Ego's Are Garbage (Warning to Newbs)

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Elizabeth Baldwin

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.... How many Provaris have American made batteries inside?

Good point. How many ex-smokers who worry about their own lungs purchase cheap goods from China where air pollution is disastrous to others? Cell phones? Computers? Everything? But oh, the smoke from a cigarette. There is plenty of hypocrisy to go around. I certainly don't live like a saint or practice life like a monk, to live without sin is not to live much at all according to my nature, but some of the self-righteous seem wholeheartedly to embrace the idea of telling everybody else what to do.
 

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We are seeing responses a lot like this... OP claims he's seen a lot of people complaining about the same products. He needs to prove that by posting a link to threads showing others complaining. :)

Ok, see here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on/519760-smoktech-e-max-vv-vw-spinner-2.html

The user Sark666 gives his opinion after having used it for 2 days. He says "it's junk." One or two other people in that thread mention other problems with it (mainly low battery life, which is odd considering it is 1300 Mah).
 

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Ok, see here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on/519760-smoktech-e-max-vv-vw-spinner-2.html

The user Sark666 gives his opinion after having used it for 2 days. He says "it's junk." One or two other people in that thread mention other problems with it (mainly low battery life, which is odd considering it is 1300 Mah).

Ok so that's one. Everything built has some flukes. One thing that drains a battery depends on volts... We have no idea what this guy had his set on... I have a VTR. If I have it set low it lasts all day, but if I crank it up it pulls the power from my battery in a few hours. There are variables involved....

It doesn't mean some things aren't lemons but from the majority of people using these they seem to love them.
 

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Ok, see here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on/519760-smoktech-e-max-vv-vw-spinner-2.html

The user Sark666 gives his opinion after having used it for 2 days. He says "it's junk." One or two other people in that thread mention other problems with it (mainly low battery life, which is odd considering it is 1300 Mah).

If you're going 8 watts, then you probably ain't talking the ego type a lot of people start with and use. Yes there are ego VV/VW, spinner, you name it, but jamming ego totally into a bashing session isn't getting you or us anywhere. What is your set up? Are you cloud chasing? Do the batteries get hot when you are running 8 watts?
And the one comment on that link is from you, so that one doesn't count as a lot of people in my mind.
 

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it's only a 2 page thread and only sark says anything bad about it......where are teh one or two other people in that thread at?
izan mentions a battery drain at higher volts, that's common in any mod....

after reading sark's post and your reply sounds like mod issues...sounds like having the vw option is problematic and all the light color changing....
and once again I state this is not an ego battery, it's an ego styled battery....if you are wanting vv, vw and battery warnings then go with a regulated mech mod or an ego styled battery with a display screen.....

but ego's don't have those options...ego's have an on/off button and then may or may not be vv (twist or spinner) with 510 and ego threading
 

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Well, it doesn't *just* depend on volts. To get an accurate measurement of what is coming out of the battery you need amps. There is a handy calculator you can use, Watts - volts - amps - ohms conversion calculator. When batteries are rated at a certain capacity, it is aH hours. So, let's say you buy a 1300maH battery, and can hold the button constant without it shutting off, if you output 1.3 aH, it would last an hour. So a 3 ohm coil at 4 volts would drain your batter in 1 hour, regardless of the time the manufacturer says the battery will last. There are also many other factors that affect these calculations. For instance if you use a 1.5 ohm coil at 3.7 volts, you nearly double your aH output, and half the time your battery will power your device. There are many many other factors that can cause inconsistencies in these estimates.

That being said, I love my egos, I have several different types from different manufacturers, and for me portability is nothing better than a standard 650maH eco-c with a Kanger Mini Protank 2, and a 1.5 ohm coil. I have measured how many drags they last, estimating about 4 seconds per drag, and have not found any serious discrepancies with the length of the battery life and the advertised capacity.
 
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...one additional note as well, for the variable voltage devices, and regulated devices, the PCBs in all those devices to take power to run. It is nearly impossible for us as consumers to measure that draw, unless you have some very fine electronic measuring devices, and can disassemble the device without damaging it.
 

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I am still fairly new to vaping. While I may not have the time logged a lot of members here have, due to my background, I do know a lot about electronics, physics, computer science, etc.

My point here is to warn newbs about cheap batteries. If you are new and are thinking about buying an ego style battery, let me tell you unequivocally to NEVER do it. Ego style batteries are cheap Chinese garbage. I will say it again, cheap Chinese garbage manufactured by workers working under slave labor conditions. The goal of these Chinese companies is to churn out as many units as possible with ZERO quality control. If the battery doesn't work, it's no sweat because they know it becomes the U.S. vendor's problem. And most of the time, the U.S. vendor will not give you a refund for something DOA because the Chinese do not warranty them. These guys can't even produce manuals with proper English grammar (because they are too cheap to hire English translators), so do you really think they are going to have much communication with U.S. vendors? Nah, the Chinese are laughing all the way to the bank at our stupidity and our reliance on their shoddy "craftsmanship."

I would estimate it costs the Chinese about $1 to produce your average 600 mah ego battery. By the time they make their way to the consumer here in the U.S. (or other countries) we are paying 15-20 bucks. If you buy from a B&M, you will pay about $15 right now. On the internet you will probably find them a few bucks cheaper. Still it's a huge markup.

The biggest offender of cheap, crap products is SMOK. I bought 2 Smok Ego "Emax" batteries from my local B&M store. These are the 1300 mah VV/VW batteries that you may have seen. I spent $35 a piece (yes, way too much). Neither of them really work. The box says that you are supposed to get a "30% low battery warning." It states that the LED will flash red. Neither of my two batteries ever do that -- they just die unexpectedly. While one of my batteries will last me about 12 hours on 8 watts (which sounds about right for 1300 mah), the other one lasts me about 2 hours before it totally dies.

So I took this battery back to my local B&M and told them it dies after a couple hours (at most). They told me they will have to "test" it. They didn't take my word for it because they are basically on the hook for it since the Chinese won't warranty them. (They didn't tell me this, but I know that's what it is. Otherwise, they would just give me a new one and send the old one back). So, basically, these vendors are taking all of the risk if something doesn't work. This ends up screwing the consumer like me because the vendors are out whatever they paid for the battery plus a new replacement. So, basically, if this local B&M doesn't either refund me or give me a replacement, I will never buy from them again and make sure all the smokers I know never buy from them either.

So, my advice to newbies? Go out right now and buy a Provari or a ZEN or a Futura or another high-quality U.S. made device. Yes, they are expensive. Yes, a full kit will cost you at least $200-$300. Yes, it will hurt the budget for a while. But it is definitely WORTH it. I have spent probably $200 just on EGO batteries in the short few months I have been vaping. What do I have to show for it? Nothing. Most of them no longer work. I have two in the other room right now that are dead as a door nail after light usage over a couple of months. On the other hand, a Provari will last you (easily) 5-10 years and give you a much, much better vape.

So, for all of you veterans who tell newbs to "start with an Ego" I will have to firmly disagree. Ego's are garbage and should be completely bypassed for real equipment from day one. There is nothing "complicated" about VV/VW. Any new user can figure it out after 5 minutes of usage. Yes, sub-ohm can be dangerous and I understand why people do not encourage newbs to rebuild, but rebuilding is a different animal from VV/VW. Newbs should be encouraged to spend a couple hundred bucks up front and get the best from day one. Get good equipment and be done with it (at least for a few years).

I will never buy a Chinese battery again. I will buy U.S. mods and batteries that are made in Korea or Japan. Take my advice and save yourself a LOT of headaches. Trust me on this, newbs.

{MODERATED} you sound just like a former poster here that went by the handle "GoodNews!" So you had a bad experience with something and assume everyone is, has, or going to experience the same problems as you did.

If you are going to boast about your background in physics, computer science, electronics and etc..., then why cant you figure out exactly what went wrong, explain it to us in some detail, or apply your background skills to fix the battery yourself other than rambling nonsense about the conspiracy of Chinese manufacturing?
 
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PCBs?? Man, this is getting technical. Anyway I thought maybe I s/b worried about my 1300 Vision spnners, so I finally made it to the end of this thread (phew!).

Guess it wouldn't be worth it if I didn't write something, after that 122-post slog.

My :2c: on the the Joyetech 510T starter kit is that it was :censored: ... never buy another JT product again. Ditto Kanger Mini Pro 2 (leaked, ick) ... but hey, if they work for you, more power to ya :D

Oh yeah, and one more thing ...

If we all got even a tenth as royally :mad: about the :censored: that's being done to our right to :vapor: as we did about equipment ... well, I'll just not finish that sentence, 'cuz it's :offtopic:
 
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