Evolv-ing Thread

[SlickWilly]

What exactly does a newer version do that's actually useful or desirable? Cortana? Nope, don't need or want it. Built-in spyware? Nope, definitely don't want that.

Now I'll grant you that on a touch-screen Windows 8.1 is much better. But I only use a tablet upstairs (in the bedroom / bathroom). On a real computer, with a real keyboard and a real mouse, I see no compelling reason to run anything newer than 7 (x64 of course).

I'm with you, I have 10 on my notebook which I use in the shop if I need to look something up in a repair manual while I'm working on one of the cars and my wife's laptop has 10, but my desktop I have 7 x64 and I rather use it then the 10. I will say, they made 10 so it can run from anything on little devices almost as fast as a desktop, you can run apps or full blown software like Office so it is versatile, heck they even have moble 10 for cell phones. I still like 7 better, I'd still be using Vista if I could.

That little $100 RCA notebook runs very well and amazingly fast with 10, being a tablet/notebook it even has touch screen plus the keyboard & touchpad. https://www.walmart.com/ip/RCA-Cambio-Windows-10-Blue-2-in-1-Notebook-Tablet/45804385 It even qualified for the new update and runs it just fine which surprised the hell out of me, the update did disconnect the SD card I use for a second drive but I figured out how to get it back online, it installed a driver I had to roll back. I installed the full version of Office and some of the other software I use on my desktop just to see if it would handle it and they work just fine. In the shop I use the mini hdmi to connect it to a 20" monitor with a blue tooth mouse, comes in very handy. Sometimes I'll take a break, have coffee and a snack while watching Netflix out in the shop then back to work. I also have all my favorite rock soundtracks from the 60's to the 80's on it and patched it into my stereo system. Seeing I hadn't used the old stereo in many years I took it all out to the shop last spring, now I can crank it up and rock out the neighbors while working out there. For $100 it's been the best deal I've ever had for a computer.

 

[Steamer861]

What exactly does a newer version do that's actually useful or desirable?

Seriously? Your old OS is out of date & full of holes! NO one is fixing.
Granted there are holes in all OS's but older ones are an easier target.
Staying up to date isn't about all the new bells & whistles, it's about improved security.

 

[Rossum]

Seriously? Your old OS is out of date & full of holes! NO one is fixing.
Granted there are holes in all OS's but older ones are an easier target.
Staying up to date isn't about all the new bells & whistles, it's about improved security.

I would accept that if we were talking about XP, but we're not. We're talking about 7, which still receives security updates from MS and will until at least 2020.

 

[Steamer861]

I'm sure I don't have to tell you how things work.
If my company is working on a new thing +$$ or if we are working on maintaining an older thing -$$.
Were are the best & the brightest working? The "A Team"

 

[SlickWilly]

I'm sure I don't have to tell you how things work.
If my company is working on a new thing +$$ or if we are working on maintaining an older thing -$$.
Were are the best & the brightest working? The "A Team"

I don't know, if they are updating security patches for 10, adding them for 7 systems can't be that difficult. MS has agreed to service 7 until the end date, if they weren't I'm sure we'd be seeing reports of it plastered all over the net and they'd be sued.

ETA: It's still being sold, how could they be selling it and not support it?

 

[dwcraig1]

Yesterday just before noon both win 7 desktops at my home indicated "no internet access", Chrome worked but only IPv6 (no ipv4). IE wouldn't work at all. My laptop works perfectly on the same network. With said win 7 desktop I can ping speedtest.net in CMD and get ipv4 address' in response but get nothing with web browser. Going to run some commands in the morning when I gt home, this has really stumped me.

 

[dwcraig1]

not again

 

[mikepetro]

 

[tiburonfirst]

 

[mikepetro]

I used to have one of those machines, they seem so antiquated now. But that looks more like moonshine than coffee, at least to me. So do her eyes.

 

[tiburonfirst]

I used to have one of those machines, they seem so antiquated now. But that looks more like moonshine than coffee, at least to me. So do her eyes.

 

[SlickWilly]

Early in my wrench twisting days when I was in between jobs and needed income I took a job at Smith Corona in Cortland, NY on the assembly line for three months. It was 95% women on the line, I was surrounded by them and let me tell you, the shop talk I was accustom to in a garage didn't hold a candle to what I heard from those "ladies" eight hours a day. Daily they took pleasure talking about things that made me humble and blush, I couldn't engage them or risk being called out to the line boss who was, a women... Worst of it was if one of them came in complaining about what a boy friend or husband had done the night before, every time it quickly turned to all men were pieces of *^&% The stares and glares made me slump in my chair and I could feel the eyes burning in the back of my head.

I attached the electric motor and baler, one every 20 or so seconds, next to you was a running conveyor, you had pull the one next to you off the belt, install the parts and get it back on the conveyor before the next one got to you otherwise you'd leave an empty spot screwing up the entire line in front of you. There would be some pee'd off gals that had to catch up during break or lunch time and they'd never let you forget it. It didn't take more then a couple weeks and it became a pretty miserable place to work, I was so glad to finally land another mechanics job and get the hell out of that place, I hated working there!

 

[muzichead]

I used to have one of those machines, they seem so antiquated now. But that looks more like moonshine than coffee, at least to me. So do her eyes.

I would 2nd that as a dabbler in all things mason jar related!!

 

[TrollDragon]

I don't know, if they are updating security patches for 10, adding them for 7 systems can't be that difficult. MS has agreed to service 7 until the end date, if they weren't I'm sure we'd be seeing reports of it plastered all over the net and they'd be sued.

ETA: It's still being sold, how could they be selling it and not support it?

At the repair shop where I was a tech, we couldn't purchase any legit Windows 7 OEM installs for a few years. The owner had to resort to "reclaimed" COA's if anyone wanted 7 on a new machine.

I don't think you can still legally purchase 7 anywhere.

 

[mikepetro]

Early in my wrench twisting days when I was in between jobs and needed income I took a job at Smith Corona in Cortland, NY on the assembly line for three months. It was 95% women on the line, I was surrounded by them and let me tell you, the shop talk I was accustom to in a garage didn't hold a candle to what I heard from those "ladies" eight hours a day. Daily they took pleasure talking about things that made me humble and blush, I couldn't engage them or risk being called out to the line boss who was, a women... Worst of it was if one of them came in complaining about what a boy friend or husband had done the night before, every time it quickly turned to all men were pieces of *^&% The stares and glares made me slump in my chair and I could feel the eyes burning in the back of my head.

I attached the electric motor and baler, one every 20 or so seconds, next to you was a running conveyor, you had pull the one next to you off the belt, install the parts and get it back on the conveyor before the next one got to you otherwise you'd leave an empty spot screwing up the entire line in front of you. There would be some pee'd off gals that had to catch up during break or lunch time and they'd never let you forget it. It didn't take more then a couple weeks and it became a pretty miserable place to work, I was so glad to finally land another mechanics job and get the hell out of that place, I hated working there!

Yeah, I worked in an office next to an office full of woman, they could make a Sailor blush.

 

[SlickWilly]

At the repair shop where I was a tech, we couldn't purchase any legit Windows 7 OEM installs for a few years. The owner had to resort to "reclaimed" COA's if anyone wanted 7 on a new machine.

I don't think you can still legally purchase 7 anywhere.

Maybe they stopped selling it since last year, when I had to make a change from Vista last year I bought Win 7 Pro x64, it was not one of those "too good to be true" download and we'll email you the key websites. I ordered it online from Walmart, below is a screen shot of the purchase under my account. , it was a OEM sealed Microsoft disk, sealed with the MS Security sticker.

At the same time I wanted to keep using the MB and CPU I had but upgrade the memory and make my system faster, maybe some of you remember me asking advice on what memory I should order. Mike set me up with a few recommended memory options and advised a SSD C: drive which worked out great, only deviation from the advice was I went overboard and installed more memory then my computer will ever use. I installed 16 GB of memory, 8 would have been enough. The system usually floats around 3 gb, even when loaded with running programs I never top 5. Well unless I'm running a virtual PC, even then it uses about 6 GB. For giggles I ran two virtual's (running Win 7 virt PC's) at the same time and it just tops 10 GB. Best thing I did was going with x64 and the SSD C: drive, still amazes me how fast it will run and that's with a (now) older CPU.

I see Walmart is still selling Win 8.1

When I was forced out of Vista I really didn't care for Win 10 on my wife's laptop and I wanted to keep using Media Center to watch and record TV, 7 fit the bill perfectly, "for me".

I play with virtual pc's now and then, I have them ranging from XP to 7. I have an old Adobe photo editor program that only runs on XP so I'll fire up the virt XP so I can use it. Oracle has a great Virt PC shareware and the constantly update it VM VirtualBox | Virtualization | Oracle

And you can download preloaded Win 7 VHD files from MS, you download and SAVE the zipped files, run them and it creats the VHD file. Once you run it the key is preloaded, once activated it's good for 90 days, once it's past 90 days just run the saved zip files again and make a new VHD file. I'd download these soon, who know when MS will pull them off the web? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=11575

 

[TrollDragon]

Maybe they stopped selling it since last year, when I had to make a change from Vista last year I bought Win 7 Pro x64, it was not one of those "too good to be true" download and we'll email you the key websites. I ordered it online from Walmart, below is a screen shot of the purchase under my account. , it was a OEM sealed Microsoft disk, sealed with the MS Security sticker.

At the same time I wanted to keep using the MB and CPU I had but upgrade the memory and make my system faster, maybe some of you remember me asking advice on what memory I should order. Mike set me up with a few recommended memory options and advised a SSD C: drive which worked out great, only deviation from the advice was I went overboard and installed more memory then my computer will ever use. I installed 16 GB of memory, 8 would have been enough. The system usually floats around 3 gb, even when loaded with running programs I never top 5. Well unless I'm running a virtual PC, even then it uses about 6 GB. For giggles I ran two virtual's (running Win 7 virt PC's) at the same time and it just tops 10 GB. Best thing I did was going with x64 and the SSD C: drive, still amazes me how fast it will run and that's with a (now) older CPU.

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I see Walmart is still selling Win 8.1

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When I was forced out of Vista I really didn't care for Win 10 on my wife's laptop and I wanted to keep using Media Center to watch and record TV, 7 fit the bill perfectly, "for me".

I play with virtual pc's now and then, I have them ranging from XP to 7. I have an old Adobe photo editor program that only runs on XP so I'll fire up the virt XP so I can use it. Oracle has a great Virt PC shareware and the constantly update it VM VirtualBox | Virtualization | Oracle

And you can download preloaded Win 7 VHD files from MS, you download and SAVE the zipped files, run them and it creats the VHD file. Once you run it the key is preloaded, once activated it's good for 90 days, once it's past 90 days just run the saved zip files again and make a new VHD file. I'd download these soon, who know when MS will pull them off the web? Download Internet Explorer Application Compatibility VPC Image from Official Microsoft Download Center

Cool.

A lot of places I guess still sold retail versions. We couldn't get any OEM's to install on new builds anywhere and the owner was not going to pay retail for them.

The SSD is the greatest thing to breath new life into older gear, I have one in my Q9550 and should really pop one into my C2D Macbook. I've also played a bit with virtual OS stuff on both platforms and created many Ghost images to streamline installs across the different hardware platforms we sold. It's was nice to have a 5 min XP install from empy HD to fully configured OS, 7 took a bit longer but all of that was much better than Microsoft's idiotic image setup stuff.

Thankfully I don't play in that industry anymore as it was getting really tiresome. The "I clicked on this by accident and now I have this FBI screen..." and let me guess, you don't have a single backup of all the files it encrypted either? The majority of my day was backing up users data, installing a fresh OS and putting their apps/data back in place.

 

[TrollDragon]

Better than vape mail!

I found a 30ml bottle of Yaeliq Israel Captain that I lost in the car 8 months ago. Well steeped I put fresh Rayon in the Resurrection V1 and filled the bottle of the Wraith.

Yummy!
Israel Captain and Turkish Tobacco are excellent from Yaeliq, I be needing more of this!

 

[mikepetro]

Hmmm, me thinks this lopsided the wrong way.

 

[dwcraig1]

I got both my Win 7 desktops back working with IP v4, it was a problem with Internet Explorer. Perhaps corrupted, I don't use it but uninstalling IE 11 and reinstalling it solved the problem. I use Google Chrome.