Ego or Ego Twist w/ Vivi nova 2.5, Questions.

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RickMc

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You would get nothing but dry hits with a 2.4ohm head at 4.8v.
The ViVi is a low voltage device, but it comes with three heads. (1.8, 2.4 and 2.8) The 2.8 is OK between 3.7 - 4.2v, 2.4 between 3.5 - 3.7v, and the 1.8 at 3.3 - 3.4v.
Point blank, if you are getting dry hits with a nova, turn the damn voltage down!

I usually vape the Nova with the 2.8 ohm head at 4.5 volts and haven't had any isues at all with dry hits. I do make sure and roll/swirl it around somewhat as I'm vaping. I've had great luck with the Nova V2.
 

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There's a formula I use as a general guideline of how many volts to try a device at. A general rule(but it's personal taste) is that most people like to vape at between 6-8 amps on a device.

If you are using a 2.4ohm head and you are vaping at 4 volts this is how you get the amps. Volts Squared divided by resistance ohms. So in this example 4x4/2.4 = 6.666 amps. A lot of people find their sweet spot in between 6-8 amps. My personal sweet spot is around 8 amps. Therefore I would try a 2.4ohm device at around 4.4 volts to see how I like it and adjust from there. (4.4x4.4/2.4=8.06 amps)
 

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Twist with a Nova is a sweet setup.

Hey, where's the zealot with the monkey avatar? We're talkin' variable voltage here. :D

LOL! Hey, even zealots need a little "me" time now and then. :) (And giant walls of text don't create themselves, y'know) LOL

Besides, I'm "over" the Twist - from now on, it's all about the BLU! Yeah baby! :) (J/K!!!!!)

Hey, sorry about that little "dust-up" yesterday. I'm back on my meds, and doing GREAT! :) I'm a little disappointed that there were only 14 posts deleted in that thread, since my Personal Best stands at 16, but hey, we gave it a good shot and that's what counts!

Anyway, no hard feelings on this end, and I really do hope that goes both ways. :toast::vapor::banana: :2cool:


I don't understand the voltages. The Vivi Nova comes with a 2.4 head on it by default, but the Twist seems to have it's lowest setting above that. Wouldn't that cause issues or is it apples and oranges? Would there be any point changing the Vivi Nova heads once you have a twist?

You've already gotten some fine explanations, and an important clarification from Flyer that Ohm's Law says that -

Volts times volts divided by resistance = watts [not amps - oopsie]

Amps come into play because you want them as low as possible to extend battery life, so get your desired watts using the highest resistance coil that you can.

Amps = Watts divided by the amount of volts it takes to produce them.

I won't spoil this post with a giant wall of text, so I'll spoil the next one with a giant wall of text. It's a cut-and-paste from what's left of the poor thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/312896-where-start-basic-equipment.html in answer to someone's question about amps, volts, ohms, and watts.

(And no, I don't know everything, but I sure do have a blast acting like I do. Yeeeehawwwww!!! ) :)

On a more serious note, I just want to help people get off of killer ciggies. This is war, and hundreds of thousands of people are dying ....... or worse.

You Dont Always Die from Tobacco - YouTube You Don't Always Die from Tobacco
 
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Today's Trivial Fact:

Did you know that prior to the completion of the Great Wall of China in the 14th century AD during the Ming Dynasty that the country was actually protected by a Great Wall of Text? It's true - look it up.

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Hang on to your wigs and keys, cuz here goes! (Kinda surprised some of this is still there ... but pleasantly surprised).

So is it too late to ask you anything more about the twist device? .....

Compare the different voltages? Possibility of ruining a cart because of too low/high? Dont really know how that works. Do they come with a chart that would indicate voltage levels that will give what? I'd ask you to "sell" it based on a new vaper/hardly smoker but we might get into trouble again :p

No worries, I will still try to help you as best I can. That's why I come here. I'll work on an answer and post it when I can. There are charts out there, but you will not have to worry about burning out cartomizers/atomizers with a VV device with the output o say .... oh, I don't know .... a Joyetech eGo-C Twist, let's say. :)

Ohm's Law is what rules the vape. Volts times volts divided by resistance of the coil = watts. (I'm going to stick with a single coil for now, which is IMO the way to generally go anyway).

Watts basically = heat; how warm is the coil; how much does it warm and vaporize the juice. Maybe you'll like a range of 6 to 8 watts, depending on the juice oryour mood.

With a 3-ohm single coil, the Twist can be adjusted between:
3.2v x 3.2v / 3 = 3.4 watts. Pretty "cool" - (the temperature kind).

4.8v x 4.8v / 3 = 7.6 watts. For me, just about enough to get the job done. Plus, longer battery life than with a lower resistance coil. *

With a 2-ohm coil:

3.2 x 3.2 / 2 = 5.12 watts

4.8 x 4.8 / 2 = 11.52 watts - more than enough for all but the most extreme vaper IMO.

With a fixed-voltage 3.7V device, you would get 4.56 watts with a 3-ohm coil, and 6.85 watts with a 2-ohm coil. Period.

Of course, you can achieve other wattages with a fixed-voltage device, but only by changing attachments.

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* On amp draw:

Another part of Ohm's law states that Amps = Watts divided by the amount of Voltage required to create those amps.

7 watts at 2.0 ohms requires 3.74v to produce. 7/3.74 = 1.8 amps.
7 watts at 3.0 ohms requires 4.58v to produce. 7/4.58 = 1.5 amps.

Since batteries are rated in milliamp hours (how many amperage units can it put out in an hour of usage), it makes sense that a lower amp draw per watt created will give better battery life. To me, it has always seemed counter-intuitive that higher resistance is easier on the battery, but there it is. A battery will last 1.8/1.5 = maybe 20% longer with the higher-resistance coil. Back in one of the "walls of text" is an explanation of why I favor single coils over dual coils.

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Having done quite a bit in this thread to do just what the moderators rightly want us to do - help people - I hope I have earned the right to say what I just said about how I think things must be discussed in order for things to remain civil and on-topic. I do not believe that people should judge others, and I will continue to say that every time I am judged, or anyone is judged. Please just express yourself kindly and non-judgmentally, or this will go on and on and on and on. So will war, anger, hatred, and violence.

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Almost forgot - if you haven't seen this, I really think you'll get a lot out of it:

THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer

You HAVE watched it .... haven't you?

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I'm feeling SO much better since I wrote some of that, but I stand by all of the basic sentiments. Forgiveness, being kind to each other, treating each other with respect, just saying what we like, or don't like, and not judging one another.

I think it's what the world needs right now; and maybe more than ever. There are a lot of nukes out there. And a lot of anger. And a lot of people dying. I just hope we can all work together to make things better for everyone.

Yeah, I know .... off-topic. Oh well. Whaddyagonnado.
 
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You might want to get this to give stability to the tank and dress it up.
I use this on my twist with the Vivi Nova. Looks good.
EGO Stainless Steel 5ml DCT Tank Cone

I got this one as well.
EGO Stainless Steel 3.5ml DCT Tank Cone
I think the 5ml looks better. IMHO.

I think the Twist really does look nice with a 3.5ml DCT tank on it, and the trim piece that Luther linked to.

Four Twists -  landscape.jpg

To me, the trim piece not only makes the setup look great, but it also lets you use much cheaper unflanged cartos. You'll haveto slot them yourself, but that's a good thing i think, once you get the hang of it. Or punch them with a storebought punch. Either way, I think you have a better chance of matching [juice flow and juice viscosity] (the more VG, the thicker the juice) than relying on the (somewhat randomly) pre-punched cartos that are a lot more expensive anyway.

I like this deal on Boge single coil XL's from Surevapes:

Boge Mix n Match (5 Boxes) ($0.92 each!)

For the Twist, I'd go ahead and get the 3.0's, which seem to run about 2.8 ohms. Better battery life, and they get hot enough for my tastes.

**** Twist Tip of the Day *****

Take some bright red nail polish and put a tiny dab right on the "4.0" o the dial that you can't read anyway, unless you were born on the planet Krypton. Then you can tell at a glance pretty much where your voltage is relative to the middle setting.
 

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Grrrrrr .... double post.

Oh well, here's "Steve from Liverpool", performing for you today on his "Bulli A2-T atomizer" that would go GREAT on ANY device! (like a Twist hehe)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkDIud1d7K0

Bonus Q: "What is Steve vaping in that thing, anyway?" LOL
 
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I think the Twist really does look nice with a 3.5ml DCT tank on it, and the trim piece that Luther linked to.

For the Twist, I'd go ahead and get the 3.0's, which seem to run about 2.8 ohms. Better battery life, and they get hot enough for my tastes.

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I like ur post. Only i would get the 2.0. If i want a big kick 4.8V is not enough with the 3 ohms. And the batt. life with 2.0 is fine too.
 
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