Evolv-ing Thread

[Rossum]

One of my wife's mods is a DNA40 running a coil of Unkamen's SS430 and doing a good job of it......just saying

And it stays in TC mode?

Coupla things come to mind: IIRC, 430 has a higher TCR than the more common alloys like 316. 430 was not readily available back then. I don't remember exactly what SS I tried. I think it was 316. Then there's also the question of the DNA40 firmware. Mine were all very early ones, and we know that Evolv updated them a number of times during the product's life. Unfortunately, those boards could not be updated by the user once they left the factory.

 

[mikepetro]

Well the cat's out of the bag......

So tell us about REPLAY Mike........

Watch from 8:00

"Essentially what replay is is a recorded resistance playback control system. It makes a recording of the resistance of the coil, like if you're looking at device monitor. Then when you activate replay it targets that resistance trace rather than a power or temperature on each subsequent puff until you turn it off.

So you don't have to have multiple settings for different materials, because the control system is targeting the raw resistance, not a TCR based temperature.

It's a raster playback rather than a setting, so it captures the rise and any fluctuations of the seed puff, not just an ultimate temperature. So if you like a slow rise, it will always rise the same way (whether there's juice on the coil or not, which makes it way useful for drippers) on each puff once activated. It also does away with primer puffs once you have it set up.

It limits the max resistance, and so the max temperature, so you don't get dry hits.

It works in power and temperate modes, though it is a little redundant in temperature mode. You have to use some sort of temperature-sensitive coil or it won't activate, but it doesn't care what the material is beyond that.

In a nutshell, it's got the repeatability of temperature control without the hassle, and without tasting one-note. It's mostly something for the 85% of users who are running watts rather than temp."

 

[awsum140]

So "replay" will work in watts OR TC modes, right? I fail to see why it would be redundant in TC mode since there are, inevitably, minor variations in resistance. To me, "replay" would follow those variations as closely as it can and keep the output at the expected level even better than just "simple" TC. Maybe I'm missing something?

I rebuilt an Aromamizer V1 with dual SS430 claptons. It took 50 watts to get them to glow and there were hot spots that needed some attention. Nothing really hard to do, just another couple of steps and then wait for it to cool down again before installing wicks. It works fine but I don't see that big a difference, yet, between a well coiled and wicked single coil. Maybe I get single coils just right every time, or most times anyway, and won't see a big difference. Beats me. The mod is charging right now and given the power level it needs now, 45 watts versus 30 watts, I want it fully charged before I do a tankfull test. The jury is still out here.

 

[Steamer861]

It works fine

So it's not falling out of TC any more?

"Essentially what replay is is a recorded resistance playback control system. It makes a recording of the resistance of the coil, like if you're looking at device monitor. Then when you activate replay it targets that resistance trace rather than a power or temperature on each subsequent puff until you turn it off.

So you don't have to have multiple settings for different materials, because the control system is targeting the raw resistance, not a TCR based temperature.

It's a raster playback rather than a setting, so it captures the rise and any fluctuations of the seed puff, not just an ultimate temperature. So if you like a slow rise, it will always rise the same way (whether there's juice on the coil or not, which makes it way useful for drippers) on each puff once activated. It also does away with primer puffs once you have it set up.

It limits the max resistance, and so the max temperature, so you don't get dry hits.

It works in power and temperate modes, though it is a little redundant in temperature mode. You have to use some sort of temperature-sensitive coil or it won't activate, but it doesn't care what the material is beyond that.

In a nutshell, it's got the repeatability of temperature control without the hassle, and without tasting one-note. It's mostly something for the 85% of users who are running watts rather than temp."

Nice write up I'm layman's terms, it's some "magic" that repeats the same hit over & over.
Kind of like the Ground Hog Day movie

 

[mikepetro]

So "replay" will work in watts OR TC modes, right? I fail to see why it would be redundant in TC mode since there are, inevitably, minor variations in resistance. To me, "replay" would follow those variations as closely as it can and keep the output at the expected level even better than just "simple" TC. Maybe I'm missing something?

I rebuilt an Aromamizer V1 with dual SS430 claptons. It took 50 watts to get them to glow and there were hot spots that needed some attention. Nothing really hard to do, just another couple of steps and then wait for it to cool down again before installing wicks. It works fine but I don't see that big a difference, yet, between a well coiled and wicked single coil. Maybe I get single coils just right every time, or most times anyway, and won't see a big difference. Beats me. The mod is charging right now and given the power level it needs now, 45 watts versus 30 watts, I want it fully charged before I do a tankfull test. The jury is still out here.

It is actually good in TC mode, it levels out the quirks in coil resistance.
It is only redundant if you have a text book perfect coil/atty/mod.

 

[awsum140]

Steamer, I took about ten hits off of it setting it up and getting enough power to it to get some decent vapor and flavor. It seemed to work OK while doing that, but I won't be able to use the mod until tonight after it's fully charged again. I want to be able to run through a full tank so I get a real idea of what it's doing. It's on a DNA200 so charge rate is limited to 1 amp.

 

[Steamer861]

Hey Mike, How many amps does it charge @?
I just got the batteries for my new builds & there Huge! I'm going to need some substantial charging capabilities.

 

[dwcraig1]

And it stays in TC mode?

Coupla things come to mind: IIRC, 430 has a higher TCR than the more common alloys like 316. 430 was not readily available back then. I don't remember exactly what SS I tried. I think it was 316. Then there's also the question of the DNA40 firmware. Mine were all very early ones, and we know that Evolv updated them a number of times during the product's life. Unfortunately, those boards could not be updated by the user once they left the factory.

It stays in TC, probably due to the TCR being higher (guess)

 

[mikepetro]

Hey Mike, How many amps does it charge @?
I just got the batteries for my new builds & there Huge! I'm going to need some substantial charging capabilities.

2A (I think) or at least.

 

[mikepetro]

Here is another way of looking at it.

TI coil.
Pay attention to the "Live Ohms"
The circled one is the "seed puff", done in TC mode (but could have been done in wattage mode as well).
Then I switched to Power mode and turned replay on, and hit it in a variety of ways.

You can see where it would level out the puff especially for a VW person.

I leave mine in TC mode and turn REPLAY on and it levels out the quirks in coils changing resistance.

 

[TrollDragon]

I finally have a 75C inbound for that other 3D printed squonk box. It will be great to play with the 100W preheat option now and Replay when it comes out.

 

[Steamer861]

So Kylin Mini's, Delivered Today First impressions 2 Giant Thumbs Up! The Air Flow is really Smooth.
The Air flow is a little tiny bit more open than the Ammit 25 & the SMM, still a nice smooth restricted lung hit.
The build deck is easy to work on, the screws come in at the wrong angle, but for spaced builds it's no problem. If your using Fused Claptons, contact coils it mite distort them a bit
The "Bubble Glass" for the Win! I'm really liking it! Short Tank with pretty good Capacity (5Mills)
The Flavour notes are on par or even a bit better than the Ammit 25 & the SMM
I purposely left the juice low on the first fill, to see if they would flood/Leak on refilling, So far no leakage or flooding
I built them out with a 3mm spaced fused Ti Clapton 2 by 24 warped in 30, ohming out @ .09ish.
I stuffed as much cotton as I could, still being able to screw on the chimney.
I did this cause I was worried it would Leak/Flood, So far no Dry hits
IMO still a fairly attractive little Tank, even with the Bubble Glass
The Bubble glass looks pretty vulnerable to breakage, There is no spare, just 1 Straight & 1 Bubble glass in the package. FT had some spare Bubble Glass's in stock, I ordered a few, hope I don't need them before they arrive

I got mine @ 3F for around $25 each, I ordered them Feb 2nd & got them today,
11 days total Not Bad
I'v only been using them for the day, But if nothing changes? These are a welcome addition to my Tank Collection

If I find any Flaws later on I will post an update.

 

[ShamrockPat]

Great writeup @Steamer861. I'll harass you just before the FT coupon expires. How's it for noise? Might sound odd, but my SMM is the noisiest RTA I've ever owned, and I get better flavor from my Serpent 25 ... so it sits.

 

[TrollDragon]

Great writeup @Steamer861. I'll harass you just before the FT coupon expires. How's it for noise? Might sound odd, but my SMM is the noisiest RTA I've ever owned, and I get better flavor from my Serpent 25 ... so it sits.

Then you need a Serpent RDTA it's airflow is noisy AF!

 

[laurie9300]

I've got one coming this week too.....
....can't wait

 

[Steamer861]

Great writeup @Steamer861. I'll harass you just before the FT coupon expires. How's it for noise? Might sound odd, but my SMM is the noisiest RTA I've ever owned, and I get better flavor from my Serpent 25 ... so it sits.

I'm comparing the SMM, Ammit25 & the Kylin Mini, for Noise. TBH there's not much difference, The Kylin Mini, I can hear more air rushing in, cause it has a bit more Air flow than the other 2.
I don't find any of the three particularly loud, now the Supreme V1 with the new single coil deck is Loud!

The amount of noise the tank makes, may well be directly connected to the coil placement, so every ones results mite be different from mine

I like the SMM, for me it delivers good flavour, my biggest gripe with it is the capacity!
A bubble glass would have really helped it out, to increase capacity a few mills.
I also like the Ammit 25, it has good flavour, capacity & Air Flow, only thing it's a lot bigger than the SMM & Kylin Mini

As of now the Kylin Mini is out front for me, I like the size, capacity, flavour & Air Flow.
It's a Keeper!

 

[awsum140]

I'm using the clapton powered Aromamizer and have to say I don't see that much of a difference. It has improved since I first fired it up. I have lowered the power back down to 26 watts at 440F. I have another Aromamizer running with the same atomizer but with SS430, 5 wrap, 26 guage, coils running at 440F and it still out performs this one. I may have to fine tune the wicks. I'll see after this first tank in gone.

 

[Steamer861]

I'm using the clapton powered Aromamizer and have to say I don't see that much of a difference. It has improved since I first fired it up. I have lowered the power back down to 26 watts at 440F. I have another Aromamizer running with the same atomizer but with SS430, 5 wrap, 26 guage, coils running at 440F and it still out performs this one. I may have to fine tune the wicks. I'll see after this first tank in gone.

How about the TC? is working well now with the 430 Claptons?
To get the best performance is going to be a bit of a learning curve, just like any thing else.
I'm sure you will figure it out

 

[mikepetro]

 

[tiburonfirst]