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mikepetro

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I've never tried it but I wonder, couldn't you just buy a 3S, 4S or 5S lipo, unwrap it and reconfigure the cells to parallel?

It is certainly possible. I have actually already done it a few times back in the DNA30\40 days when building the BAP\Tibs-II.

Problem with that is separating then re-soldering the cells. I'm a little "squirrely" about soldering them, let alone taking it apart in the first place. Mr. Murphy is my constant companion. It would be so nice to find a pre-made 3000 or 4000 mah pack, but home brew looks like the only way to get 'er done in this case.

Yeah, that is the thing, soldering those things does make my backside pucker up a little, unsoldering just doubles the pucker. Also, with pre-made packs they often use a VERY good double-back adhesive tape to keeps the cells together. You most likely will have to pry those cells apart to get all the polarity tabs oriented the way you want them. Tech grade Isopropyl helps release the adhesive, but it still can be quite the bear.

Dont give up on finding a high mAh 1S lipo though, they do exist. Do consider "Hardshell" packs made for RC cars/planes etc, you just have to take the shell off - but the same adhesive issue often comes into play.

Another serious consideration is "Saddle Packs". They can sometime be misleading in the way the vendors label them, but if you study it hard you can figure it out. For example they might call "the pair" a 7.4v 2S3P, when in fact it is two separate 3.7v 1S3P packs. The nice thing about saddle packs is they are often much shorter, but also a little thicker.

For example this battery is labeled as 7.4v 2S3P, but in fact it is two separate 5000mAh 3.7v 1S3P packs (it will make 2 mods). The wiring harness they include is what puts the two packs in series to make "7.4v 2S". Look at the dimensions, 70x47x25, and remember that once you take the hard shell off it is 1-2mm more narrow and 1-2mm thinner, and 3-4mm or more shorter. Look around, this is just one example, there are more.
 
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For those of you developing enclosures for the DNA75, here is an observation worth considering.

Lipos performed better for me than 18650s did. The Lipos only had about half of the voltage sag under load (ie when firing). On the flip side, Evolv compensates for this in a way, with a lower cell soft cutoff for 18650s. So at the end of the day both solutions gave similar longevity. The Lipos didnt hit cell soft cutoff as fast because of lower voltage sag, but 18650s could run to a lower voltage than you would want to run a Lipo.

I still think Lipos are a better solution. My experience with batteries are that they perform better and last longer if you dont run them at their maximum capabilities. With an 18650 you are pretty much maxing out it's current on a regular basis. A good C rated Lipo never even breaks out a sweat, 28A doesnt come anywhere close to it's maximum current.

My :2c: for whatever it is worth....

I agree with all that, but many of us like our 18650s and your are right 75 W is a lot to ask of a single one.

I would add that preheat can put quite a load on an 18650 even when you are mainly at lower watts so don't skimp on the batteries, current delivery is probably more important than 20% more mAh. Don't be put off by that a single 18650 works very well, I am using more of the mAh from 25Rs than I do with DNA40 due to the lower cut-off. Plus there is always to option for parallel 18650.
 

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Thanks for the links, Mike. I had been looking at the hard shell stuff with the idea of removing the shell but everything I saw, casual looking not in depth, is 5000mah and up. That may prove too big, physically, for what I want to do. I'm going to wait for the enclosures to get here, then start a hard search. I'm kind of new to the LiPO world and saddle packs are a new term for me.
 

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Thanks for the links, Mike. I had been looking at the hard shell stuff with the idea of removing the shell but everything I saw, casual looking not in depth, is 5000mah and up. That may prove too big, physically, for what I want to do. I'm going to wait for the enclosures to get here, then start a hard search. I'm kind of new to the LiPO world and saddle packs are a new term for me.
That case will allow 1500mah 3s for the 200 & you only have about 38mm for batterys for a dna 40 in a SBS config.
 

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Got some vape mail today, but so as not to upset Steamer I will refrain from stating what it was. I got two of them.

To console him I will state that the Varitube 510 of the DNA75w VTC has been added to the same file collection on Thingiverse and that one was better for clearance & grounding.

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Is there no way to use the Evolv 510? I know it mite be easier just to use the Varitube 510 But to quote Mike The climb will be worth the view on this one :) the Evolv 510 is a must IMO :)
 
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Yeah I saw that the other day. Oh I should have told everybody about it? :blush:

not necessarily ;) but folks in here are always complaining that we need better batteries to save those :censored: from hurting themselves and giving vaping a bad rep. this gel idea seems to be heading that way!
 

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not necessarily ;) but folks in here are always complaining that we need better batteries to save those :censored: from hurting themselves and giving vaping a bad rep. this gel idea seems to be heading that way!
Hey.... I havent gotten on my soap box in at least a week!
 

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Hmmm, gold nanowires. Gold sounds EXPENSIVE! Maybe dilitium or unobtnium would work better?

Mike, are you saying you by soap by the case?
No, I am saying:
Mods need to be marketed that are as safe as cell phones. In other words, relatively idiot-proof.

We are far from that standard today!
 

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Just the way I felt this morning, tough decision on a Sunday, get up or sleep in a little longer. I smelled the coffee the wife made and it drew me out of bed. But I compromised, about half way through my first cup I fell back asleep in the easy chair, until the dog spotted a squirrel in the bird feeder and all hell broke loose......
 

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No, I am saying:

I was "poking fun" at the idea of gold being used in batteries on a mass market basis. That would definitely be a "tad" more expensive than lithium.

As far as safety is concerned, nothing can, or will, replace common sense. Someone, somewhere, will always find a way to abuse or mis-use a device with disastrous results no matter how carefully it may be engineered and made "idiot proof". That's not to say things couldn't be made safer, but considering the safety level of todays regulated mods versus a mechanical mod I'd say the e-cig has progressed significantly on its own as a result of fear of litigation, overall safety and market demands. Just using a battery with the output capabilities of even a standard Duracell is fraught with all kinds of dangers that we take for granted and basically ignore, let alone the enhanced output capabilities of lithium batteries.
 

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I was "poking fun" at the idea of gold being used in batteries on a mass market basis. That would definitely be a "tad" more expensive than lithium.

As far as safety is concerned, nothing can, or will, replace common sense. Someone, somewhere, will always find a way to abuse or mis-use a device with disastrous results no matter how carefully it may be engineered and made "idiot proof". That's not to say things couldn't be made safer, but considering the safety level of todays regulated mods versus a mechanical mod I'd say the e-cig has progressed significantly on its own as a result of fear of litigation, overall safety and market demands. Just using a battery with the output capabilities of even a standard Duracell is fraught with all kinds of dangers that we take for granted and basically ignore, let alone the enhanced output capabilities of lithium batteries.

And throw in the bad info that the net is plagued with. Recently I was watching a youtube video on handy tips, tricks and hacks, one of the things the guy showed was how to make a pocket/hand warmer from a double A battery and tin foil.... He wrapped the battery with the foil and said to wait a few minutes for the "warmer" to heat up. Now imagine someone thinking an 18650 would be better........
 

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If cell phone batteries started as many fires as ecigs, they would be banning them too. So the Samsungs and Apples of the world put a lot of R&D into safer batteries. Overall cell phones are considered safe, and many carry high mAh bats.

The trend to regulated devices has started that. But you still have stupid engineers designing cases with screw the pierce the lipo cells (poof). We have to evolv beyond the barely acceptable, and make our devices safe enough that it wont start fires in the airplane belly.....
 

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