EJuice label?

[Zztalk.talkzz]

We need some standards so as to clean up this mess before Federal Laws get passed and limit our ability to DIY?

1) Ingredients List
Standard Ingredients by volume (27PG/56VG/1.2NIC/15.8-Other) Nic 99.97 pure.
- PG/VG/Nic/Other total % by volume. (From all individual ingredients) [Should equal 100]
- Other? now... List of chemical ingredients FDA requires on labels like colouring, sugars, acids, water, alcohol & Flavour Stabilisers.

2) Warning label:
Keep away from children and never Ingest(eat/drink) or inject! Or whatever legal people suggest

3) Small print for tracking and vender legal safety:
- Nic purity, Origen, age, mix date, expiration (actual manufacturer & date/batch# for tracking reasons like with beef)
- List of Solvents: If "Home-made" or solvent extraction is"in house" to concentrate or isolate whats wanted from the unwanted.
(Solvents like H20, PG, VG, alcohol, C02, N02, petroleum, acetone, ISO, lighter-fluid.)
(Because some salvants are "less-toxic" than others in trace amounts: see objections by health organizations for lists)
(Not important for mixers if buying concentrates from venders ignore, that info can be easily tracked after, just keep good records)

***If you are a ejuice vender understand, if you want to make real $$$ you must learn to play by other people's Rules... Not yours!***
******Or, as a sales man "don't sell from your pocket, the buyer may have more or less"******

If a vender was trustworthy and had this info on bottle... I would pay $1 per mil? Without it... 33-50¢.

 

[Elnroth]

I don't think you have to list flavors used directly on the bottle If they are fda approved flavorings. I think you can just list "flavoring". I would like to see a warning about use of know food allergens such as: may contain our have come in contact with peanuts or nuts etc. Just waiting for someone to go into anaphylactic shock from inhaling some sort of nut extract that wasn't listed our obviously used for the flavor.


Edit: I'm willing to pay a small price increase in order to see proper labeling.

 

[TTK]

I like it and responded in the Campaigning forum.

 

[zoiDman]

We need some standards so as to clean up this mess before Federal Laws get passed and limit our ability to DIY?

1) Ingredients List
Standard Ingredients by volume (27PG/56VG/1.2NIC/15.8-Other) Nic 99.97 pure.
- PG/VG/Nic/Other total % by volume. (From all individual ingredients) [Should equal 100]
- Other? now... List of chemical ingredients FDA requires on labels like colouring, sugars, acids, water, alcohol & Flavour Stabilisers.

2) Warning label:
Keep away from children and never Ingest(eat/drink) or inject! Or whatever legal people suggest

3) Small print for tracking and vender legal safety:
- Nic purity, Origen, age, mix date, expiration (actual manufacturer & date/batch# for tracking reasons like with beef)
- List of Solvents: If "Home-made" or solvent extraction is"in house" to concentrate or isolate whats wanted from the unwanted.
(Solvents like H20, PG, VG, alcohol, C02, N02, petroleum, acetone, ISO, lighter-fluid.)
(Because some salvants are "less-toxic" than others in trace amounts: see objections by health organizations for lists)
(Not important for mixers if buying concentrates from venders ignore, that info can be easily tracked after, just keep good records)

***If you are a ejuice vender understand, if you want to make real $$$ you must learn to play by other people's Rules... Not yours!***
******Or, as a sales man "don't sell from your pocket, the buyer may have more or less"******

If a vender was trustworthy and had this info on bottle... I would pay $1 per mil? Without it... 33-50¢.

All Good Ideas.

But to be Traceable I think Mixed e-liquids should have a Lot Number.

BTW - Do you think this type of Voluntary Labeling is a Tad Late?

 

[Zztalk.talkzz]

I don't think you have to list flavors used directly on the bottle If they are fda approved flavorings. I think you can just list "flavoring". I would like to see a warning about use of know food allergens such as: may contain our have come in contact with peanuts or nuts etc. Just waiting for someone to go into anaphylactic shock from inhaling some sort of nut extract that wasn't listed our obviously used for the flavor.


Edit: I'm willing to pay a small price increase in order to see proper labeling.

I'm allergic to corn Processed sugars, and some flavour Stabilisers and dies... So I know what your saying... And I agree that flavours should be allowed to remain Proprietary but some flavourings come in PEG and not PG which is derived from animals and Crude oil's and is no longer conceded Kosher or organic so maybe that should also be included but on a voluntary basis... Like food... But we need to remember that vape-able and edible is not always the same. That's why inhalers use kosher PG in medical uses. But in general 99% of vapers will not ever have to deal with people like me...

 

[Zztalk.talkzz]

All Good Ideas.

But to be Traceable I think Mixed e-Liquids should have a Lot Number.

BTW - Do you think this type of Voluntary Labeling is a Tad Late?

That's what I meant by batch# or is lot number different?

 

[Elnroth]

I'm allergic to corn Processed sugars, and some flavour Stabilisers and dies... So I know what your saying... And I agree that flavours should be allowed to remain Proprietary but some flavourings come in PEG and not PG which is derived from animals and Crude oil's and is no longer conceded Kosher or organic so maybe that should also be included but on a voluntary basis... Like food... But we need to remember that vape-able and edible is not always the same. That's why inhalers use kosher PG in medical uses. But in general 99% of vapers will not ever have to deal with people like me...

If vendors listed their ingredients similar to food and then throw a nicotine warning label on, they would be in pretty good shape. My favorite juice vendor already does this. That's how I know they use kosher pg. The only thing they don't have is an allergen warning. I know my local B&M uses all kosher or organic ingredients, but that is because I asked. Unfortunately it is not listed on their bottles.

It's going to take pressure from us, the consumers to get this in place quickly. Unfortunately or advocacy organizations are too busy fighting our governments to lean on the industry to get these kinds if things in place.

 

[Zztalk.talkzz]

That's one reason I posted this! Try and reach some small venders willing to do a little more work for use to buy there juice and stop buying others until they all do the right thing... It's not even very hard, it's all on the certificate of Authenticity they can request from suppliers (FDA regulation in place for food) its a place to start at least.

 

[zoiDman]

That's what I meant by batch# or is lot number different?

I guess when I read your OP I was looking for the word "Lot". Because indeed you did have a Batch Number for Tractability.

This is a Key Feature if there is a Problem. To know What went into a Mixture. And Who was the Person who did the Mixing.

 

[Oliver]

STANDARDS | AEMSA

 

[zoiDman]

You do have to Applaud AEMSA for drawing up a Reasonable Standard for most aspects of how e-Liquids are Handled.

If e-Liquids are going to be Allowed to be Sold in Liquid form in the future, I foresee that they will be under Government Regulations Similar to the current AEMSA Standard.

 

[Elnroth]

You do have to Applaud AEMSA for drawing up a Reasonable Standard for most aspects of how e-Liquids are Handled.

If e-Liquids are going to be Allowed to be Sold in Liquid form in the future, I foresee that they will be under Government Regulations Similar to the current AEMSA Standard.

That's if we push it. The whole WTA thing is a point of debate, especially since one of the only wta vendors I know probably has some of the best facility and manufacturing protocols in the industry. But that can be addressed later, after we deal with getting the Fda to agree to this kind of industry self regulation.

 

[TTK]

Yes, but, after all this time there are a total of 6 AEMSA Certified eliquid producers.

 

[zoiDman]

That's if we push it. The whole WTA thing is a point of debate, especially since one of the only wta vendors I know probably has some of the best facility and manufacturing protocols in the industry. But that can be addressed later, after we deal with getting the Fda to agree to this kind of industry self regulation.

Just curious...

How is this Deal going to be Done with the FDA?

For Deal Making to be Effective, BOTH sides have to be have the Ability to Walk Away from the Deal. This is what Brings the Compromises from Both Sides.

"If you give me This, I'll let you have That. Else it is No Deal and I'm Out of Here."

Voluntary Compliance to Better Labeling Standards is Something that Retail e-Liquid Vendors should have been doing for a Long Time.

Not because it has Power over the FDA. But because it is Good for the Consumer and the Responsible thing to do.

 

[zoiDman]

Yes, but, after all this time there are a total of 6 AEMSA Certified eliquid producers.

Perhaps AEMSA just came to Late?

I mean if the Standards that AEMSA formed are going to be what the FDA/Government says a e-Liquid must compile with, what is the Motivation for an e-Liquid Retailer to Cough up the Money Needed to Join AEMSA?

 

[Elnroth]

Just curious...

How is this Deal going to be Done with the FDA?

For Deal Making to be Effective, BOTH sides have to be have the Ability to Walk Away from the Deal. This is what Brings the Compromises from Both Sides.

"If you give me This, I'll let you have That. Else it is No Deal and I'm Out of Here."

It should be, we'll do this to provide safety for consumers and we get to grow our small businesses.

What the Fda hears: fda loses a massive amount of money they receive from Bp and Bt.

 

[Elnroth]

Perhaps AEMSA just came to Late?

I mean if the Standards that AEMSA formed are going to be what the FDA/Government says a e-Liquid must compile with, what is the Motivation for an e-Liquid Retailer to Cough up the Money Needed to Join AEMSA?

It's probably because vendors see the ax looming over their heads with the fda and all the state bills being thrown around. With that said, why would a vendor invest in setting up these procedures and facilities when they are just going to get crushed under the heel of big business, courtesy of our government. Some are probably just trying to make as much as they can, while they can. While others are just going waiting to see what happens.

 

[zoiDman]

...

What the Fda hears: fda loses a massive amount of money they receive from Bp and Bt.

Say What?

The Only way the FDA is going to Loss Money is by not doing the Wishes of Big Business.

And that Ain't Gonna Happen.

 

[Elnroth]

Say What?

The Only way the FDA is going to Loss Money is by not doing the Wishes of Big Business.

And that Ain't Gonna Happen.

And that will happen if they follow our wishes.

 

[zoiDman]

And that will happen if they follow our wishes.

I Hate to be the One to tell you this.

But what we Want or Wish has about Zero Influence over what the FDA Does.