Evolv-ing Thread

[Steamer861]

Well there is that $152 billion dollar industry called the PC Game market. And when I did contract work for Apple. This one Apple building had all Macs except one was a PC machine. And I asked what that one did? They said that one was running a Pitney Bowes application. Then there is EScribe (sure it limps under MacOS). Then there is third party support like scanners, printers, and other devices. They all come with Windows drivers, Mac drivers not so much. Then MacOS likes to use non-standard data files. Weird formats for video, audio, pics, database, WP, SS, etc. To be not compatible with the rest of the world. Along with their non-standard cables. Pay more and do less. Whenever I think Apple, I automatically think of what P. T. Barnum had said.

Pretty. Weak. Bill! E-Scribe works fine in OS . I’ll bet. I can find a Mac OS. Substitute for any thing you think that windows does. Exclusively! Oh btw. We do have one. PC. A monster of a Gaming Machine the youngest plays on. Brought it to the. PC shop at least. 3 times in the past few years . A broken power supply. Soft wear issues, you want me to keep going?

BTW. The. Gaming PC is by far the most expensive unit in our. House!

 

[TrollDragon]

Wow, this is too much like the old AMD vs Intel foolishness...

Funny, I don't see the Mac users complaining about updates all the time. My ancient 2006 Macbook C2D with 10.6 still works and gets on the internet just fine.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Beta v VHS

"What Sony did not take into account was what consumers wanted. While Betamax was believed to be the superior format in the minds of the public and press (due to excellent marketing by Sony), consumers wanted an affordable VCR (a VHS often cost hundreds of dollars less than a Betamax) Sony believed that having better quality recordings was the key to success, and that consumers would be willing to pay a higher retail price for this, whereas it soon became clear that consumer desire was focused more intently on recording time, lower retail price, compatibility with other machines for sharing (as VHS was becoming the format in the majority of homes), brand loyalty to companies who licensed VHS (RCA, Magnavox, Zenith, Quasar, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, even JVC itself, etc.), and compatibility for easy transfer of information."

Videotape format war - Wikipedia

 

[TrollDragon]

Digging through the storage room today I ran across a drobo box that a friend gave me quite a few years ago. I never opened it at the time, just put it in storage. Well I opened it today and found a complete drobo DRO4D inside with 4 500GB drives installed in the bays. This thing is so old that it has dual Firewire 800 and a single USB port.

I got rid of my FW controller years ago with the last LaCie drive that went to the dump and it wouldn't be fit to use off of USB 2.0... I'll hook it up and tinker for a bit, too bad there wasn't an ether port on it but I could use the Sata drives if needed.

 

[BillW50]

Beta v VHS

Yup it was nuts. I only bought Betamax and I bought movies in Betamax. That is until I couldn't find anything in Betamax anymore. Then grudgingly, I had to start buying everything in VHS. But that didn't last either. Later, I could only find movies in DVD. So once again, buying everything all over again in DVD format. But a new one is here called Blu-ray.

And you forgot about RCA's VideoDiscs. Far superior to Betamax and VHS.

 

[BillW50]

Wow, this is too much like the old AMD vs Intel foolishness...

Gosh I really hate AMD processors. Although it doesn't bother me if someone else owns them. Whenever I see a good deal on a machine and then I notice it has an AMD, instant deal breaker. The drivers were always crappy for me and caused stability problems. And while I love my Alienware Aurora M9700, they also use those crappy AMD processors. A 2.4-GHz AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML44 crap processor no less. But I still love my Alienware. Alienware's Intel version was the M9750. Unfortunately, the motherboard was crap and nobody should ever own one. And if you do, I bet you it doesn't work, right?

Funny, I don't see the Mac users complaining about updates all the time. My ancient 2006 Macbook C2D with 10.6 still works and gets on the internet just fine.

I complain about my iPhone updates all of the time. Every time I turn around, there is another update. It's actually begging me right now to install another one tonight (13.3.3). Worst thing about iPhone updates, you can't go back to a few earlier. My iPhone came with iOS v10.3 I think it was. I loved it. Now it has this iOS 13.3 bloated crap on it. This should be illegal as hell.

Say for example you buy an Acme Smart-TV. You bought it become it has a feature that allows you to turn off the smart mic and smart cam. And you absolutely love it, not even the world's greatest hacker can turn them on remotely. Then Acme does an automatic update and now that feature is gone. See! It should be illegal to force updates right? It should be called bait and switch.

 

[BillW50]

Pretty. Weak. Bill! E-Scribe works fine in OS .

I wasn't even done yet.

I’ll bet. I can find a Mac OS. Substitute for any thing you think that windows does. Exclusively!

Gosh this is so easy. Okay, RealFlight. I run that one all of the time. Here is what you need to run it.

RealFlight® 9 RC Flight Simulator - Now with Horizon Hobby®-exclusive aircraft and technologies!

Oh btw. We do have one. PC. A monster of a Gaming Machine the youngest plays on.

You need a PC for those things the Mac won't run. Just like Apple needed one to run Pitney Bowes.

Brought it to the. PC shop at least. 3 times in the past few years . A broken power supply. Soft wear issues, you want me to keep going?

Gee what did you buy? One of those Zotac ZBOX? I've done nothing to my 2007 Alienware M9700 gaming machines. They have been running for 13 years now trouble free. They cost almost as much as a Mac, but not quite.

BTW. The. Gaming PC is by far the most expensive unit in our. House!

Gosh! There are almost no PC more expensive than a Mac. What did you buy? One of those CybertronPC AMD Ryzen ThreadRipper 2990WX monsters? Those babies cost like 15G.

 

[TrollDragon]

So RF9 is an RC flight simulator? I tinkered with X Plane for a bit and MS Flight Sim back in the day.

 

[BillW50]

So RF9 is an RC flight simulator? I tinkered with X Plane for a bit and MS Flight Sim back in the day.

Yup! And yes I use all of those too. I love flight simulators. X-Plane does have a Linux version, not sure if they ever came out with a Mac version or not. I used to be a pilot until I couldn't afford it anymore. But I have been RC flying for decades too. Nowadays it is almost all drone flying. Those things practically fly themselves.

 

[BillW50]

 

[dwcraig1]

 

[dwcraig1]

The IRS "when ya gonna pay me" site finally told me when, April 30th.

 

[tiburonfirst]

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Gateway did have their share of lemons, but not all of them were horrible. Like I am a big believer in their business class M465. The laptop itself has four USB2 ports and the dock itself has four more for a total of 8 USB ports. Every port you can think of available at the time it has. The laptop also has a removable bay where you can slide in a floppy, DVD, 2nd HD, or a second battery. Very easy to upgrade through door in the bottom. They are also one of the easiest laptops I ever had to swap out hard drives. I've done it in 5 seconds. They can run Windows 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8.x, 10, or Linux. I was so impressed with my first one, I bought 7 more. And they were all manufactured back in 2007 and all are still running like new. It is very hard to complain about them.

And as much as I love my three Alienware Aurora M9700 with dual NVIDIA GeForce Go 7900 GS video cards (also manufactured in 2007). I never used them as much as I did with my Gateway M465 machines. But those Alienware Aurora are beautiful machines and a real joy to use. Kind of like driving a Ferrari.

2007 was a very good year for PC machines. My favorite of all PC years. As these machines still had it as far as compatibility with the old and also compatibility with the future. I don't think we will see another year like that one. Heck netbooks arrived and SSD started to go mainstream in that year.



Whoa here. Who does the development? The OEM has to do their own development. Then Apple takes a look at it and says yes or no. If they say yes, they charge you a fee (really a ransom) so you can now say Apple compatible. It all cost Apple nothing while raking in the money. And remember there shouldn't be any Apple. As Apple screwed up and sued Microsoft and they went broke. But Microsoft kept them going by loaning them money. All paid for by Microsoft users. Yes, you're welcome.



What choice?

• Windows runs 99% of everything.
• Apple runs 10% of everything.
• Linux runs 1% of everything.

I don't see any choice here Punk In Drublic.

8 USB port’s? Nothing special and I am sure many manufactures employed the same config at the time. The question becomes how well does the computer handle 8 USB ports all with devices connected to them. This is something Gateway or any computer manufacture can not over come for they are all bound to the limitations of the PCH chipset. If I got this right, the T7400 Intel processor for that Gateway machine employs a 667MHz FSB - hard drives, network connection, audio, USB or any other low level connection are all fighting over that measly 667MHz bus. This includes floppy and ROM drives. Nothing ground breaking here.

The fact this Gateway could run Windows, Linux or even macOS is due to all these operating systems follow the same Intel x86 architect. You could run Windows or even macOS on a Android device due to this very reason.

2007 was just another year in the life of evolving technology. At the time there may have been some impressive breakthroughs but we’ve superseded that and by vast amounts. SSD’s was a welcomed change, but still held back by the limitations of the SATA interface. They can’t hold a candle to the current M.2 or PCIe interfaces. Sure, older software may not be compatible with current OS’s or even hardware. But using a 9x developed program is your choice. For myself, antiquated software has come and gone. The 9x era was fun at the time, but pales in comparison to current software. Advancement in software development drives hardware development and vice versa – can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs.

Why should it matter if Apple charges developers a licensing fee, it’s part of their business plan. And licensing comes from all aspects of the tech industry. Opera develops a browser for Apple, they pay a license. Yahoo wants the default search for the Opera browser, they too pay a license. It is a licensing smorgasbord and everyone is throwing money at each other.

And what does court cases and investments have to do with current times. We could debate that current times could be different had MS not invest in Apple back in the 90’s, but that is not the case. Apple (although did fall on hard times at one point), thrived and became successful, and MS cashed in.

No denying MS’s market share thus having a wider range of compatible software. It wasn’t always like this, but this is the current times. 20 years from now things could be different.

That supposed 10% from Apple may not work for you, and that’s respectful – doesn’t work for me either. But it does work for many and consumers are willing to make that investment. I am not saying Apple is better than MS or even Linux – I am identifying differences, and those differences has value to consumers. I fail to see how this can be debated.

 

[mikepetro]

Just allowed my Home Automation Server (and file server) to update from Win 10 build 1809 to build 1909. The main reason I allowed is that MS kept forcing updates for 1809 and periodically I would wake up and the home automation wasnt working, go downstairs and find a FAILED update had hung on reboot. Am hoping 1909 may reduce that.

It updated to 1909 fine but it hosed my user profile, a common problem upon googling it. I was able to rebuild most of the profile, took an hour or two. Still have one USB zigbee automation gateway that it wont recognize now, a critical piece of my home automation. Everything else is running pretty smooth but I may have to roll back if I cant solve this USB gateway problem.

I "despise" forced updates. Let me pick and choose if and when I apply them. The failed updates cause me problems with my home automation, and it sucks.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Sure, older software may not be compatible with current OS’s or even hardware. But using a 9x developed program is your choice. For myself, antiquated software has come and gone. The 9x era was fun at the time, but pales in comparison to current software.

I'm stuck in XP Pro / Windows Server 2003 land. Why? Because I own business software that is specific to my trade. The software I have is still more than adequate for me. The cost of upgrading hardware pales in comparison to the cost of the same or comparable (not a lot of it out there) software that will run on modern OS's. On top of that the newer software is not owned, you pay to use it for continual monthly or yearly fees.

 

[Steamer861]

Gosh! There are almost no PC more expensive than a Mac. What did you buy? One of those CybertronPC AMD Ryzen ThreadRipper 2990WX monsters? Those babies cost like 15G.

I'm laughing so hard rite now my side hurts! Just a really good GPU costs all most as much as the Macbook pro you posted! My point is a really expensive " Windows Gaining Machine" Thats about 5 years old now has broken down at least 3 times! The Mac's just keep going

It's obvious we will never agree on this! So lets agree to disagree I like OS You like Windows & thats Fine

 

[CMD-Ky]

It boils down to need and personal preference. I personally would prefer DrDOS but I need some research software that no longer supports DOS, shocking, I know. I don't want to learn a new operating system and don't want to buy new software, I "some what" like what I have and I know it quite well.

 

[Steamer861]

That was My biggest concern, when making the switch to OS I didn't know a lot about windows, but did know a little & had to start over from scratch with OS

 

[CMD-Ky]

That was My biggest concern, when making the switch to OS I didn't know a lot about windows, but did know a little & had to start over from scratch with OS

I can't afford any more "_________ for Dummies" books.