Eliquid Dryness - need Wetting suggestions

[crxess]

Seems since I started trying my hand at mixing, most of my concoctions turn out rather dry on the tongue.

I know this isn't normal since so many of my Purchased e-liquids never leave this dryness. I must be missing something in the mixes.
I have plenty of TFA flavors and add-ins

What do you use to keep it wet and in what percentages?

Thank you,

 

[dannyv45]

Sweet cream will give it a moistness, Marshmellow will give it a thickness, EM or sweetner will give it a sweetness.

Start at 1 - 2% and add more if needed.

An important question is what flavors are you mixing and at what %.

 

[Chornbro]

what p/v ratio are you using? ^^ I think he meant EM : P

 

[crxess]

Ok, this gets complicated since I'm still in the mix/taste/tweak stages<very new> and don't have a lot of time to put in.

For standards I make all mixes @ 50/50 final - using 100mg Nic/PG/VG/Flavoring - per eJuicemeUP
Mixes vary from Basic Fruits to complex coffee failures
I have been using 1% EM in all mixes so far
Most fruits get Sweetener @ 1 drop per 5ml approximately 1%

TFA Strawberry & Cream - Very Dry
TFA Blueberry Extra - Slightly Dry
TFA Juicy Peach - Perfect

Anything with Bavarian cream seems good to go.

Most of my singles are under 10% flavor and More complex up to about 15% Total

 

[Chornbro]

Mixes vary from Basic Fruits to complex coffee failures

I lol'd.

Could just be the flavoring... TFA fruits haven't really impressed me other than the Peach. Maybe try without the 1% EM? I cant stand the stuff, to be honest... even at small percentages. Different folks seem to have different reactions to it. Have any TFA Smooth? Might round it out, moisten it up. Try another moistening/sweetening agent like marshmallow, Bavariam cream, Vanillin, Ethyl Vanillin, etc. How about an acid to balance? Citric/Malic (lemon juice, TFA Sour, LA tart + sour, etc.)

Different ratio? Personally, I love 60/40... 70/30 is pretty standard, too.

Is it steeped? Are you heating/hot-bathing your juice? I've found this to make juices really harsh which may create the illusion of a dry hit.

Just throwing ideas out there... trying to get your creative juices flowing. At the end of the day, its going to take trial and error. If you ARE doing something, try stopping. If you AREN'T doing something, give it a shot. Honestly, though... I think its the flavoring.

Hope that helps...

 

[crxess]

My bad - forgot to mention the Lemon.
Latest batch of samples, 5ml, all got 1 drop

I do have Smooth, but haven't found a good enough article on use to really understand it.

Maybe I should make a single flavor, same strength with differing additives to see what variations occur. Thing is the Trial and error routine takes so long and My work schedule leaves me little time in long gaps.

The help so far is much appreciated. always good to have fresh opinions/options.

 

[Hoosier]

Maybe I should make a single flavor, same strength with differing additives to see what variations occur. Thing is the Trial and error routine takes so long and My work schedule leaves me little time in long gaps.

Yeah, you want to be kinda' close before you start tweaking...
A fraction of 1% EM can add body, IF you're not EM sensitive. If you're EM sensitive then leave the stuff out.
Sweetener can take out dryness, IF you're not sensitive to it. Usually it just makes things sweeter and doesn't help dryness at all.

But, I've never had a fruit flavoring be dry when it was kinda' close, so never had to tweak dry out of a fruit flavored recipe...

 

[crxess]

It isn't bad, just unusual to my taste buds. May well be not adding enough sweetener. My mixes haven't really hit a sweet point yet like some of the ones I enjoyed from venders. This crawl before walking takes time.
Like I stated, Time limitations. I'm still sampling a few first batch mixes while working through my purchased supply.
Don't have to worry about running out - still over 700Ml of flavored liquids. about 65 flavors.
Sadly I don't much care for 50+ of those.

 

[JD1]

...... I do have Smooth, but haven't found a good enough article on use to really understand it. ......

Smooth is supposed to be the same thing as MTS Vape Wizard. For me, VW only works with some tobacco flavors and I've seen several posts that say the same thing. This post contains a description of VW copied from the FA site, and should apply to smooth as well.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-art-mts-vape-wizard-must-tobacco-blends.html

 

[RobertNC]

OK I only do tobaccos so this could be the result of flavor interactions that you might not encounter with fruit mixes, but on creams because I have spent a LOT of time experimenting with creams:

TFA Bavarian Creme - not bad, but to my tastes not much different than just adding EM and Ethyl Vanillin.

TFA Sweet Creme - Really liked this one, sweet but a little more vanilla note than I wanted, but good still. The problem I had was it started to get peppery.

FlavourArt Fresh Cream - Definitely another step in the right direction. Creamy, only a mild vanilla note. Less so than Sweet Creme but stillprone to becoming peppery.

TobaccoExpress Cream - not as much flavor as the others, but some creaminess and the least peppery.

The solution I found? I skip the Bavarian, but blend the other 3 creams and use that. ;-)

 

[quatro]

I am having the opposite experience! Used to get some dryness/dehydration from an e-liquid I used to buy. Ever since DIY'ing, that dryness and feeling of dehydration has disappeared. Could probably be from some ingredient used in the e-liq I was buying?

 

[RobertNC]

The only vendor I ever used was Wordup, and if I were not so determined to do this DIY thing that would probably still be my sole vendor. A lotta their juices kinda tasted the same but they were all good (a lotta my juices tend to taste the same too, they taste like ..... lol

 

[Dunder Mifflin]

I have the same problem with my juice. So, I asked the same thing in this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-flavor-add-ons-em-vw-bw-mts-acv-ect-14.html
I tried the saline and it does seem to help. I bought some 99.9% saline (eye wash) at the drug store. I added 2 drops per 10 ml and I can't taste it. It seems to make the vape more on the moist side.
Here are a couple quotes from that thread. Thanks to NamVet68 and we2rcool.

"I substitute at least 50% (or more to taste) of the EM with Marshmallow(no particular vendor - they all work about the same)...that helps a lot with "dry tongue".

I also add a touch of saline solution to my concoctions (a drop or two of .9% saline solution (Cleanoz) into 10ml is all you need - You won't really taste the salt). Besides helping "moisturize" the juice, it helps make the flavors "pop" a bit more - especially in high-VG recipes.

Works for me...."NamVet68


"The saline is an amazing goodness! Our "base" for almost everything we mix is now 80% VG with a 20% dilution (the 20% dilution is made up of 45% distilled water; 45% .9% saline; and 10% PGA). The flavors are much more *alive*, the dry mouth is lessened, and the final juice is MUCH easier on coils/wicks! The 'salt' (agree - we can't taste) is essential imo for certain flavors....particularly chocolate & bakery flavors

In the future, we'll be trying a dilution that's a higher percentage of the saline solution.

This is what we use: Saline Solution .9% 250ml ...but luckily, our local mom & pop pharmacy sell it for less than $5.00 for a liter!

Edit: Oh yes, I almost forgot...if you want a quick "tongue/mouth wetter-rejuvenator-cleanser-wiper", squirt an eyedropper full of .9% saline directly on your tongue! I rub it around with my fingers and then wipe it off with a paper towel real quick-like (if I don't do it quickly, the salt water makes me gag)...and then take a big drink of water to wash out any remaining salt. SeeyaBYE 'vapers tongue'!" we2rcool

Edit...now I wonder if I am using the wrong saline solution, hmmm

 

[shynsly]

i add .34% of TFA smooth to most of my multiple flavor mixes it didnt seem to make much difference on single flavor mixes, I started at 1% and that seemed too much, but still experimenting in the laboratory.....

 

[Proverb31]

Seems since I started trying my hand at mixing, most of my concoctions turn out rather dry on the tongue.

I know this isn't normal since so many of my Purchased e-liquids never leave this dryness. I must be missing something in the mixes.
I have plenty of TFA flavors and add-ins

What do you use to keep it wet and in what percentages?

Thank you,

Dryness is a sign of alkalinity, the perception of dryness and an acrid taste. Also high alkalinity will dry the skin because it removes the natural oils in our skin. Note that nicotine is alkaline and has a Ph of about 9... a Ph of 7 is considered natural. I saw you were adding 1 drop of lemon juice to 5 ml of liquid and that is a good start and if you juice isn't actually drying out your mouth you have reduced the alkalinity of the nicotine, but you may need more. I have not done any scientific testing, but I would suggest upping the addition of lemon juice. For 24 mg I would add two drops per 5ml and see if that helps.

 

[SouthernBliss]

Dryness is a sign of alkalinity, the perception of dryness and an acrid taste. Also high alkalinity will dry the skin because it removes the natural oils in our skin. Note that nicotine is alkaline and has a Ph of about 9... a Ph of 7 is considered natural. I saw you were adding 1 drop of lemon juice to 5 ml of liquid and that is a good start and if you juice isn't actually drying out your mouth you have reduced the alkalinity of the nicotine, but you may need more. I have not done any scientific testing, but I would suggest upping the addition of lemon juice. For 24 mg I would add two drops per 5ml and see if that helps.

I was just about to suggest something along the same lines. I even did a sort of slap dash test with the juice in my pro tank. One that has some tobacco in it and is deadly dry. I added what I am sure is at least a drop of lemon per ml and it is much less dry. On the other hand at that level of lemon I can begin to taste the acid so in a proper mix some magic mask might be necessary if the lemon (to move it to acid) was that high.