Ego vs 808D-1

[Chevello]

I'm still fairly new, and I couldn't decide where else in the forums to ask this, so I'll do it here. For the last 4 months, I have been using a generic KR808D-1 that I put together from various vendors (batteries from here and there, cartos from another place and chargers from wherever) and have been loving it. An XL battery (380mAh) lasts me through a 10 hour workday, and a second lasts the evening while the work one charges, and in the 40 or so cartos that I have bought, I haven't ever had a DOA and only one failed. In fact the carto on my 808 right now is about 3 months old and has been refilled do many times that I have lost count. The black sticker is almost completely falling off of it. So, pretty good luck and benefit from these parts so far.

For Christmas, my wife (another 808 user who I try to keep things as dead simple as possible for) bought me a Totally Wicked Tornado kit (Ego type). After using it for a couple of days, and swapping back and forth between it and the 808, I have a couple of questions.

The carts seem to not last nearly as long as the 808 cartos. Is this normal?
Does the battery EVER need to be recharged?
The juices don't seem to have the same or as much flavor coming out of the Tornado. Is that because of the different voltage, the atty/ cart setup vs the carto setup?
I seem to see about the same amount of vapor and get about the same TH with both the 808 and the Tornado, yet I keep reading here in the forums about how great the Ego style units are and how the 808 is simply for noobs to get started on and how someday those people will want a "REAL" PV like the Ego type. Did I just get beginner's lucky with a good combo of parts on the 808? Are the people touting the virtues of the Ego types just ringers for the industriovaping complex?
Will using an XL size carto on the Tornado be better than the atty/ carto combo?

Thanks

 

[swedishfish]

I have ego type batteries and a 510 (mini)- similiar to a KR808. And I have vaped a KR808.

I prefer the ego because of battery life and because I like LR cartos because I get a warmer vape. I actually like 510 and I get a good vape with it. I just hate to mess with a bunch of batteries.

It just depends on what you like and what you're looking for. No fuss, warmer vape- I like the ego. Inconspicuous and short trips, I like the 510.

 

[swedishfish]

I don't know what kind of cartos you're using on your ego. If it's LR cartos, then yes, they need to be refilled more often.

 

[River Rat]

What or should I say how many different flavers can you get for the 510?

 

[dormouse]

Carts? Are you using cartridge + atomizer on the Ego? Correct - carts do not hold as much as cartos (cartomizers) which are what the KR808D-1 is using. A cartomizer is usually at least 1ml and both holds juice and screws right on the battery. Very few actually use atomizer+cartridges on the Ego except when learning to vape - most use blank cartomizers (since there are few decent prefilled cartos for 510 threading). The most popular cartomizers for Ego are Boge 2 ohm. I use thin clear juices with Boge cartos (20% or less Vg and I avoid dark/cloudy/opaque juices that drop flavoring sediment)

If you ARE using cartos on Ego (not carts), if they are LR (low resistance) or dual coil, they will use charge and juice up faster.


Flavors - you can get every flavor there is. HOWEVER most cartomizers will not work well with thick nigh-VG juices so that may limit your choices to high PG juices depending on your cartomizers. There are dozens and dozens of juice vendors, and some vendors have over 100 flavors. Some offer custom juice flavors. And you can do DIY. There is everything from obscure fruits and blossoms to bacon and salmon.

Both 510 and KR808D-1 can use all of those flavors but for standard single coil cartomizers I recommend 30% or less VG and personally prefer 20% or less VG in cartos.

BTW for testing juices on the Ego I recommend a normal 510 atomizer and 510 drip tip.

 

[Chevello]

Thanks for the responses. So far, I'm not using cartos on the Tornado. That was one of the things I was wondering, if I should try that. There seems to be quite a difference in the vaping experience between the two units, and I was just wondering if there was something I was missing with the Tornado. I guess I'll try some cartos with it and see. Or, I may just see if I cna find a 510 battery to 808 carto adapter. Then I can still use what I have PLUS I can try new stuff Muhuahuahuahahahaha!

Trying new stuff is one of the fun things about this,

 

[Stef64]

Not sure what atomizer came on your Tornado, but by looking at the TW website it seems like they are Type A tank atomizers. If that is so, then the capacity of the tank is less than that of a 808 carto. These tanks/attys are also known to mute the flavor of the juice. Combined with the lesser voltage on the Tornado, I'm not surprised that you are not impressed with the performance of the Tornado.

If you want to increase the performance of your Tornado, ditch the tanks and get yourself some LR Boge or Smoktek cartos. They hold more juice than the tanks and will produce better TH and vapor. The flavor of the juice will also come through better.

 

[mynameisrob]

Deg agree to get some LR cartos. Atty and a cart can be very inconsistant. Your slim ecig can't use LR cartos, but the tornado can. I'd get some Boge 2.0ohm cartos and try them on your tornado. They will be alot better than the attys/carts your using now

 

[bnrkwest]

I have used KR808's and I must say they are my fav for warm vape and light weight "feel" for many flavors I have, but the batt life I get is not so great. I am just trying an ego pasthru and it is great because I can always vape on it either on the usb or off. But some juices I like on 808's are tasting different on this. My fav 3.7 PV is my GLV SM, but still some flavors I like best on the 808 G6 I have. Just wish those batts lasted longer. For me the 808's are much more relaxing to vape than the mod or ego style. bnrk

 

[zellps2]

kr 808 very good very powerfull but because of its size you need more ofthen reffiling.... powerfull though

 

[azrockstar]

I also use both styles daily. And also prefer some of my juices on the v2 cig over the Ego T 1000mAh passthrough. But I also prefer some of my juices in the Ego over the v2. One thing I am certain about is that I much prefer the carto over a tank/cart and atty set up. I use the Boge LR 510 cartos on the Ego and the v2 cartos on the v2. More flavor and much better TH. After spending alot of time and money on researching different products, testing different juices and the like, i can tell you i'm sort of an "expert" beginning vaper. Here are a few tips below to hopefully help anyone just beginning to vape to save a little time and money.

1: Learn how to refill your own cartos. There are so many videos on youtube explaining this it shouldn't be a problem. This will save you a TON of money instead of buying the prefilled cartos from your ecig supplier. Some of the best juice I have gotten are from these 3 companies.
A: Alien Visions E Liquid- some of the best liquid on the market hands down. Also the most expensive of the 3 listed but worth every cent.
B: E Vapor Clouds- High quality juice. This is where I will usually buy my 30ml bottles. Good prices and 2nd highest of the 3 I use.
C: EC Blends- Good quality juice and for a beginner trying to find that right juice, you cant go wrong with these guys. They also have a wizard to let you create your own flavors and name them. Very cool. The cheapest juice on the market as well so dont be afraid to get some testers and try some stuff out.

(I would also like to post here to stay away from a company called E juice USA.....one word. Gross.)

2: Research Research Research! This forum and its members have a wealth of knowledge to share. Dont be afraid to ask questions. Also youtube is a great place to get info. One reviewer I love watching is Pbusardo. Honest opinions and doesnt blow smoke up anyones.....cartos?

3: Go with what feels good for you. In a nutshell, it all comes down to what you like the best. If you prefer a tank/cart and atty system, do it. If you like the TH and flavor you get from cartos, do it. If you prefer direct dripping, then by all means, do it! As long as whatever you are doing is working to keep you from going back to analogs, there is not one person in the world who can tell you that youre doing something wrong.

 

[Chevello]

All good tips from azrockstar.

I did some further research here on ECF and have found that according to some testing, the 808 battery voltage is 3.7 and the ego is 3.1-ish AHA! So it sounds like my best bet is to adjust the wattage I am vaping by getting the right resistance cartos. I was going to do that anyways, but now I know I'll be heading the right direction. I'll probably start with something 2.0 ohm as suggested by mynameisrob up there.

Thanks folks.

 

[VapApe]

Well if you want a larger 808 auto battery take a look at the echo they come in 650, 1100 and 1300ma.
There Echo cartomizers holds 3ml.

 

[throatkick]

Generally speaking, I like to recommend, as opposed to recommending against, something. Additionally, I prefer to share the the thinking behind something as opposed to "buy this"

<rant-begins>
That being said, I simply can't find a reason as to why anyone would limit themselves to the lower voltages delivered by the eGO. Once upon a time, yes, I could definitely understand the reasoning. It was cheap, higher mah battery, it looked (and still looks) pretty slick. Today, however, there are many alternatives that offer high capacity and decent aesthetics.

With a 3.7 volt device you can get the same TH with lower nic. You aren't forced into using Ultra LR cartos. Many of those using the ULR cartos wind up with battery/switch problems. Many times, other devices can be found at a lower price.....
</rant-ends>

 

[vapomike]

Well personally I think if you're happy with the 808 I would keep using them. I have had 510's, Riva/Ego, Infinity,(<Used Carto's) Madvapes VV Box (<DCT Tank) and a Volt/808 (<Vortex 2.0). I was wanting something smaller for going out to the bar and work when I picked up the Volt. After using it for awhile it has became my main vape and with the Vortex the vapor production is awesome (for a cig style) and filling is super easy. It is just no muss fuss vaping for me. Also it imitates smoking the best out of all my setups. For me a lot of vaping is about the tactile feeling of it. Out of all the things listed I only keep the VV box and Volt in active duty. The rest of the vaping gear collects dust. I keep the VV Box around because it's nice to have that heavy hitting vape ever once in awhile. Though when I'm just in chill mode and not really focused on the vape I just keep my Volt handy.

It's really about what keeps you off the analogs in the end. For some people it's a shiny silver tube that runs high voltage pushing a 2.0 ohm carto while others just like a 808.

 

[Chevello]

So, I tried something goofy today, and was surprised. I was reading something somewhere here at ECF, and someone said something about "510/ 4081" or some such and I thought, "Hey, where did those 4081 cartos go?" I sorted through the rubble on my desk, and found them, screwed one onto my Tornado, and wow, it worked! It had a great amount of both flavor and vapor. I happened to be a tobacco flavor, and I'm not partial to those, so it wasn't GREAT, but now I know.

The threads look slightly different, and I suppose they have a different pitch, but the difference wasn't enough to keep the carto from going onto the battery far enough to function. So now I know that a carto is going to work better for me with the Tornado, I just have to get out to get some. I wouldn't recommend anyone else screw a 4081 carto onto their 510 battery, you may not be as lucky as I am.

Thought I would pass that along.

 

[swedishfish]

Generally speaking, I like to recommend, as opposed to recommending against, something. Additionally, I prefer to share the the thinking behind something as opposed to "buy this"

<rant-begins>
That being said, I simply can't find a reason as to why anyone would limit themselves to the lower voltages delivered by the eGO. Once upon a time, yes, I could definitely understand the reasoning. It was cheap, higher mah battery, it looked (and still looks) pretty slick. Today, however, there are many alternatives that offer high capacity and decent aesthetics.

With a 3.7 volt device you can get the same TH with lower nic. You aren't forced into using Ultra LR cartos. Many of those using the ULR cartos wind up with battery/switch problems. Many times, other devices can be found at a lower price.....
</rant-ends>

I have to be honest with you- I have Joye ego batteries, Riva batteries, Smoketek batteries from MV (crap) no-name batteries and I honestly can't tell the difference when I use them. One isn't a better vape than the other. It isn't like the .3 difference makes one crap and one awesome.

I will say the Joye ego batteries lasted much longer than any other battery, and when my Riva batteries died I got this very scarey 'battery button stuck' issues with 3 Riva batteries right before they died. I'm just careful with them now.

I definitely do notice a difference between the Joye/riva/crap 3.7 batteries and the echo-e 4.2 battery.

 

[swedishfish]

duplicate post

 

[Chevello]

An update: I went down to the local vape store and picked up some cartos. The vape seems substantially better to me with the cartos than with the atty-cart combination. These are the simple standard ones that come in the green and white box and I measure around 3.5 Ohms when filled (couldn't get a steady reading on the DVM with a dry one for some reason). I'm thinking I'll try the 2 Ohm gems next time to see what difference I get with that. Once these break in, with the extra battery life compared to the 808 I'm going to be a happy(er) vaper for days at a time.

 

[holly77]

I use a riva at home because i only have to charge it once every day or two but when I'm out I use my volts which are 808's. I just prefer something smaller when I am out or at work and they are autos which I also like. I can't really tell any difference between the two apart from battery life although 1 volt battery will last me a full 6 hour shift at work. I like the riva while at home but I would never stop using my volts, I love them.
I did have a couple of small 510 manuals but didn't really get on with them, compared to the volt they just didn't seem to have much power and the battery only lasted half the time.