Electronic cigarette flavors are catching fire

[mpetva]

Electronic cigarette flavors are catching fire - JSOnline

 

[Zurd]

Not a bad article at all, I especially love the photo, so clean and sterile !

 

[Safira]

Speaking of photo's how did they get a picture of Sun's e-cig stash?

Good article, I do get sick of hearing/reading how the FDA found bad stuff in the tests they did. I still don't really believe their results.

 

[Slighter]

Good read, similar to this;
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-johnson-creek-firm-putting-juice-e-cigs.html

 

[Vocalek]

Speaking of photo's how did they get a picture of Sun's e-cig stash?

Good article, I do get sick of hearing/reading how the FDA found bad stuff in the tests they did. I still don't really believe their results.

I do believe FDA "detected" TSNAs in some of the cartridges, because other labs have found tiny amounts of TSNAs in the liquid. The point is that a toxicology report needs to specify quantities. There are traces of toxins in everything. Any substance, even water, can be toxic in large enough quantities.

We learned from the Health New Zealand testing that the TSNAs in the 16 mg. cartridge of Ruyan brand contains only 8 nanograms per gram of TSNAs. A comment below Table 2.2 on page 7 says that 8 ng. is equal to the amount in a medicinal nicotine patch.
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf

Knowing that, and learning that there are 11,190 ng in a single Marlboro, puts the entire issue in perspective. E-cigarette liquid is no more carcinogenic than FDA-approved NRT products and is thousands of times less carcinogenic than tobacco cigarettes.

And to add another level of safety to the picture, keep in mind that users don't drink the liquid. They vaporize it. No lab, including the FDA, has found carcinogenic substances in the vapor.

Whether or not FDA did find 1% diethylene glycol in one of the 18 cartridges tested is beside the point. It doesn't prove the products present any danger to users.

Since the toxic level of DEG is 1 ml per kilogram of body weight, at 1% it would take 100 cartridges to equal 1 ml of DEG. 1 pound = 0.45 kilos. So, to calculate how many cartridges it would take to achieve DEG toxic level for your body, multiply your weight in pounds by 45.

For example, a 150 pound person would need to vaporize 6750 cartridges in a single day to reach toxic levels of DEG. Most folks use between 1/2 and 3 cartrdiges.

 

[mpetva]

As state smoking ban nears, company touts e-cigarettes

As state smoking ban nears, company touts e-cigarettes

 

[v1John]

Vocalek, a long Marbolo could contain even more, because for analongs, the measurement is nanograms per gram. So, per gram of what? If it's per gram of analog tobacco contained, then some analogs actually contain almost two grams. The long ones can weigh 1.9 grams, I think.

So if I load my cartomizer with 24, and it replaces 7 long analogs for me, then my cartomizer is replacing:

7 x (potentially 20,000) = 140,000 (potentially)

That's just what my cartomizer is replacing, but the cartomizer may not even have 1 gram of the 24ng/g. Maybe less, how much?

[Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I think to be the case]



Not only that, but sidestream smoke contains TSNAs that actually increase in time. If you have a lab or office, and light up a cigarette, the sidestream smoke alone will cause such room to have even more NNK 2 hours after the cigarette was extinguished:

In experiments done between 1983 and 1997, Philip Morris scientists measured the concentration of NNK in sidestream smoke in a sealed stainless steel test chamber at initial particle concentrations of 24 mg/m3 over the course of 6 to 18 h. They repeatedly showed that airborne NNK concentrations in sidestream cigarette smoke can increase by 50% to 200% per hour during the first 6 h after cigarettes are extinguished. Two experiments done in a real office showed that NNK concentrations increase for the first 2 h after cigarettes are extinguished.

reference article for the above quote: Concentrations of the Carcinogen 4-(Methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-Pyridyl)-1-Butanone in Sidestream Cigarette Smoke Increase after Release into Indoor Air: Results from Unpublished Tobacco Industry Research



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[Stephra]

Maureen Busalacchi, executive director of Smoke Free Wisconsin, isn't buying it. Johnson Creek's efforts to get into the restaurant and bar business by selling the e-cigarettes and the smoke juice may confuse people. "And it's appalling they are trying to get kids addicted to nicotine," she said.

Does this feel as venomous to everyone else as it does to me?

Trying to get kids addicted? The article mentions that they've done no advertising, and they specifically mention placement in bars and taverns! I am seriously in awe of how the antis can just blatantly LIE.

This comment made me so suddenly and totally mad that I wanted to put my fist through the monitor. Appalling indeed.

 

[v1John]

I need to update my post above. If the figures given are only concentrations, then just how many grams are in an analog? If they're talking about over 10,000 ng/g of analog nicotine alone, then 1 analog has ONLYabout 1mg of nicotine, which would mean ONLY 10ng nitrosamines. That's the confusing part, but either way, one cartomizer would replace 7 of those, whether it's 7times 10 or 7times10,000.

I hope someone can clarify the situation. Is it ng/g of analog cig material? Or is it ng/g concentraion in the 1mg nicotine contained in the analog?

 

[Vocalek]

Here is the source of the data: The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: Comparison of Carcinogen Levels Shows that Electronic Cigarettes are Much Safer Than Conventional Ones

Hope that clarifies the issue for you.