Eleaf iStick "pico"

[Eskie]

Boxer makes some solid mods. The 3D printed case and look are a totally subjective thing. Some folks love them, other don't. There's the new YiHi G Class, which I have no doubt is great at TC and has all sorts of features, but again, it's a subjective call on looks.

I got my VT75 on a great sale, otherwise I probably wouldn't have gone with that mod. I know there are a bunch of very happy 75 nano owners out there as well. I think cost should be a consideration in choosing, as at this price point you do want to feel your money is well spent. I believe you mentioned Vapor Shark as well, and they have a good reputation and deserve consideration.

 

[KenD]

It should be noted that the dna75 is more limited than the dna60 in what wattages are possible with certain resistances. The 75 has a maximum output voltage of 6.2v and the 60 a maximum output of 9v.

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[ccwaters]

Boxer Mod V2 DNA60W. It is currently out of stock, but this device that runs on a single 26650 battery, as apparently many of the other Boxer Mod models do.

This one runs on a 26500. not its bigger brother the 26650. I've been waiting for a few months hoping to see inventory.

 

[billybc96]

This one runs on a 26500. not its bigger brother the 26650. I've been waiting for a few months hoping to see inventory.

I stand corrected. Thank you. I did not notice that. Since the wait for a Box Mod V2 DNA60W looks to be long, I think I have to take a pass on considering it, for now. On the other hand, I also see there are some pretty good 3D box mods available from esauce.co.uk that are very similar to the Boxer Mod devices. They have DNA and YiHi chip models (including one that uses the new YiHi 550J 200W chip), and the durability of their outer shell coloring is reportedly much better than that of the Boxer Mod devices. This model in particular interests me, the DNA 75W version that can use either one 26650 or one 18650 battery. I'd have to order from the UK, so I assume shipping time will be longer, and cost more. The price is otherwise fairly comparable to the Boxer Mod Classic DNA75W, at least when accounting for the current rate of exchange between the US dollar and British Pound.

I ended up pulling the trigger on the Rebel DNA75W box mod, which cost me about $208 total w/shipping and exchange rate. The "similar" Boxer Mod version would have been $175, plus whatever they charge for shipping (from the US). Ginger Vaper doesn't actually show how much shipping is until you make a purchase - which seems a bit lame.

The price difference would probably end up being about $30, so not a huge difference - considering either mod is considerably more expensive than an iStick Pico 75. The Rebel 3D printed box mods are colored via a much more durable (scratch and ding resistant) process, so I figured I may as well go for that if I'm spending extra bucks anyway. I'm not sure my wife would agree.

I also decided the DNA75W chipped version of this type of mod would work a little better for me compared to the SX350J V2 chipped ones, based on reviews I've seen comparing the two. Either one probably would have been fine, but the DNA 75 just appears to perform better in particular for temp controlled MTL vaping.

It will probably take at least 3 weeks to get this thing delivered from the UK. I will let you all know how it goes when the mod finally arrives.

 

[sofarsogood]

I stand corrected. Thank you. I did not notice that. Since the wait for a Box Mod V2 DNA60W looks to be long, I think I have to take a pass on considering it, for now. On the other hand, I also see there are some pretty good 3D box mods available from esauce.co.uk that are very similar to the Boxer Mod devices. They have DNA and YiHi chip models (including one that uses the new YiHi 550J 200W chip), and the durability of their outer shell coloring is reportedly much better than that of the Boxer Mod devices. This model in particular interests me, the DNA 75W version that can use either one 26650 or one 18650 battery. I'd have to order from the UK, so I assume shipping time will be longer, and cost more. The price is otherwise fairly comparable to the Boxer Mod Classic DNA75W, at least when accounting for the current rate of exchange between the US dollar and British Pound.

I ended up pulling the trigger on the Rebel DNA75W box mod, which cost me about $208 total w/shipping and exchange rate. The "similar" Boxer Mod version would have been $175, plus whatever they charge for shipping (from the US). Ginger Vaper doesn't actually show how much shipping is until you make a purchase - which seems a bit lame.

The price difference would probably end up being about $30, so not a huge difference - considering either mod is considerably more expensive than an iStick Pico 75. The Rebel 3D printed box mods are colored via a much more durable (scratch and ding resistant) process, so I figured I may as well go for that if I'm spending extra bucks anyway. I'm not sure my wife would agree.

I also decided the DNA75W chipped version of this type of mod would work a little better for me compared to the SX350J V2 chipped ones, based on reviews I've seen comparing the two. Either one probably would have been fine, but the DNA 75 just appears to perform better in particular for temp controlled MTL vaping.

It will probably take at least 3 weeks to get this thing delivered from the UK. I will let you all know how it goes when the mod finally arrives.

I passed on all the previous DNA boards because the 40 got a reputation as finiky and I never go above 30 watts and even that in temp control. I have no need for big devices. If the DNA60 board came in a Pico form factor I might be tempted but the Arctic fox firmware added a lot of value too my picos and vtc mini as they are. since i'm stockpiling $25 mods are more palatable than $100 mods.

 

[markfm]

Seriously, I've been very happy with the DNA 75, and I only vape 25w VW. Super clean power delivery, it simply runs great.

 

[sofarsogood]

Seriously, I've been very happy with the DNA 75, and I only vape 25w VW. Super clean power delivery, it simply runs great.

But for the price of a typiccal DNA mod I can gete 2-4+ picos and they are smaller than the dna mods. Not everybody wants the same things. Besides, this is a thread abut picos, not dna mods

 

[markfm]

Sorry, I'll stay away to preserve the thread purity [emoji5]

 

[ceeceeisme]

 

[TrollDragon]

Seriously, I've been very happy with the DNA 75, and I only vape 25w VW. Super clean power delivery, it simply runs great.

I agree, the DNA 75 is a great mod. The build quality, the 510 connector and overall functionality of my HCigar VT75 is head and tails over my Pico.

 

[sofarsogood]

I agree, the DNA 75 is a great mod. The build quality, the 510 connector and overall functionality of my HCigar VT75 is head and tails over my Pico.

And yet the Pico probably far out sells the HCigar. I rarely carry my vtc mini because it's taller than my pico. The Hcigar is probably taller yet. If I had the Hcigar I'd still probably carry the pico most of the time. At the moment the build I'm using is 30 guage stainless at 1.4 ohm. I believe the DNA 75 won't allow resistance above 1.0. I believe that DNA60 would allow my build but it's not offered in a form factor that interests me.

 

[TrollDragon]

And yet the Pico probably far out sells the HCigar. I rarely carry my vtc mini because it's taller than my pico. The Hcigar is probably taller yet. If I had the Hcigar I'd still probably carry the pico most of the time. At the moment the build I'm using is 30 guage stainless at 1.4 ohm. I believe the DNA 75 won't allow resistance above 1.0. I believe that DNA60 would allow my build but it's not offered in a form factor that interests me.

It is great that you really enjoy the Pico, I have a Serpent RDTA sitting on mine under TC with a NiFe70 build in it. Works like a champ and the Serpent RDA looks to be made for the Pico.

They would outsell many mods, less than $8 a kit from the wholesalers it is understandable why. Also coming from the Joyetech/Wismec/eLeaf manufacturing trinity, guarantees a solid market saturation.

The DNA 75 chip was never designed for high ohm MTL vapers. The vapers who use 0.5 ohm coils and lower were it's target market, those wanting a single battery DNA mod that could be tuned with eScribe.

 

[KenD]

And yet the Pico probably far out sells the HCigar. I rarely carry my vtc mini because it's taller than my pico. The Hcigar is probably taller yet. If I had the Hcigar I'd still probably carry the pico most of the time. At the moment the build I'm using is 30 guage stainless at 1.4 ohm. I believe the DNA 75 won't allow resistance above 1.0. I believe that DNA60 would allow my build but it's not offered in a form factor that interests me.

The Pico is considerably cheaper though - four to five Picos to a Hcigar - so that would at least partly explain why it's so popular. Don't get me wrong, I love the Pico and actually prefer Wismec/Joyetech/Eleaf chips to the DNA (I have a Reuleaux DNA200), but price needs to be noted in this particular comparison.

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[sofarsogood]

The Pico is considerably cheaper though - four to five Picos to a Hcigar - so that would at least partly explain why it's so popular. Don't get me wrong, I love the Pico and actually prefer Wismec/Joyetech/Eleaf chips to the DNA (I have a Reuleaux DNA200), but price needs to be noted in this particular comparison.

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I have a good job and low expenses. I can afford any vape gear I want. What I want is a pico and a SV rda clone.

 

[billybc96]

Seriously, I've been very happy with the DNA 75, and I only vape 25w VW. Super clean power delivery, it simply runs great.

Right. That's pretty much what I was looking for is that smooth power delivery. I'm just a mouth-to-lung guy, so no need for high wattage, thus no need for a giant 200W delivering device - or even a 75W one for that matter.

But for the price of a typiccal DNA mod I can gete 2-4+ picos and they are smaller than the dna mods. Not everybody wants the same things. Besides, this is a thread abut picos, not dna mods

Totally true. I did not mean to sabotage the thread at all. I like my two Picos a lot. The size is great. The top of mod battery cap design is convenient, though it does severely limit the size of what you can top the device with. It does however allow the use of silicone sleeves without requiring the sleeve to be removed to change the battery, which I really like. My Picos have also been very durable, still serving me well after several thousand miles of use. The buttons still don't rattle. Heck, I could go on and on about the Pico, and these days they are very cheap to boot! A great deal, which is probably why I have more than one.

But, these Picos do have their shortcomings. They are certainly small for a single 18650 battery using device, but still a bit pocket heavy for their size. Power delivery in TC mode is all over the place. Not terribly smooth - though still better than the few other inexpensive TC mods I've used before I got my first Pico. I already mentioned the (relatively minor to me) issue of how limited you are in the size of what you can top the Pico with. I've tried a couple of "Mini" tanks that just weren't quite mini enough to clear that top battery cover. That means I end up having to use narrow tanks that tend to be taller than I'd prefer - somewhat reducing the value of the Pico's short height design.

Well, we all know this stuff. I still use my Picos everyday, but now that I'm getting more into using TC I just need something that delivers power more smoothly in that mode. The Pico just doesn't do that well enough, so I'm gonna tryout a different device. The new device is a bit larger (taller anyway), but much lighter, and a little more ergonomic. I like that I won't really need to use a silicone sleeve on it either - though I could if I wanted to.

I agree, the DNA 75 is a great mod. The build quality, the 510 connector and overall functionality of my HCigar VT75 is head and tails over my Pico.

That's the sort of input I was looking for, and why I brought up this subject on this thread. I was looking for good opinions from other Pico users that have more experience with some of these higher end mods than I do.

And yet the Pico probably far out sells the HCigar. I rarely carry my vtc mini because it's taller than my pico. The Hcigar is probably taller yet. If I had the Hcigar I'd still probably carry the pico most of the time. At the moment the build I'm using is 30 guage stainless at 1.4 ohm. I believe the DNA 75 won't allow resistance above 1.0. I believe that DNA60 would allow my build but it's not offered in a form factor that interests me.

Sadly, there just aren't many DNA 60 chipped devices out there yet, but there will be eventually. I don't really need a chip that reads coils much over 1 ohm for MTL TC anyway - which I learned when I discovered the Pico can't really do that either, so I think the DNA 75 chip will be fine. I do wish the DNA 75 had Bluetooth functionality, but that's just doesn't seem to be available in a small enough form factor yet. I don't need Bluetooth anyway. It would be cool to have though. Oh well, the Pico wasn't my last mod ever, and neither will this next mod of mine.

I still want to get the resin Pico, which I think will make for a great little backup mod - even though I find I haven't really ever needed a "backup" mod ever since I stopped using eGo type devices. (All of which are now just gathering dust in a dresser drawer, along with a bunch of other e-cigarette gear I no longer use.)

 

[KenD]

I have a good job and low expenses. I can afford any vape gear I want. What I want is a pico and a SV rda clone.

I'd definitely choose a Pico over the Hcigar DNA75 as well, and the Wismec rx200 over the DNA200. And I'd likely choose a Wismec Predator over a Lost Vape Therion, though I haven't gotten my Predator yet, and won't be getting a Therion

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[billybc96]

The Pico is considerably cheaper though - four to five Picos to a Hcigar - so that would at least partly explain why it's so popular. Don't get me wrong, I love the Pico and actually prefer Wismec/Joyetech/Eleaf chips to the DNA (I have a Reuleaux DNA200), but price needs to be noted in this particular comparison.

I'd definitely choose a Pico over the Hcigar DNA75 as well, and the Wismec rx200 over the DNA200. And I'd likely choose a Wismec Predator over a Lost Vape Therion, though I haven't gotten my Predator yet, and won't be getting a Therion

What do you prefer about Wismec/Joyetech/Eleaf chips over DNA chips? Or at least over the DNA 200 chip?

Also, I've never actually checked into this previously, but do you know which chip our Pico 75s have in them? I'd be curious to look up different comparisons between these chips, as I really don't know that much about them.

 

[KenD]

What do you prefer about Wismec/Joyetech/Eleaf chips over DNA chips? Or at least over the DNA 200 chip?

Also, I've never actually checked into this previously, but do you know which chip our Pico 75s have in them? I'd be curious to look up different comparisons between these chips, as I really don't know that much about them.

For me, the Wismec rx200, iStick Pico, iStick tc100w etc have simply functioned better and more reliably than my Reuleaux DNA200 (which is, of course, also a Wismec device). Most people seem to have different experiences though.

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[gerrymi]

I also like the SMOK AL85 Alien Baby 85W TC Box Mod - mainly because of the very large, easy to read display. Other than that, both devices appear to be fairly similar performance-wise, or close enough anyway - at least for MTL vaping.

The Pico and the Smok AL85 Baby are essentially the same size...(both have a "Top-Loaded Threaded Battery Cap")...

The Pico has a small screen...the Smok AL85 Baby has a quite large screen...

The Pico can accommodate atomizers up to 23mm...the Smok AL85 Baby up to 25mm...

The Pico has a quite small Fire Button (which makes my thumb joint ache after 5-10 pushes)...the Smok AL85 Baby has a quite comfortable (and easy to find/squeeze) Firing Panel...


SMOK AL85 Alien Baby 85W TC Starter Kit Review | Spinfuel VAPE


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[GeorgeS]

My lone Pico got a weeks worth of use before getting tossed in the stash. Not a big fan of how it feels in my hand and the single cell battery life with even toodle puffing builds was unexceptable.

Oddly I found the Pico-Mega more to my liking. The size and shape plus the 26650 battery life put it on par with my other 26650 mods I have. I liked it so much I purchased 2x more of them for the stash.

Funny, since I have USB charging at my desk at work a single 18650 mod can serve as "drive duty". A Evic VTC Mini has been filling that role for sometime now. Fairly small and light (with Lemo2 mounted) the combo works without any 510 issues.

For REALLY SMALL and LIGHT I've gone with the Target Mini with a OBS Crius mounted. It will only last a few hours on a charge but with USB charging nearly everywhere the lack of size and weight (and the dual coil atomizer!) make it a very pocketable cloud producing little power house.

I've resigned to having single 18650 and smaller mAH mods as novelty items and purchase ether 26650 mods or 2x18650 mods (for the dual coil setups) so I don't feel like I'm always swapping mods for one that has a charge on it. Last summer I took a 2x26650 mod on a weekend camping trip and did not have to swap batteries. (the ultimate in battery run time)

I would not be surprised if the Pico was eLeaf's #1 selling mod. They seem to just keep coming out with new colors!