette as a quitting tool. I think you are right. And you make an excellent point about first time e-cig users.
To the OP. The original reason why I started on e-cigs was to find a cost effective alternative to smoking. The price of cigs just keeps going up and I was not ready to quit. Other smoking cessation aids either did not work, or would adversely affect my medications. The only other alternative was to grow my own tobacco and smoke that.
Then I happened onto the e-cig. Initial cost was comparable to 3 cartons of cigs. The added bonus was that nearly 70% of those who vapped, quit.
Which brings me to this observation. Smoking and vapping are not "linear" activities. There is so much more than just quitting. One has to change their behavior - i.e. behavior modification, learn new coping skills to deal with stress - and pleasure can be a stressor, change our lifestyle, for some to change their addictive personalities, we must change the concept of who we are, what we are and why we are.
If a holistic approach is not taken, then the failure rate is high. Look at the failure rate with cessation meds, cold turkey, or any other method.
By trying to define e-cigs as a smoking cessation only device, only serves to put us into the same category as banning tobacco or to the extreme, religious fanatics who believe their God is the only God, and their way is the only way. To hell with the rest of the people who don't fall into that narrow path.
As for the modding - why not? I would love to have an e-cig that I didn't have to fart around with topping off, changing batts and attys, having spare parts this or that and 5,000 different juices. I would love to have something that I could just pick up and vape when and how often I wanted. And eventually, get off the nicotine completely.
I, for one, cannot undo a 31 year old habit overnight, or in someone else's time frame nor with someone else's method. I have to tailor my quitting to me because that is what will ultimately work.
Then I happened onto the e-cig. Initial cost was comparable to 3 cartons of cigs. The added bonus was that nearly 70% of those who vapped, quit.
Which brings me to this observation. Smoking and vapping are not "linear" activities. There is so much more than just quitting. One has to change their behavior - i.e. behavior modification, learn new coping skills to deal with stress - and pleasure can be a stressor, change our lifestyle, for some to change their addictive personalities, we must change the concept of who we are, what we are and why we are.
If a holistic approach is not taken, then the failure rate is high. Look at the failure rate with cessation meds, cold turkey, or any other method.
By trying to define e-cigs as a smoking cessation only device, only serves to put us into the same category as banning tobacco or to the extreme, religious fanatics who believe their God is the only God, and their way is the only way. To hell with the rest of the people who don't fall into that narrow path.
As for the modding - why not? I would love to have an e-cig that I didn't have to fart around with topping off, changing batts and attys, having spare parts this or that and 5,000 different juices. I would love to have something that I could just pick up and vape when and how often I wanted. And eventually, get off the nicotine completely.
I, for one, cannot undo a 31 year old habit overnight, or in someone else's time frame nor with someone else's method. I have to tailor my quitting to me because that is what will ultimately work.
While it cannot be marketed in the US as a cessasion product (FDA), it is marketed as a tobacco alternative. The chinese instructions often clearly define it as a cessation device. I know many who have used it to become tobacco free, and many who have used it as a cessation device. A number continue to enjoy 'smoking' even using zero nic. That's part of the beauty, you can use it as you personally choose to. Those who wanted to quit have been far more successful than the paltry 15% success rate of other nic substitute products (gum, mints, patches). Personally, I quit analogs after about two weeks of slow reduction, and half decreased very gradually the nic strength. I now vape 'low' nic or even zero sometimes.....basically just chocolate flavored glycerin. Remarkably, it's very satisfying and produces a LOT of vapor. Like many, the analog look became less important with time....you really just want what works best.
i have alyays seen e-cigs as a social living tool. a relaxing chill mello toy.... its more convenient and im chill. at least thats what i use it for
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I'd be real happy if my Copper JOYE 510 worked like a bigger Mod with a 3 day battery life, but not because it would look more like a cigarette. I want to be as far away from any image of real thing as I can be.
I started vaping to quit smoking, and it worked, whereas all the other stop-smoking devices failed (they're doomed to). But still, it'd be nice to have a PV as small as a 510 work as efficiently as the big Mods, but for me, not because it would look like a cig, but just because it would be very small and convenient. For now, I find the Janty Stick is just about perfect.
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I'd be real happy if my Copper JOYE 510 worked like a bigger Mod with a 3 day battery life, but not because it would look more like a cigarette. I want to be as far away from any image of real thing as I can be.
I started vaping to quit smoking, and it worked, whereas all the other stop-smoking devices failed (they're doomed to). But still, it'd be nice to have a PV as small as a 510 work as efficiently as the big Mods, but for me, not because it would look like a cig, but just because it would be very small and convenient. For now, I find the Janty Stick is just about perfect.
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Maybe 70% of the time I smoked it was for the ritual of it, the hand-to-mouth habit and soothing production of smoke that had been behaviorally reinforced by the nicotine. That's why NRT never worked for me when I tried, honestly, to quit. (Not to mention that the nicotine content of those methods was too high and I needed to be able to control my nicotine more precisely, a la vaping.) I vape a lot of zero-nic, too.
I switched to a bigger HV mod less than a month after I started - even though at the start I was convinced I'd want something close to a small "real cigarette" size.
I'm 25. What scares me is that I almost certainly would have kept smoking for as long as I didn't feel any health consequences. This is the only alternative that actually works. I don't care what I'm holding or how, I am not going to gradually give away my health and my money to Philip Morris &co.
To put it lightly, screw anyone else's idea of "cessation".
I switched to a bigger HV mod less than a month after I started - even though at the start I was convinced I'd want something close to a small "real cigarette" size.
I'm 25. What scares me is that I almost certainly would have kept smoking for as long as I didn't feel any health consequences. This is the only alternative that actually works. I don't care what I'm holding or how, I am not going to gradually give away my health and my money to Philip Morris &co.
To put it lightly, screw anyone else's idea of "cessation".
Honestly... To me, e-cigs started off being a hobby from day 1. I didn't use it as a quitting tool, I used it as an alternative.
The cheaper cost is what attracted me being possibly healthier is just a plus. Most of the mods are not cost effective for me. I have made the 3.7 volt box from madvapes that works well and hopefully the battery will last for many recharges. I don`t actually care if it doesn`t look like a cig. I never planned on not smoking but this is going on day 4 now. I`m now thinking maybe I could use this to stop forever. Certainly don`t plan on doing this forever even with it being enjoyable.
If I can`t cut back on the nicotine and stop then its still cheaper and possibly healthier. The big volt mod users are just bigger test subjects to me. If its not healthier and all they will show results first. So crank those volts and burn that juice I need results.
They seem pretty happy so far.
If I can`t cut back on the nicotine and stop then its still cheaper and possibly healthier. The big volt mod users are just bigger test subjects to me. If its not healthier and all they will show results first. So crank those volts and burn that juice I need results.
They seem pretty happy so far.
Instead of a nicotine cessation device, I always looked at my e-cig as a tobacco cessation device...and my 510 worked for that...
Now I am getting an E-Pipe (longer battery and cart capacity) to use only in the evenings, so i don't have to fiddle with filling carts, etc...
Now I am getting an E-Pipe (longer battery and cart capacity) to use only in the evenings, so i don't have to fiddle with filling carts, etc...
It depends on the brand e-cig you use, the filter, weather you are using pg or vg or both, a good or crappy atomizer, and ALCOHOL.
mg strength = how long you have to vape before putting it down.
pg = hit with no vapor
vg = vapor with no hit
pg + vg mix = hit and vapor
vg + alcohol = hit and vapor
mg strength = how long you have to vape before putting it down.
pg = hit with no vapor
vg = vapor with no hit
pg + vg mix = hit and vapor
vg + alcohol = hit and vapor
I too started vaping to escape the high prices and crappy taste of smoking (FSC paper's nasty)... I never intended to quit smoking altogether, but it's becoming a welcomed side-effect to vaping...
I do have some rolling tobacco left over that I'm trying to get rid of, but it's getting to the point that I'm thinking I might end up throwing it out... I just have a hard time smoking these days... especially having a better-tasting, less expensive alternative...
But, as they say... horses for courses...
I do have some rolling tobacco left over that I'm trying to get rid of, but it's getting to the point that I'm thinking I might end up throwing it out... I just have a hard time smoking these days... especially having a better-tasting, less expensive alternative...
But, as they say... horses for courses...
maybe the inevitable desire for some (and im one of them) to make this into somewhat of a "fun hobby" by constantly trying new models/mods is similliar to when we first started smoking...maybe it reminds us when smoking was fun. I remember trying every cigarrette brand just for FUN 20 years ago...
btw..my mom who started smoking again (she hates herself for it) after dad died of lung cancer from smoking took a couple puffs off my 501....her eyes lit up, giggled at the vapor coming from her mouth and said "ok get me this for xmas!"...ordered last night from dietsmokes (got my self a vp1 id been eyeballing) already on its way...dont know if it will help i think in her case alot of her smoking is psychological (she never smokes when shes away from home) but well see...cant hurt to try. got some non-nicotine liquid too.
btw..my mom who started smoking again (she hates herself for it) after dad died of lung cancer from smoking took a couple puffs off my 501....her eyes lit up, giggled at the vapor coming from her mouth and said "ok get me this for xmas!"...ordered last night from dietsmokes (got my self a vp1 id been eyeballing) already on its way...dont know if it will help i think in her case alot of her smoking is psychological (she never smokes when shes away from home) but well see...cant hurt to try. got some non-nicotine liquid too.
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