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are these guys so hard up for commission on a sale that they are actually reaching out to the teens to have them buy the smokeanywhere ciggs? I bet these are the same guys that in a few months push the handcream/nailcare stands. They are so pushy they will walk away from there stand to get you to come over and hear their pitch, get physical and everything. I could just imagine how they are acting with this ecigg, activly bringing product to the people even if they are underage. Cause they need that commision so bad...the flying carpet must need a repair (sorry 
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Grrrr! When will a REALLY GOOD e-cig company step up to the plate and fight the FDA because these people are hurting our rights! not making it any easier! No I.D.? no purchase! it's that simple. Those sale's reps needs to get their act together!
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He said the e-cigarette helps people kick the real habit.
It is the same as the patch or the gum. Actually, we add the vapor to it. The smoker gets the sensation, you feel you smoke; you trick the mind, said Hakak.
Not only did the salesman make health claims saying the E-cigarette helps with influenza and pneumonia, but he sold it to our underage shopper.
Lovely. Just lovely.
It is the same as the patch or the gum. Actually, we add the vapor to it. The smoker gets the sensation, you feel you smoke; you trick the mind, said Hakak.
Not only did the salesman make health claims saying the E-cigarette helps with influenza and pneumonia, but he sold it to our underage shopper.
Lovely. Just lovely.
There is one sentence that leapt out at me in that article:-
"Today, Salmon leads the Electronic Cigarette Association with very specific rules: they don't make health claims, don't sell to minors, and say they shouldn't be sold at kiosks in the mall. And just like real cigarettes, they should not sell flavors targeting children."
When did this turnaround happen? Is it a misquote? Or has the ECA changed it's views and are now backing the "flavours are for children" argument?
"Today, Salmon leads the Electronic Cigarette Association with very specific rules: they don't make health claims, don't sell to minors, and say they shouldn't be sold at kiosks in the mall. And just like real cigarettes, they should not sell flavors targeting children."
When did this turnaround happen? Is it a misquote? Or has the ECA changed it's views and are now backing the "flavours are for children" argument?
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Hmm. If a 16-year old managed to purchase tobacco cigarettes without being asked for ID, would you say that the store was "targeting" kids? The title is misleading. It would be more accurate in that case (and in this case) to say that the 16-year old took advantage of the salesperson's lack of concientiousness.
Did the 16-year old represent himself as a tobacco smoker who wanted to quit? Because tobacco smokers are the true target market for this product. I smoked for 45 years and tried everything to quit. On March 27, 2009 I began using an electronic cigarette and have comepletely stopped smoking tobacco. Many people erroneously believe that nicotine is the harmful ingredient in tobacco smoke. It isn't.
I am getting sufficient amounts of nicotine from my electronic cigarette so that I have no desire to smoke tobacco. A couple of weeks after I switched, I tried to smoke a tobacco cigarette and couldn't do it. They taste awful to me now.
About my health? Well, my wheezing has disappeared. I can laugh now without going into a coughing jag. I was diagnosed with prehypertension before. Now my blood pressure is 117/79 and I am not on medication.
Why don't you try doing a story on how well this product works for Mommy, Daddy, Grandma, and Grandpa who would like to live a little longer and breathe easier? Two surveys of electronic cigarette users have found that 79 - 80% of regular users are able to completely stop smoking tobacco. Compare that with the 10% success rate of the FDA-approved smoking cessation product.
A product that works 800% better than the recommended treatments? Now that's a news story.
Hmm. If a 16-year old managed to purchase tobacco cigarettes without being asked for ID, would you say that the store was "targeting" kids? The title is misleading. It would be more accurate in that case (and in this case) to say that the 16-year old took advantage of the salesperson's lack of concientiousness.
Did the 16-year old represent himself as a tobacco smoker who wanted to quit? Because tobacco smokers are the true target market for this product. I smoked for 45 years and tried everything to quit. On March 27, 2009 I began using an electronic cigarette and have comepletely stopped smoking tobacco. Many people erroneously believe that nicotine is the harmful ingredient in tobacco smoke. It isn't.
I am getting sufficient amounts of nicotine from my electronic cigarette so that I have no desire to smoke tobacco. A couple of weeks after I switched, I tried to smoke a tobacco cigarette and couldn't do it. They taste awful to me now.
About my health? Well, my wheezing has disappeared. I can laugh now without going into a coughing jag. I was diagnosed with prehypertension before. Now my blood pressure is 117/79 and I am not on medication.
Why don't you try doing a story on how well this product works for Mommy, Daddy, Grandma, and Grandpa who would like to live a little longer and breathe easier? Two surveys of electronic cigarette users have found that 79 - 80% of regular users are able to completely stop smoking tobacco. Compare that with the 10% success rate of the FDA-approved smoking cessation product.
A product that works 800% better than the recommended treatments? Now that's a news story.
There is one sentence that leapt out at me in that article:-
"Today, Salmon leads the Electronic Cigarette Association with very specific rules: they don't make health claims, don't sell to minors, and say they shouldn't be sold at kiosks in the mall. And just like real cigarettes, they should not sell flavors targeting children."
When did this turnaround happen? Is it a misquote? Or has the ECA changed it's views and are now backing the "flavours are for children" argument?
I believe that this has become Mr. Salmon's viewpoint. He said in the Vaper's Place chat that he thinks that it would be a good move to stop producing non-tobacco flavored e-liquid. I do not believe that that is official ECA policy.
If you notice, the way that's worded (albeit poorly) it makes a distinction between policy and opinion. "...don't make health claims, don't sell to minors," is separated from "...shouldn't be sold at kiosks in the mall. And just like real cigarettes, they should not sell flavors targeting children." "Should" appears in the last two statements, making them ideals, not absolutes.
...right. Carry on.
Is everyone missing that the parent was there? If a product is legal, first off, and the parent approves, second..wheres the problem?
Because of these idiots in the malls, the days of us being able to buy various flavors seems like they may be numbered. We might all by DIY-ers when it comes to our juices....better to learn now, huh?
I don't get it, wine coolers some in all types of fruity flavors...then ya got the Mike's Hard Lemonade and it's sickly sweetness, and all that is perfectly fine. When are these nanny state %&#@ers going to get the hell out of our lives????
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I don't get it, wine coolers some in all types of fruity flavors...then ya got the Mike's Hard Lemonade and it's sickly sweetness, and all that is perfectly fine. When are these nanny state %&#@ers going to get the hell out of our lives????
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Let's tell the real story here. A dishonest company and a disreputable salesperson. This company uses very poor quality products and very poor sales practices to sell, period. This same approach could be the same to sell any number of products from hair care to ShamWow! Just like the TV hucksters that sell and sell, that's all this company is doing.
As for electronic cigarettes, well the FDA is backed up by Big Tobacco companies and Big Pharmaceutical companies to keep them off the market. When you have a product, like a really good e-cigarette and it helps to get people off of tobacco cigarettes, well, just think about the loss of federal and states tax revenue and the money the Pharmaceutical companies won't make and guess who will win. And the News companies like yourselves are helping them.
I smoked cigarettes for 43 years, have tried quitting a number of times, cold turkey and with medications that made me feel worse, not better. Then with the first use (yes, I said first use) of an e-cigarette I've managed to not use a tobacco cigarette in over 90 days. Wonderful, just wonderful. My blood pressure is lower, my lungs are clearer.
So do your homework, check out sites like: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ for the real story.
Let's tell the real story here. A dishonest company and a disreputable salesperson. This company uses very poor quality products and very poor sales practices to sell, period. This same approach could be the same to sell any number of products from hair care to ShamWow! Just like the TV hucksters that sell and sell, that's all this company is doing.
As for electronic cigarettes, well the FDA is backed up by Big Tobacco companies and Big Pharmaceutical companies to keep them off the market. When you have a product, like a really good e-cigarette and it helps to get people off of tobacco cigarettes, well, just think about the loss of federal and states tax revenue and the money the Pharmaceutical companies won't make and guess who will win. And the News companies like yourselves are helping them.
I smoked cigarettes for 43 years, have tried quitting a number of times, cold turkey and with medications that made me feel worse, not better. Then with the first use (yes, I said first use) of an e-cigarette I've managed to not use a tobacco cigarette in over 90 days. Wonderful, just wonderful. My blood pressure is lower, my lungs are clearer.
So do your homework, check out sites like: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ for the real story.
Well, given the fact that Matt Salmon is the spokesperson for the ECA and was speaking as such in this interview, it would appear to be policy now..... whether the rest of the ECA like it or not!
....but thanks for trying to clarify.
You know what. Screw the ECA. I hope they go under. I should start releasing PR articles saying how Matt Salmon should lose his job. they want me out of work. But when I called to ask them abotu their organization they were sure ready to take my money. Screw them.There is one sentence that leapt out at me in that article:-
"Today, Salmon leads the Electronic Cigarette Association with very specific rules: they don't make health claims, don't sell to minors, and say they shouldn't be sold at kiosks in the mall. And just like real cigarettes, they should not sell flavors targeting children."
When did this turnaround happen? Is it a misquote? Or has the ECA changed it's views and are now backing the "flavours are for children" argument?
There is one sentence that leapt out at me in that article:-
"Today, Salmon leads the Electronic Cigarette Association with very specific rules: they don't make health claims, don't sell to minors, and say they shouldn't be sold at kiosks in the mall. And just like real cigarettes, they should not sell flavors targeting children."
When did this turnaround happen? Is it a misquote? Or has the ECA changed it's views and are now backing the "flavours are for children" argument?
Yes, sadly Salmon has jumped into the "flavors are for kids" camp. Politically it's a good ploy. Its up to us to cut the legs out from under this argument. Write your representatives and tell them this is the most insane argument ever. Just because it tastes good does not mean it's for kids.
Otherwise, you won't see any politicians arguing against this. It's just too dangerous for them,I mean really,think about it,someone says "flavors target children" who wants to be the politician to come out in favor of targeting children?? Unless we stand up and say "i'm not voting for anyone who supports such an asinine and illogical argument", It's only going to get worse.
If we allow this to continue, pretty soon the temperance committees of the world are going to use it to ban everything. They already point to any advertising with "flashy colors" as being for kids and stupid people are going along with it.
"won't someone save the children??" Yes, I hope so, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, adults like colors and flavor too.
Now wait a minute, John Wickwire?? Is this guy an activist or is the news station just lazy and decided to copy a story from Kansas and misquote him. Check this out:
From a story I covered in Nov where KSHB in Kansas City did the story. Undercover Report: Selling Electronic Cigarettes to Children at the Mall | Electronic Cigarette Blog - Nov 17 09
And the quotes are almost identical in this story? They make it sound like Mr. Wickwire is a local who is concerned for his child??
I hate to sound all tin foil hat, but something isn't right here. This is a concerted effort to get bad press and the whole "selling to kids" angle is genius. And Smoking Everywhere keeps falling into their trap, as expected.
This story is just too damned identical to the Kansas City one to be coincidence. If i was a betting man, i'll bet this Wickwire is a paid hack.
When are we going to get motivated and organized like this? When is one of our "organizations" finally going to get organized enough to actually get us moving?? I keep having great hope for the ones out there, but so far all they've done is create a few pretty pictures, host a couple concerts and create a video or two.
ASH and the others are kicking our ... and are pros at this. It's time to get busy ladies and gentlemen. Or all we are going to see is more lobbying professionals in the press putting ecigs down and getting them banned to "save the children".
PS: Write the reporter and tell him what you think of his crack reporting, or rather potential plagerism of another stations story.
Reported by: Joe Ducey
Email: jducey@abc15.com
Produced by: Maria Tomasch
From a story I covered in Nov where KSHB in Kansas City did the story. Undercover Report: Selling Electronic Cigarettes to Children at the Mall | Electronic Cigarette Blog - Nov 17 09
And the quotes are almost identical in this story? They make it sound like Mr. Wickwire is a local who is concerned for his child??
I hate to sound all tin foil hat, but something isn't right here. This is a concerted effort to get bad press and the whole "selling to kids" angle is genius. And Smoking Everywhere keeps falling into their trap, as expected.
This story is just too damned identical to the Kansas City one to be coincidence. If i was a betting man, i'll bet this Wickwire is a paid hack.
When are we going to get motivated and organized like this? When is one of our "organizations" finally going to get organized enough to actually get us moving?? I keep having great hope for the ones out there, but so far all they've done is create a few pretty pictures, host a couple concerts and create a video or two.
ASH and the others are kicking our ... and are pros at this. It's time to get busy ladies and gentlemen. Or all we are going to see is more lobbying professionals in the press putting ecigs down and getting them banned to "save the children".
PS: Write the reporter and tell him what you think of his crack reporting, or rather potential plagerism of another stations story.
Reported by: Joe Ducey
Email: jducey@abc15.com
Produced by: Maria Tomasch
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If it weren't for peach, mint chocolate and french vanilla coffee, I probably wouldn't still be vaping. I really dislike the tobacco flavors.
Well, if they do ban non-tobacco flavors, smart e-cig retailers could still sell completely "unflavored" liquid and we could add our own Lorann's flavorings. Whole businesses could be built around selling pre-mixed flavorings to add to e-liquid, like those flavorings made to add to tobacco cigarettes. I have no problem adding a few drops of pre-mixed mint chocolate drops to my unflavored e-liquid, if it means keeping e-cigs available.
Maybe Matt is smart enough to know that and still look PC - and it IS important to be PC right now. We need to get legislators on our side. Not having pre-flavored, non-tobacco e-liquid flavors could help achieve that, because it takes away the "protect the children" argument of the nannies.
Well, if they do ban non-tobacco flavors, smart e-cig retailers could still sell completely "unflavored" liquid and we could add our own Lorann's flavorings. Whole businesses could be built around selling pre-mixed flavorings to add to e-liquid, like those flavorings made to add to tobacco cigarettes. I have no problem adding a few drops of pre-mixed mint chocolate drops to my unflavored e-liquid, if it means keeping e-cigs available.
Maybe Matt is smart enough to know that and still look PC - and it IS important to be PC right now. We need to get legislators on our side. Not having pre-flavored, non-tobacco e-liquid flavors could help achieve that, because it takes away the "protect the children" argument of the nannies.
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