ecigs/ vaping "just as bad for you"
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Saying you don't know that nicotine is as addictive because you still craved cigarettes for the first 6 months of vaping is not the best argument.
Scientific studies have shown that nicotine is highly addictive. Just because you still craved cigarettes could be something else. Besides being physically addictive, there is mental dependancy/addiction to the act of smoking. Once your physical withdrawl symptoms are over with, it is your mind that is telling you, that you want it.
There are so many chemicals in cigarettes that keep you hooked. Nicotine is far from the most addictive of them and is one of the reasons that the patch and gum fail for so many. The act of smoking itself gets hard wired into our brains and seems to be one of the reason vaping appears to be a more effective quitting mechanism.
I started vaping 5 months ago.
I changed to cotton wicks last month, because i think the silica wick unraffles and will end up in your lungs.
I changed to cotton wicks last month, because i think the silica wick unraffles and will end up in your lungs.
Sooooo, um what if someone vapes 0mg nicotine??? are they still a "smoker"
I Do not smoke anymore, I VAPE, I am working on getting to 0mg nic. And I just may continue to vape, because I enjoy it
I was where you are at. I quit smoking and vaped. I went from 12mg e-liquid and switched to 0mg e-liquid, and have been on that for the last 2 months. I haven't vaped in 2 weeks to try to break that mental dependancy/habit, but I still plan on vaping because I enjoy the calming/katharic effect that inhaling a warm vapor/smoke cloud and exhaling has. I feel that I have the habit in check and I'm going to treat vaping like cigar/hookah use. A once or twice a week thing to do because I enjoy it, as opposed to a daily/hourly need to do it.
Wasn't trying to argue. I was trying to insinuate that there are other components in smoking that cause a person to be addicted to cigarettes. It's not just nicotine.
How can a person who doesn't inhale smoke be a smoker?!
That there is all the scientific FACT you will ever need!
And some vapers don't even inhale vapor. The longer one vapes, the more one learns inhaling isn't necessary and once stopped isn't missed.
Some people seem to think they are perfect and anyone different than them is damaged or sick in some way. My Dr. is very happy that we have reduced the number of chemicals we inhale, in fact he was so intrigued that he actually tried my SVD. He was amazed at the flavor and how it worked. His words, you are still addicted to nicotine, that's not good, but at least its better. For most it isn't the nicotine in a cigarette that kills them it's all the other crap. Improvement is improvement.
Addictive? Not really without smoking/combustion involved, but if you say Nicotine dependency without smoking - I might agree.
Read this article "Nicotine, the Wonder Drug?" - Nicotine, the Wonder Drug? | DiscoverMagazine.com
From the article:
Nicotine =/= huge cardiovascular risks. It is nicotine in combination with SMOKE (and especially the resulting carbon monoxide) that causes all the harm.
There are many studies on that subject, this is one of them from Harm Reduction Journal : HRJ | Full text | Tobacco harm reduction: an alternative cessation strategy for inveterate smokers
I have a friend who was the head ER surgeon in a major Miami hospital for many years. He is going to be visiting this weekend.
I am going to ask his opinion of e-cigs. I will let you all know what he thinks. He is not inclined to be a sheep and makes decisions on real research not media spew.
I am going to ask his opinion of e-cigs. I will let you all know what he thinks. He is not inclined to be a sheep and makes decisions on real research not media spew.
I agree that there are many things that make cigarette smoking hard to quit and vaping is an effective way to quit. However saying that nicotine is not highly addictive is like saying caffeine isn't highly addictive. With both nicotine and caffeine your body goes through physical withdrawal symptoms which include severe headache, irritability, mood swings etc. Lucky both caffeine and nicotine are processed through the body quickly so that the physical withdrawal is a week or less.
Now the process of which you get the nicotine/caffeine also contributes to how hard it is to quite the drug and contributes to relapses even though you get drug through another process. Smokers are used to the sensation of regulating their breathing by inhaling and filling their lungs with deep breathes and exhaling all the air from their lungs. That process is what they are used to. People addicted to caffeine tend to get their caffeine through the same repeatative process, ie coffee drinkers always drink coffee, soda drinkers drink soda, and energy drinkers drink their energy drinks. You can try to substitutes caffeine pills, but each user has their preferred method/process to get the drug, and that is the mental aspect of the addiction.
Of course there are many things that lead to smoking addiction and relapse. But saying nicotine is not that addictive is the same principle as the misinformation about vaping you do not like.
This same argument again? Vaping is not smoking. It pains me to see fellow vapers say that they still smoke even though they only vape. I expect this reasoning from the non-vaping public since they aren't educated about vaping yet, not from fellow vapers.
There is no way that vaping is smoking. Vapers who claim that it is smoking are only hurting our cause and I urge you to get on board with the rest of us. I believe that almost all of the proposed and enacted regulations concerning vaping are ridiculous and unfounded. One reason that they are succeeding is that the powers that be believe that vaping = smoking. We need to break that link if we don't want to be subject to the regulations, taxes and hatred that the general public has towards smoking. That and the fact that governments everywhere are losing tax revenue every time a smoker switches to vaping. I wish that more politicians calling for a sin tax on vaping products would just admit that they need to replace the lost tax revenue. To me; any sin tax needs to be proportional to the harm that behavior results in. All studies to date have shown zero to minimal harm from vaping which to logical people would rule out a sin tax.
There is no way that vaping is smoking. Vapers who claim that it is smoking are only hurting our cause and I urge you to get on board with the rest of us. I believe that almost all of the proposed and enacted regulations concerning vaping are ridiculous and unfounded. One reason that they are succeeding is that the powers that be believe that vaping = smoking. We need to break that link if we don't want to be subject to the regulations, taxes and hatred that the general public has towards smoking. That and the fact that governments everywhere are losing tax revenue every time a smoker switches to vaping. I wish that more politicians calling for a sin tax on vaping products would just admit that they need to replace the lost tax revenue. To me; any sin tax needs to be proportional to the harm that behavior results in. All studies to date have shown zero to minimal harm from vaping which to logical people would rule out a sin tax.
Very true! When I really want a buzz I'll let it drift out my nose only...Whew! It tingles!
I can see why someone would want to start vaping as a past-time but if you weren't a smoker beforehand I don't see the actual point in becoming a vaper. As it is most states are trying to stop vaping sales as is with some of the same lines they used when flavored tobacco was being used in high demand that because of the "child friendly" flavorings would make children want to smoke is being used as an excuse they are using to try to stop the sale of flavored e-liquids. It is also a main reason for me stopping the useage of calling niquid "juice" because I don't want people that aren't vapers to misunderstand that niquid is not something for children to get a hold of.
Hello, Just wanted to add if you check the CASAA website (im unable to post links as a new poster) the front page is posted a recent study which measured the effects from being around vapor from E-juice. If you communicate with your doctor you could send him/her a link to the study or read it yourself.
Living is the leading cause of death. Everything that died was once alive.
ANYTHING you do is not good for you. If you go out for a walk instead of sitting home the exercise is good but you increase your chances of getting hit by a beer truck. The vast majority of people will be better off taking the walk except for the poor ....... that gets hit by the beer truck.
Smoking cigarets is worse for your health than not smoking. In most cases. I am sure there is someone out there happily smoking away and there is another person who died from the stress of quitting smoking. Actually there are a lot of someones happily smoking away and very few people dead from the stress of quitting and on average you are a lot better off quitting.
According to what we know now, this could change, vaping could even be better, with more study, vaping is better, in general, for most people. Also, according to what we know now, not vaping is healthier than vaping. But, vaping is healthier than smoking.
There is more to vaping than health. I enjoy it and when I compare the risk, as I understand it from looking around, to my enjoyment of it I decide to vape. I also take the risk, after looking carefully both ways, of crossing the street in the middle of the block.
ANYTHING you do is not good for you. If you go out for a walk instead of sitting home the exercise is good but you increase your chances of getting hit by a beer truck. The vast majority of people will be better off taking the walk except for the poor ....... that gets hit by the beer truck.
Smoking cigarets is worse for your health than not smoking. In most cases. I am sure there is someone out there happily smoking away and there is another person who died from the stress of quitting smoking. Actually there are a lot of someones happily smoking away and very few people dead from the stress of quitting and on average you are a lot better off quitting.
According to what we know now, this could change, vaping could even be better, with more study, vaping is better, in general, for most people. Also, according to what we know now, not vaping is healthier than vaping. But, vaping is healthier than smoking.
There is more to vaping than health. I enjoy it and when I compare the risk, as I understand it from looking around, to my enjoyment of it I decide to vape. I also take the risk, after looking carefully both ways, of crossing the street in the middle of the block.
First I want to congratulate you on quitting smoking! I haven't went to my doc yet so I'm interested in what he has to say. He's a pulmonary doctor (lung dr) either way I know my body and I can breathe much better now that I've quit. Welcome and again congratulations
Since there's no smoke, I consider myself a non-smoker.
So, for that matter, does my doctor, who merrily changed my checkmark to "Non-Smoker" on my records and wanted to play with my e-cig. Both the NP and the doctor had a great deal of fun looking at it and asking questions.
My cardiologist didn't make the change--but he mentioned that the only reason why not is that if I'm hospitalized for some reason, they may need to know that there's nicotine (a minor stimulant) in my system. I asked him what they do about caffeine, and he said he always assumes the person has had multiple cups of coffee that day as it's simply safer for the patient.
Fair enough.
So, for that matter, does my doctor, who merrily changed my checkmark to "Non-Smoker" on my records and wanted to play with my e-cig. Both the NP and the doctor had a great deal of fun looking at it and asking questions.
My cardiologist didn't make the change--but he mentioned that the only reason why not is that if I'm hospitalized for some reason, they may need to know that there's nicotine (a minor stimulant) in my system. I asked him what they do about caffeine, and he said he always assumes the person has had multiple cups of coffee that day as it's simply safer for the patient.
Fair enough.
Congrats on making the switch. If your doctor is in disagreement, get a new doctor. IMO...
I was never a smoker.. But vaping helped me quit dipping 100% withoug inhaling. I was dipping 4-5 cans a week. I think that's a pretty good point for becoming a vaper.
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