encounter with a doctor today

[rolygate]

There are medics on both sides of this argument.

Here is a GP (general practice physician) who has opened a vape shop next to his surgery (office):
Doctor sells ecigs ...so it's fairly obvious what side he is on.

The most senior figure in tobacco control in the UK, Prof Britton of the RCP (Royal College of Physicians), says that if all smokers switched to ecigs then 5 million lives would be saved in the UK just among those alive today. It's also pretty obvious which side he is on. He's joined by Profs West, Hajek, Polosa, Flahault, Bauld, McNeill, Siegel, Phillips, Rodu and many others. Against them are people like Glantz, who are regarded as corrupt since they speak for their funders, the pharmaceutical giants, who need to protect smoking as it generates around $150 billion a year for them.

The most obvious characteristic of the average medic who is an anti is how ignorant they are of the issues. Prof Siegel says they need "a remedial course in basic science". If you ask them about the history of PG, or what medicines it is used in, and what types of use it has pharmaceutical licenses for, and the relative quantities of the different materials in vapour, they simply wouldn't have a clue - they are just repeating the poisonous commercial propaganda.

One of the weirdest effects of the propaganda has been how nicotine is perceived. It's a normal part of the diet (or should be). In a recent survey 44% of British doctors thought it was associated with cancer - which is completely wrong according to their own official clinical guidance body, NICE - "Nicotine does not cause cancer and is not associated with cancer".

This is a propaganda war and those with the most money and influence win. The facts get lost in the fog.

 

[rolygate]

Nicotine can slow healing from some surgeries. It is known that nicotine can slow healing of broken bones. I quit vaping nicotine for a month after having a rod and screws installed for a broken leg. Bones have limited blood circulation to begin with. Vasoconstriction from nicotine only complicates things.

At any rate I would put more value on what the surgeon says regarding nicotine and healing than what the anesthesiologist has to say.

Yes, this is one point of view you can find among medics. Another is that 'nicotine promotes cancer' because it promotes the growth of new blood vessels even in unwanted situations. There are multiple clinical trials that show this, and multiple claims that, as a result, nicotine 'must promote cancer'.

They can't have it both ways - either nicotine restricts healing (blood vessel regeneration) or it promotes new blood vessels - it cannot be both. The antis like to have it both ways but unfortunately you cannot argue both sides of an argument

Either nicotine restricts blood vessels or it promotes blood vessels. When the institutionally corrupt liars (aka 'medics') have figured out which it is, then maybe they can let us know.

 

[nytecrawlur]

I have asthma, and I've noticed a huge improvement in my lung function... Haven't talked to my doctor about vaping, but I could really care less about his opinion because I can actually breathe well enough to play with the kids outside. I know the positive impact vaping has had on my quality of life, and that's enough for me.

Same here. I have a low grade asthma which was made much worse with my smoking. Since I started vaping the doctor says my lungs have cleared up a lot and I'm not wheezing anymore. I have talked to my doctor about e-cigs, and like most intelligent people he agrees that they are better than cigarettes as far as he knows. Yes, nicotine is a vaso-constrictor and he recommends lowering my dosage as much as possible because I also have HBP. He also pointed out that PG/VG were used in medical inhalation devices long before e-cigs came along and were shown to be safe for inhaling, though no studies have yet been done on the long term/high usage of PG/VG. The flavorings are still kind of a sticky issue. We're learning more and more about what's safe to inhale and what's not. Basically what it comes down to is just make sure you buy your flavors/flavored juices from a knowledgeable, reputable dealer.

I agree that we don't know whether or not it's truly safe, and we won't until some long term studies are conducted and published. Until then what I do know is I feel a lot better vaping than I did smoking and that's good enough for me.

 

[Completely Average]

I had an outpaitent surgery today.The [FONT=arial, sans-serif]Anesthesia doctor asked did I smoke.I said I havent had a cig in about 25 days .Now i vape. She.She preceded to tell me that that was just as bad.They don't know the whole story yet and it could be also bad for me.I said well I'm not smoking cigs after 42 years cant be all bad.Anyone else come across this?[/FONT]

You should have told her that about 350 people die every year from anesthesia, and then asked if she can name a single person that has ever died from using an ecig.

 

[roxynoodle]

My doctor gave me directions to the closest B&M, lol! However he's happy I quit smoking, but wasn't happy I haven't dropped my nic level yet. I'm still getting strong, random cravings here and there. Maybe next month I can.

 

[cocacola31173]

thanks for all your feed back. Im going to continue to vape period.I smoked for 42 years up to 3 packs a day.I feel better now,I smell things better.My family and i went for dinner the other night.We sat in the smoking section.Only myself and fiance and one more person were in that area. We all were vaping. when we left to go out side my son told me" mom it was great to eat and not have that nasty smoke blown in my face. Thats priceless.When i continued to smoke for those 42 years i did have an idea what it was doing to my body.As im sure most of you did also.Im going to listen to myself, do whats best for me.All I know is I havent had nor wanted a cigarette in 3 weeks.For me that is a great improvment all the way around.

Where did you find a restaurant that actually still had a smoking section...Everything around here it is banned. The only time I miss my vape though when eating is when I go to a all you can eat...I miss that inbetween vape between plates! LOL

 

[Katfu37]

I had am encounter with
a doctor yesterday. She was pleased I quit smoking but told me I should quit the e cig too because "no one really knows" she wasn't rude about it, but it was still upsetting because it takes hard work to quit smoking. I feel like I need to be honest with my doctors to get appropriate medical care, but I hate the judginess!!


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[Griff.J]

Where did you find a restaurant that actually still had a smoking section...Everything around here it is banned. The only time I miss my vape though when eating is when I go to a all you can eat...I miss that inbetween vape between plates! LOL

Stealth Vape

 

[Racehorse]

I had an outpaitent surgery today.The Anesthesia doctor asked did I smoke.I said I havent had a cig in about 25 days .Now i vape. She.She preceded to tell me that that was just as bad.They don't know the whole story yet and it could be also bad for me.I said well I'm not smoking cigs after 42 years cant be all bad.Anyone else come across this?

Without going into detail, I believe she / he was shortcutting the response. Just as bad meaning that nicotine, in any form, even a patch, can be a vasoconstricter.

Back when I WAS wearing a patch, and had to have surgery, I got asked the same thing.

I didn't take it personally then, and I don't now. Anesthesiologists keep you alive while you're being operated on, the more information they have, the better they can do their job.

Sorry but if I was having surgery I have no problem volunteering that I am on nicotine replacement.

 

[Katfu37]

Sorry but if I was having surgery I have no problem volunteering that I am on nicotine replacement.

It's SO important especially during surgery that your doctors know every medication/drug you are taking. Things we don't think of could have negative effects on our bodies, even something like a garlic supplement could contribute to hemorrhage. People can put their lives at risk if they are not 100% honest with their doctors. It just sucks that we feel judged telling them the truth.



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[edyle]

I had an outpaitent surgery today.The [FONT=arial, sans-serif]Anesthesia doctor asked did I smoke.I said I havent had a cig in about 25 days .Now i vape. She.She preceded to tell me that that was just as bad.They don't know the whole story yet and it could be also bad for me.I said well I'm not smoking cigs after 42 years cant be all bad.Anyone else come across this?[/FONT]

An Anesthesiologist is not a Doctor.

 

[edyle]

Since I got my E-Cig when I go outside on break to have a vape, I have gotten a few people commenting on it, Saying "I heard those are bad for you!" While puffing away on a Cigarette.

It leaves me feeling a little dumbfounded. Of course it's not "good" for you. I'm not, and I don't think many people are grabbing E-Cigs thinking that there actually healthy for you. But it's for sure better for you then normal cigarettes.

All I know is that I feel so much better now vaping then I did with smoking. And I don't smell like an ashtray anymore either. I'm also noticing my smell and taste buds improving to what they have been for the past few years. : )

Cig smoker: "I heard those are bad for you!"
Vaper: "I heard those things are Worse!"

 

[yzer]

An Anesthesiologist is not a Doctor.

In the USA an anesthesiologist is an M.D. or D.O (doctor). In addition to completing medical school to become a doctor they must complete a four-year residency program in anesthesiology.

 

[Jaylah]

Interestingly enough, it was my own doctor that suggested e-cigs to me, after I'd tried every other way to quit analogs, and when I ended up in the hospital for 3 days with such a horrible case of bronchitis. (Which he diagnosed as COPD from smoking.)

Just had a check-up with him yesterday. He listened to my lungs, and said, "Yup, lungs are clear!"

 

[Singaw]

My doctor said he would not recommend a non-smoker begin vaping but for a 30+ year smoker like me it was probably the best decision I ever made. After six years of vaping he finally pulled the "Smoker" sticker off my medical file which meant more to me than any little sticker removal should, I was absolutely giddy.

 

[Jaylah]

After six years of vaping he finally pulled the "Smoker" sticker off my medical file which meant more to me than any little sticker removal should, I was absolutely giddy.

I would have been thrilled, too.

I've only been vaping for a couple of months and, when they gave me the print-out from my last visit yesterday, I noticed it still said, "Smoking Status: Current every Day Smoker."

I really wanted to go back and say, "But I'm not! There's a difference between vaping and smoking." But then I though since I'd only been at this for a couple of months....

So when that finally disappears from my records, I'm sure I'll be every bit as giddy!

 

[BMH70]

My wife saw her doctor yesterday and told her that she has cut back cigs to about 8 a day. Then told her she was vaping to help get off the cigs. The doctor was perfectly fine with vaping.....she just said to try and lower the nicotine level eventually! My wife also has mild high blood pressure too.

 

[amoret]

My doctors, three specialists, have all been supportive, and have me listed as a non-smoker. Two weeks ago, however, I saw a nurse practitioner for a routine prescription refill. She tried to tell me that I was still a smoker, and put that in my chart again. I had to threaten to call the specialist(s) before she said she wouldn't.

I see my neurologist again next week (same system) and will have her check to make sure that the NP didn't change my records to say I'm a smoker. It should be interesting to see what she (the neurologist) has to say if it was changed.

 

[Led Z]

OK, you can't please everyone. Many physicians are very opinionated and the wheels of change turn slowly. Be pleased with yourself and enjoy this life. Docs don't have enough time to brow beat you too bad anymore. Studies are always in the pipeline and maybe someday MOST will say that vaping is significantly safer than smoking. But nothing is completely safe.

 

[RosaJ]

My doctors, three specialists, have all been supportive, and have me listed as a non-smoker. Two weeks ago, however, I saw a nurse practitioner for a routine prescription refill. She tried to tell me that I was still a smoker, and put that in my chart again. I had to threaten to call the specialist(s) before she said she wouldn't.

I see my neurologist again next week (same system) and will have her check to make sure that the NP didn't change my records to say I'm a smoker. It should be interesting to see what she (the neurologist) has to say if it was changed.

If your records were changed by the nurse, I would call the specialist she works for and ask him/her to educate their staff and to please remove the label of "smoker." It's not your job to teach the nurse, it has to come from the doctor otherwise, she'll continue in her ignorance and go against the doctor's diagnosis.