Evolv-ing Thread

[awsum140]

One of the things that we all need to keep in mind is that in the overwhelming number of cases COVID19 is not a killer. In fact, something under 20 or 15% experience sever reactions. Of those around 1% result in death. Add in the fact that the number of tests has increased by a factor in the thousands and we see numbers of infections that can be alarming. The reality is that yes, there are many people that are infected, but only a relatively low number will experience difficulty. That isn't much consolation for those that do react badly, but some consolation for the large majority that don't experience life threatening reactions.

I don't think it can be stopped, entirely, by "social distancing" but it sure can be slowed significantly. I felt bad for the folks stuck on cruise ships which were floating petrie dishes. Now we have a land based version with New York City. The pure concentration of population there makes it inevitable that a severe problem will happen there and is happening there. The same is true of all large population centers to one degree or another.

 

[SlickWilly]

But the thing is, far more people have died from previous outbreaks including just the seasonal flu's then will die from this virus and there wasn't this panic and shutting down states. So next year when we have another seasonal flu are we now going to repeat this? Is this going to be the new normal? Other than news reports, up here in upstate NY, through personal social networks we have heard of no one getting sick. Everyone around here is wondering what the hell is going on. The panic has been drummed up, this all doesn't make sense, there's more to this story.

Also strange, look up the years every one of these killer flu's and pandemic's have come along, then look at election years...

 

[tiburonfirst]

well, awsum, it's the numbers that are scary. assuming just 50% of our population gets covid19 that's 160 million. let's be more optimistic and assume only 5% of those sick will need supportive care that's a staggering 8 million ...............

 

[tiburonfirst]

But the thing is, far more people have died from previous outbreaks including just the seasonal flu's then will die from this virus and there wasn't this panic and shutting down states. So next year when we have another seasonal flu are we now going to repeat this? Is this going to be the new normal? Other than news reports, up here in upstate NY, through personal social networks we have heard of no one getting sick. Everyone around here is wondering what the hell is going on. The panic has been drummed up, this all doesn't make sense, there's more to this story.

Also strange, look up the years every one of these killer flu's and pandemic's have come along, then look at election years...

no, willy, uncontained it'll be nothing like the flu

 

[Punk In Drublic]

The seasonal flu is well known and can be treated, there are even vaccines for certain strains. Covid-19 is new and unknown. There are many medical papers available that display how virus are classified in terms of infection rate and mortality. Not my profession so do not know how these classifications are concluded. But the seasonal flu is actually quite low on the list, despite millions contract it yearly. SARS infection rate (if memory serves me correctly) was 3 to 4x as high, and at the time I read a certain paper on Covid-19, it was estimated to be on the same level of SARS. But this was an estimate for virus has yet to run it's course.

 

[ShamrockPat]

SlickWilly IMHO this .... is real. It has spread to the US so election year comparison is not relevant.

My only thought especially for you Americans is to go to a plasma donation site. One can donate plasma every couple weeks and you get paid for it. This is especially important for those that have recovered from COVID as the antibodies are now in their plasma. This is then used to create immunoglobulin.

In Canada there are only 4 donation sites (one up in Sudbury, and no payment).

Source: My wife for the last couple weeks has been in talks with Canada Blood Supply (CBS) and top IVIG company officials.

 

[awsum140]

Unfortunately, due to medical reasons I can no longer donate blood or plasma. That might change for me, and I hope it does. I used to donate at least once a year.

Yes, the sheer numbers are what's staggering without question. But I feel the media reports only the negatives in those terms and none, absolutely none, of the positives. While a 1 or 2% death rate is actually quite high for a viral infection it isn't exactly the Armageddon that is being portrayed by the media and some politicians. I'm in a high risk group for more than one reason and am worried, but not panicked and try to use some common sense rather than run around with my hair on fire.

 

[tiburonfirst]

Unfortunately, due to medical reasons I can no longer donate blood or plasma. That might change for me, and I hope it does. I used to donate at least once a year.

Yes, the sheer numbers are what's staggering without question. But I feel the media reports only the negatives in those terms and none, absolutely none, of the positives. While a 1 or 2% death rate is actually quite high for a viral infection it isn't exactly the Armageddon that is being portrayed by the media and some politicians. I'm in a high risk group for more than one reason and am worried, but not panicked and try to use some common sense rather than run around with my hair on fire.

using common sense is about all we can do at the moment and yes, i'm proactive taking precautions. unfortunately, around here i see the opposite - it's still being downplayed as if all the world destroyed its economies for no good reason at all

 

[Steamer861]

One of the things that we all need to keep in mind is that in the overwhelming number of cases COVID19 is not a killer. In fact, something under 20 or 15% experience sever reactions. Of those around 1% result in death.

This is based on the LIES China reported on the virus!
We won't know the truth till the dust settles! If you look at what's happing in Italy a more truthful picture emerges!

In people our age, the death rate could be as high as 15%!!

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Yes, the sheer numbers are what's staggering without question. But I feel the media reports only the negatives in those terms and none, absolutely none, of the positives. While a 1 or 2% death rate is actually quite high for a viral infection it isn't exactly the Armageddon that is being portrayed by the media and some politicians. I'm in a high risk group for more than one reason and am worried, but not panicked and try to use some common sense rather than run around with my hair on fire.

Well...thats just another day with prime time media. Fear sells. Think we all witnessed that with last years vaping exploit. I get my news from LOL CATS - much more accurate for cats know everything!

 

[awsum140]

This is based on the LIES China reported on the virus!
We won't know the truth till the dust settles! If you look at what's happing in Italy a more truthful picture emerges!

In people our age, the death rate could be as high as 15%!!

We have solid number from South Korea, Italy, Spain, France, Germany, the US and the list goes on. The numbers from China were, more than likely, well understated but the health care system there is third world at best and the living conditions are the same way. The US, Canada and Europe have far more sophistication and capabilities than China does in handling something like this. Yes, it's a serious challenge and problem, but look at how fast things have ramped up here in the US. Testing, PPE and clinical trials just to name a few. Panic will not help, sober, careful, thoughtful actions by everyone is a key factor.

I have to laugh at people, like W.H.O., praising China for being able to contain things "so well". If they hadn't lied, at the beginning, things would have been contained. Then they contained it by brute force, literally beating and forcing people to abide by their, the governments, "good judgement". What a pile of crap. Now, the W.H.O. is actually complimenting President Trump for his leadership. If they weren't such a laughable organization, the W.H.O., based on idiotic political biases, that would mean something even though it's true. Their endorsement, to me, diminishes what he has accomplished.

 

[Steamer861]

You can see what's happing in Italy! 10% death rate, thats over all, in our age group mite be higher!

Coronavirus Update (Live): 490,269 Cases and 22,156 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

 

[tiburonfirst]

You can see what's happing in Italy! 10% death rate, thats over all, in our age group mite be higher!

Coronavirus Update (Live): 490,269 Cases and 22,156 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

while i think this is very serious do not forget those figures refer to diagnosed cases. i'd bet a good chunk that there are at least 10 times as many cases in italy which are not diagnosed

 

[awsum140]

Italy is a special case. The area most affected, northern Italy, has a population with a very large percentage of people over 60 and older. They are heavy tobacco users. Combine those two factors with COVID19 and you've got a very serious problem. Next add in the way the report/record these deaths...if someone dies of a heart attack AND has COVID19, even if they were showing no symptoms from COVID19, the death gets reported/recorded as a COVID19 death which skews the numbers. The media, as usual, ignores all these "little" nuances to provide maximum "drama".

 

[Steamer861]

Italians have a healthy life style & a longer life expectancy than Americans!
You can try to reason away the results, but they are weeks ahead of what's coming here!

 

[awsum140]

Yeah, reasoning that they are a much higher risk factor group, based on their own statistics, just doesn't hold water. Calm down, Steamer. Yes, it's bad, but it won't hit the numbers we've seen from Italy. Of course, in the US, if people stopped eating so poorly, fast food, junk food, convenience food, comfort food, the rate here could be significantly lower simply because people would be significantly healthier.

 

[Steamer861]

I'm hoping for the best! But expecting the worst In a perfect world this will blow over quickly, then we can deal with the world wide resection it will leave in it's wake!

 

[SlickWilly]

Well all I can say is how many more times is MSM working with the Dems gonna keep getting it wrong before people wake up? And I'll be fair, it's not just the Dems, there are Rats on both sides of the isle. I know this will be a lot to sallow if you haven't opened your eyes and stopped being spoon feed hate from MSM, I get it, I was there once too.

How did muh peach mint work out, when Shifty said he had "concrete proof Trump colluded with Russia" He headed up the muh peach mint, why didn't he bring that "concrete proof forward?
What happen to the 2 years of Muller investigations? Got nuttin, another big nuttin burger.
How the Dems make out trying to block Kavanaugh with all the lies they brought?

What happen with Hillary and the DNC paying Steele to make up a fake dossier?
The Washington Times! Dossier author secretly made false felony charges against Trump associates
Oh, get this one!--> DOJ Plane, Loading Boxes Of Evidence, Spotted Next To Clinton Foundation
Again, The Washington Times! https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ca0d4a-f1cf-11e7-97bf-bba379b809ab_story.html

And Comey covering for Hillary and the FBI forging FISA reports so the FISA courts would keep OK'ing spying on Trump while he was running for office and after? FISA is going to cut both ways, wait until that FISA report comes out, soon. The FBI was forging FISA reports And member the tarmac meeting?

And then look what they did to this guy, an American Hero, Gen Flynn oh the things that have come out about his investigators & prosecutors, lies to ruin him, but soon Justice will be righted there too and we'll find out the rest of the story.

Down the road remember Ukraine, Seth Rich, WiKi Leaks Records, FISA
What the world is going to find out will find out, it's going to change everything.

I could go on and on but it would take pages so I'll end here with this.
Why has there been a record number of sealed indictments the last two years? And more keep getting added. Go back and look at the average yearly numbers before 2017, the numbers shown below are huge! Wait till those are unsealed! Whitaker and Durham anyone? Wait til the damn burts, the Rats will try to run.

 

[tiburonfirst]

omg, willy! i have to talk to your wife asap!

 

[SlickWilly]

omg, willy! i have to talk to your wife asap!

Tibs, I posted facts with links, have you not seen this info before? If not, it's there if you choose to dig into it. As always, verify it first then discern it. You ignore if you choose, doesn't matter, it's all coming out anyways. There are way, way too many people that have starting digging the truths for themselves, they see the lies now and they are not going back now. More and more people are realizing it for the first time every day, it's growing rapidly.