employers telling people they arent allowed to vape

[ad356]

this is really getting ridiculous. this morning i went into work and my boss points at my PV in my jacket pocket and said "we have to talk about that". he says i will not be allowed to vape on company property, that their is a no smoking policy and that vaping is in their eyes the same thing. i have worked this job for 5 months so far it has been OK until today. they changed the hand book to state that tobacco products and electronic cigarettes are to be used only in designated areas. the catch 22 is that they have no provided designate areas. he then runs his mouth and says i need "help" with my "nicotine addiction". i told him that vaping is a personal choice and that i do not have a problem with it. i also went on to tell him that i do not wish to be controlled and if you require i will walk across the street and vape. after about 20 minutes of segueing he said i can vape in my car. my feeling is this..... i show up to work ON TIME and DO MY JOB. leave me alone, its my personal choice and my life. I had a problem with smoking, it was killing me i found a much safer alternative and you do not like it??? its not their place to decide.

i do not understand why these corporate pigs think they need to control us and what we do in our lives. if i wanted "help" i would ask for it.

im going to go out on a hunch and guess that "help" would include chantex, gums, and patches...... i guess sales of NRT's are so bad they have enlisted the help of private employers. by the way i work in a milk plant, my job has nothing to do with healthcare which is the usual target for this type of corporate bullying activity.

rest assured they have a NO SMOKING policy BUT truck drivers are still smoking on the property and since they have not provided ash trays drivers toss their butts on the ground. which was their excuse for making it a no smoking plant to avoid the liter, but my reasoning is that i do not create liter.

 

[tc1]

You could always write a professional letter to corporate stating that you respect and will follow the rules set forth as company policy however you do no appreciate anyone telling you how to live a law abiding life outside of the work place. Tell them that any and all heath related diagnosis's by any non-licensed professional employed by the company is dangerous and should not be allowed.

 

[dbrandt01]

I agree it isn't the best thing and I understand the rant, but at the same time you said "It's not their place to decide". It is their place to decide being your employer. An employer can do as they please even if it doesn't make sense. At least you can vape in your car, that's not a big deal to sit in your car to do it.

 

[tc1]

I agree it isn't the best thing and I understand the rant, but at the same time you said "It's not their place to decide". It is their place to decide being your employer. An employer can do as they please even if it doesn't make sense. At least you can vape in your car, that's not a big deal to sit in your car to do it.

None the less ... a company representative who is making medical suggestions/diagnosis's without being a licensed professional is over stepping their bounds and can lead down a dangerous legal path.

 

[ad356]

i agree that if i can vape in the car its not an issue. if they go back on it and tell me that i can not vape in the car i will have yet another issue.

when i was hired i was not informed that this was going to be their policy. no mention of smoking, tobacco, or vaping was ever made.

when i said it was not their place to decide i was referring to weather or not i vape. its my decision.

unfortunately it is their property and they can govern what i do on their property HOWEVER i do not feel that they should be able to tell me that i cannot vape across the street. if i have to go to neighbor's property OR vape across the street then i would. if they allow it in the car so be it..

my boss was way out of line to tell me what i should be doing with myself and that i "have an addiction" problem. that's no his place to decide if its a problem. its my personal choice if i want to consume nicotine and how i consume nicotine, or if i vape zero nic. its my choice and my choice alone. leave me alone i do not want to be controlled

 

[bman1977]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you either have the worst employer known to man or this story is complete B.S. I'm leaning towards the latter.

 

[HecticEnergy]

It sucks, but I prefer this approach over having governments forcing these kinds of bans on private businesses


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[FlamingoTutu]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you either have the worst employer known to man or this story is complete B.S. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Wait, I hope I'm missing something, but are you saying you think ad356 is making this up?

 

[ad356]

trust me im not making this up. my boss told me he wanted me to "get help" for nicotine addiction. i do not need nor want help

 

[bman1977]

Wait, I hope I'm missing something, but are you saying you think ad356 is making this up?

You got it boss.

 

[sparkky1]

Just go in the bathroom and stealth vape, or wait till you get off work or get a job where they have designated areas .......

 

[FlamingoTutu]

trust me im not making this up. my boss told me he wanted me to "get help" for nicotine addiction. i do not need nor want help

Your boss getting help for his caffeine addiction?

 

[T4T3Z0R]

unfortunately its a privately owned company on private property. I hate that they do this to you and it makes no sense, but unfortunately they have a right to do it

 

[FlamingoTutu]

You got it boss.

Then you need to get out into the real world more often. Some employers will fire an employee for having any nicotine in their systems, period. This isn't an isolated incident.

 

[twgbonehead]

I would suggest that every time you walk to or from your car, make it a point to walk past the loading dock. Take pictures with your cellphone of the drivers smoking, and of the butts on the ground. Amass a large portfolio of such pictures.

Don't do anything with them. Yet.

When things come to a head, this will be million-dollar evidence.

 

[bman1977]

Then you need to get out into the real world more often. Some employers will fire an employee for having any nicotine in their systems, period. This isn't an isolated incident.

Fortuantely I do live in the real world. Where's the documented proof of people getting fired for having nicotine in their systems?

 

[TheJakeBailey]

i agree that if i can vape in the car its not an issue. if they go back on it and tell me that i can not vape in the car i will have yet another issue.

when i was hired i was not informed that this was going to be their policy. no mention of smoking, tobacco, or vaping was ever made.

when i said it was not their place to decide i was referring to weather or not i vape. its my decision.

unfortunately it is their property and they can govern what i do on their property HOWEVER i do not feel that they should be able to tell me that i cannot vape across the street. if i have to go to neighbor's property OR vape across the street then i would. if they allow it in the car so be it..

my boss was way out of line to tell me what i should be doing with myself and that i "have an addiction" problem. that's no his place to decide if its a problem. its my personal choice if i want to consume nicotine and how i consume nicotine, or if i vape zero nic. its my choice and my choice alone. leave me alone i do not want to be controlled

I agree with some of this. Your employer should not be giving you a medical diagnosis.

Other than that, I hate to break it to you, but you are sol. Your employer makes the rules about what occurs on company property. You have very little (more likely none) to say about it that they will give a hang about. Your company isn't bound by an employee handbook. They can change the rules whenever they want. It doesn't have to be fair, and the employees don't have to like it.


You have only a couple of choices as I see it. You can handle the siuation in an adult manner, explain your poistion to HR, and provide relevant documentation to support your stance. May or may not get the changes you want, but at least you tried.

Your other choice is to not work there. They pay you to do what you do, and follow the rules. If you can't abide by that, do what you do in a place with different rules.

 

[CharleyDanger]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you either have the worst employer known to man or this story is complete B.S. I'm leaning towards the latter.

This stuff happens all the time. Many major corporations view vaping as a tobacco product and include vaping in their no smoking policies.

 

[CMD-Ky]

If you don't like the new rules then have the intestinal fortitude to express your disapproval. You come here seeking solice, whine about corporate pigs and your life and then you will do nothing. No sympathy.

 

[T4T3Z0R]

Then you need to get out into the real world more often. Some employers will fire an employee for having any nicotine in their systems, period. This isn't an isolated incident.

That doesnt sound very legal. I have also seen no tests that test for nicotine other than a blood test. Also, having worked for a company that dealt with drug testing, i have never seen or heard of a lab that tests for it