Evolv-ing Thread

[Oliver]

have a heart, willy, and reconsider pretty sure in any other thread classy would have just deleted the post and to me that is worse than telling you: hey, fix it (with a smiley face)!
somehow, oliver will have to reconsider his stance toward the substance that contains no ... unless he is prepared to let go of a substantial amount of his ad money.
in the meanwhile, mods are caught up in that mess

Tibs - see my post above. I don't think we made any revenues from this (our network partner swears it wasn't from them).... digging deeper.

I think people know me well enough that I wouldn't knowingly run ads promoting something that's against the community rules.

That said, CBD's a weird one. It's not really a "drug" is it? More like st john's wort or something. I tried it a little while ago and it did literally nothing, but others swear by it. Sounds like every other "supplement" under the sun.

FWIW, I don't have a problem with people talking about CBD. Hell, I don't have a problem with people talking about drugs or anything they're into.

 

[tiburonfirst]

Hell, I don't have a problem with people talking about drugs or anything they're into.

you're upsetting the apple cart!

Sounds like every other "supplement" under the sun.

almost but there have been some medical trials showing results quite a bit better than what you'd expect to find with unregulated supplements. anyhow, hemp is a commercial crop grown over wide areas of the states. not sure what's happening in europe.

 

[kiba]

It may seem dry, but as an electrician I can testify that if you don't give it at least a few days to dry before putting on the plates they will stick. Not immediatey but trust me they will over time.

ok taking them back off, none of them stuck but I'd rather not do that again.

 

[mikepetro]

Tibs - see my post above. I don't think we made any revenues from this (our network partner swears it wasn't from them).... digging deeper.

I think people know me well enough that I wouldn't knowingly run ads promoting something that's against the community rules.

That said, ...'s a weird one. It's not really a "drug" is it? More like st john's wort or something. I tried it a little while ago and it did literally nothing, but others swear by it. Sounds like every other "supplement" under the sun.

FWIW, I don't have a problem with people talking about .... Hell, I don't have a problem with people talking about drugs or anything they're into.

It would be nice if the rules here reflected that a little bit more.

I dont think any of us, in this thread at least, want a free-4-all like that other popular vape site turned into. But I sure do like your "FWIW" sentiment.

 

[Oliver]

you're upsetting the apple cart!

almost but there have been some medical trials showing results quite a bit better than what you'd expect to find with unregulated supplements. anyhow, hemp is a commercial crop grown over wide areas of the states. not sure what's happening in europe.

Actually, I think CBD is very interesting. Professor David Nutt, he of the "95% safer than smoking" has done some great research on it. But I don't think it's a "drug" like, say, MJ.

 

[awsum140]

I think it's the inconsistency with the "rules" that's bothersome more than anything else.

Kiba, my big trick for taking outlet/switch plates off after a paint job is to unscrew/remove the screws then give the plate a solid tap with the rubber handle of a screwdriver. They, generally pop right off, even if the paint was fully, completely, utterly, dry when they got put back on. Works pretty well for me, anyway.

 

[Oliver]

It would be nice if the rules here reflected that a little bit more.

I dont think any of us, in this thread at least, want a free-4-all like that other popular vape site turned into. But I sure do like your "FWIW" sentiment.

Ah the forum owner's dilemma! So, my FWIW is that I really don't mind what people talk about with regards to drugs etc. And cuss words. Don't give a .....

The reason for censorship on ECF was about being a public face for vaping, at a time when we really were that (and being mindful that there were forces trying to discredit the community).

Our community still has enormous visibility, so to some extent this still applies.

But, at the end of the day, it's really about what the membership wants. So, if it's true that relaxing the naughty word censorship and figuring out a way so that people can have conversations about topics interesting to them (but perhaps not to the wider membership), then perhaps worth doing.

BUT

How do we find out? Polls don't work, and people often don't tell you how they feel.

Let's have a conversation about it.

 

[tiburonfirst]

it's a "drug" like, say, MJ.

i personally think a plant should not be classified as a drug but i have no problem admitting others might feel differently

as to rules - i always appreciated that opinions on ecf were given without resorting to profanity and hopefully, that won't ever change. enforcement there should be pretty straightforward.
as to anything else, so many times it comes back to perception and there lies the danger. broke dick and what happened here is a case in point. classy was adhering to a rule, willy saw no harm in linking to a supplier whose ads show on ecf on a steady basis. and the end result was not what any of us had wished for

 

[CMD-Ky]

You have provided "the outside" for all kinds discussions seemingly without restriction. If you try to please the crowd on the "inside", you will have neither inside nor outside, it will degenerate into the one mess. You will be on the road to destruction if the crowd is allowed to write the rules. There is a segment of our populace who have the rules presented, they read them or they don't read them. But, regardless, they join and then set about changing the forum to fit their desires. If they want to have a second unmentionable forum, let them start a second. Or they can join the original, put on the combat boots and have at it.

As always it is your forum, you can and will do as you choose. I would prefer that the noisy crowd not make the rules. If they want different rules let then go elsewhere.

PS: As @awsum140 said, I agree that the rules are inconsistently enforced.

Ah the forum owner's dilemma! So, my FWIW is that I really don't mind what people talk about with regards to drugs etc. And cuss words. Don't give a .....

The reason for censorship on ECF was about being a public face for vaping, at a time when we really were that (and being mindful that there were forces trying to discredit the community).

Our community still has enormous visibility, so to some extent this still applies.

But, at the end of the day, it's really about what the membership wants. So, if it's true that relaxing the naughty word censorship and figuring out a way so that people can have conversations about topics interesting to them (but perhaps not to the wider membership), then perhaps worth doing.

BUT

How do we find out? Polls don't work, and people often don't tell you how they feel.

Let's have a conversation about it.

 

[mikepetro]

Ah the forum owner's dilemma! So, my FWIW is that I really don't mind what people talk about with regards to drugs etc. And cuss words. Don't give a .....

The reason for censorship on ECF was about being a public face for vaping, at a time when we really were that (and being mindful that there were forces trying to discredit the community).

Our community still has enormous visibility, so to some extent this still applies.

But, at the end of the day, it's really about what the membership wants. So, if it's true that relaxing the naughty word censorship and figuring out a way so that people can have conversations about topics interesting to them (but perhaps not to the wider membership), then perhaps worth doing.

BUT

How do we find out? Polls don't work, and people often don't tell you how they feel.

Let's have a conversation about it.

Private, or start a dedicated thread to it?

If private you will only get the more outspoken folks participating, which may not represent the usership majority.

If public, it could become less than constructive.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Private, or start a dedicated thread to it?

If private you will only get the more outspoken folks participating, which may not represent the usership majority.

If public, it could become less than constructive.

Pick a small group of your most rational posters, the moderators can help that selection process. Use them to review the rules, the rules may need reformation. (I think they may need revision but do not think that should be a free for all.)

 

[Alexander Mundy]

I also don't want a free for all forum, as far as respecting each other. As far as cuss words go the morals are slowly constantly changing as to what is acceptable in general public and are also regional so good luck with that. I'm not even sure what "drug" was the start of this but if by chance CBD oil then my understanding is there is such a small amount of the psycoactive component that it isn't recreational. As far as was mentioned some posts back about MJ not being legal everywhere in the world, neither are ecigs so there you go. Classy is one of the mods that get high regard from me because of previous experiences. I think she was trying to be jovial but it went over like a turd.

I do still have a bur in my saddle over the crack down that got George banned and various modders posts deleted and or restricted but life goes on.

 

[mikepetro]

@Oliver

You may recall this from a PM you and I once had:

"One observation is that ECF has become so big that in a lot of ways it feels like bureaucracy now. For example, I printed the rules, for a verified member there are 16 pages, for a supplier there are 22. And these are solid text pages, not a lot of white space. Heck, you cant blame folks for not knowing all the rules, their eyes get glazed over reading them all. Perhaps a good objective look at them, and a little condensation. I wont get into specific rules that I might disagree with, just that they need a good objective look. Find the balance between liability, keeping things civil, and hampering the sharing of knowledge. Most of us here dont want a free-4-all like VU, so yes there has to be structure and rules. They need an overhaul though."

 

[awsum140]

I find the civility here to be a breath of fresh air. If I do feel a need to inject some profanity the !%^&^$% keys still work and the point is made without being, particularly offensive, I hope. In terms of "drugs" it becomes a very grey area, at least to me. The varying laws, nation and world wide, make defining that a little tricky to say the least. Mentioning one, as part of a conversation, is one thing versus discussing them in terms of use or effect. Honestly, I've groused about broke dick for a while just based on the name, let alone what products they may include in their product lines, and I'm anything but a prude. I don't envy your task, Oliver.

 

[SlickWilly]

Could have all been avoided if classy had just deleted the post and PM me the reason but instead she chose to admonish me in front of everyone. Look back as my post since I’ve been here, show me where I’ve been a trouble maker, you’ll find just the opposite. Classy has been dogging this thread for a long time, all the posts here are on her radar and everyone knows it. Once I voiced my displeasure at being called out publicly she then mocks me and tells me she could send me to the shed fueling it further. When I dig to why my link with “Hemp” in it caused a problem, and I find a search for Hemp comes back with 6200 hits on this forum yet I was singled out for posting a link to a seller that has linked ads here. Then her final shot was to call me a baby.


Look, I have no problem with rules, trying to know what the rules are here is impossible so I let common sense be my guide, if I break one once in a while it surely isn’t intentional! And my post with the links showed I was clearly trying NOT to break one! It could have been handled different and without escalation but classy couldn’t handle it that way. Yeah I know, it’s easier to let a few leave then it is to find a mod so it’s up to you, delete my account it you choose, I won’t lose any sleep over it, I’ll spend my time elsewhere but at 60 years old I won’t be talked down to, I give the respect I receive.

 

[Boobsley]

Don’t go Willy, we love you. I don’t post much, but do follow this thread & love your input.
I know Classy to by fair, & fun from all the threads I follow. I do believe she was trying to be light hearted about it, but can see how you could have taken it the way you have.

 

[mackman]

Slick I emphasize with your mindset regarding the situation but I personally never took Classie's comments as a personal assault/mocking of you; far from it I thought it was handled well. We all welcome your insight and knowledge that you contribute to ECF and its members.

 

[classwife]

Willy Willy...ohmygosh...what is going on ?
I would have done the same thing with Mike or Tibs or anyone else in here.
I thought we were all on friendly terms here.

Of course I hang out here...I have an Evolv DNA - I have an interest just like everyone else here.
I wasn't mocking you, I would never do that...I was trying to lighten you up since you said "Well go ahead and BAN me"
Good grief...ban you for what ?

Yes, of course hemp is mentioned on the forum thousands of times. - people use it as wick.

Here is your post and it's edit before you removed it completely :

And everything was fine here :

Sorry!!!! Gee, I thought I was doing the right thing by hiding the link, excuse me! I'll delete it right now. tibs was interested in this to help her husband, it's medical. It was even suggested to me by my doctor to help with my chronic pain as an alternative to the opioid pain meds I've lived on for many years! Well go ahead and BAN me!

..and then what the heck happened ?

And where the Sam Hill did I call you a baby ? Never !

I thought we were all on friendly terms here - It looks like I was wrong

(and I am older than you)

 

[CMD-Ky]

It is so easy to misinterpret the written word. It happens without intent. We have been cross ways a couple of times I have found you to be pretty easy going - certainly never mocking.

Willy Willy...ohmygosh...what is going on ?
I would have done the same thing with Mike or Tibs or anyone else in here.
I thought we were all on friendly terms here.

Of course I hang out here...I have an Evolv DNA - I have an interest just like everyone else here.
I wasn't mocking you, I would never do that...I was trying to lighten you up since you said "Well go ahead and BAN me"
Good grief...ban you for what ?

Yes, of course hemp is mentioned on the forum thousands of times. - people use it as wick.

Here is your post and it's edit before you removed it completely :

And everything was fine here :



..and then what the heck happened ?

And where the Sam Hill did I call you a baby ? Never !

I thought we were all on friendly terms here - It looks like I was wrong

(and I am older than you)

 

[mikepetro]

My GF and I had to stop using Instant Messenger. On more than one occasion things escalated way beyond anything intended. The written word, without audible tone of voice, or body language, was easily misunderstood by both of us. Light hearted things (or typos) got misinterpreted as snipes, and next thing you know we are in a full blown nuclear meltdown. We finally just both agreed to quit using it.