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I hate to say it but health care has gotten expensive because we have so many treatments and so many specialised machines that are mega expensive. Why so expensive? Case in point, my Daughter's MS intravenous drugs are charged at $20K a month. The system to get them to approval probably cost $500M or more and legal liabilities must run the company that make it into the millions a month. She doesn't pay $20K a month so others money in insurance payments has to cover it. This presents a Libertarian thinking person (myself although not straight party lines, I'm not a member of any political party) with a true dilemma. Without the drugs she would be at best bedridden or at worst dead. Do I wish that, selfishly no but it still pains me that others pay for it. Another instance is the MRI machine. The guy whom envisioned it and created the first prototype (despite opposition from the medical and industrial community) did so because he had a vision of everyone being able to have routine scans for catching cancer early. Darn things are so expensive they are only used for diagnosis instead. For the sorted story of what happened read "A Machine Called Indomitable".
Yes, to some extent, our technical ability to provide "care" has outstripped our ability to pay for it. However there are a lot of other factors behind the outrageously high prices in the US. In a nutshell, we've allowed (and even encouraged) "Health care" (service providers, insurers, and the pharma industry) to form a giant cartel without any real competition.
 

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I agree and would add that so long as third party payers exist then there is no consumer incentive to shop price. Then to that I would add one more, if a consumer is interested in cost control it is very very difficult, if not impossible in some cases, to price compare. Both are by design - it is not a bug, it is a feature.

Yes, to some extent, our technical ability to provide "care" has outstripped our ability to pay for it. However there are a lot of other factors behind the outrageously high prices in the US. In a nutshell, we've allowed (and even encouraged) "Health care" (service providers, insurers, and the pharma industry) to form a giant cartel without any real competition.
 

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Anyone heard of your back swelling overnight? Because of my bad back I often have to sleep in my easy chair, when I woke up this morning I got up, fixed a cup of coffee and sat down at the kitchen table. When I sat back against the hard chair it felt like there was a rolled up towel behind my mid back, I reached around and found nothing. Then I ran my hand over my back and discovered it's swollen like a balloon mid back down, no pain, no discoloration, just swollen like someone who had a bad reaction from a bee sting. I feel fine, not sure what to make of it, never had anything like this happen before, WTH? Guess I'll take a couple benadryl, hate them because they make me sleepy.
 

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    Up here in the Great White North, healthcare is not quite as rosy as you think.
    The Federal Government divvies out money to each individual Province (States you 'Mericans)
    Provinces decide how the funds are used.
    There is no compensation or support for being given a bad vaccine. Hell, in my Province there are no clear procedures for reporting side effects to become part of a reportable statistic.

    In Ontario
    Yes, we can freely choose our Doctor (if they're taking New patients)
    Any specialist needed requires a referral.
    Some referral call-backs can take a month. An appointment can take over 6 months. To by-pass all delays just go to a Hospital walk-in.
    I've never seen a bill or statement informing me of visits I've made, so no idea if anyone's scamming the system.
     

    SlickWilly

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    willy, anytime i ever had a swelling there was a good reason for it! ;)

    A good reason I can take, a bad reason is what I fear LoL. I took the benadryl, probably going to be napping soon, they make me sleepy. I'll see what happens, hate the thought of having to make a trip to the doctors, hate it......
     

    Steamer861

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    Some referral call-backs can take a month. An appointment can take over 6 months.

    That can depend on were you are in the Province of Ontario.
    I have never waited for over a few weeks for a Specialist referral/ Appointment :)
    I was just rushed in to a Cardiologist in less than a week for a test required for my drivers licence :)
    Some people complain about our Health Care System? I have never had any issues :)
     

    SlickWilly

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    That can depend on were you are in the Province of Ontario.
    I have never waited for over a few weeks for a Specialist referral/ Appointment :)
    I was just rushed in to a Cardiologist in less than a week for a test required for my drivers licence :)
    Some people complain about our Health Care System? I have never had any issues :)

    I think that's the reason why opinion's vary so much with health care no matter where you live, what's worked well for you in the past is what you'll be happy with. There is no perfect solution or system and those without deep pockets are likely to be the ones most impacted. Even with more coverage for more people with this obama care, the high deductibles that go with these plans is not going to keep you out of debt if you have a major illness. So yeah, a lot more people have coverage, but if they end up facing something major they still will be hit with a lot of debt and they are the ones that can least afford it.

    I just can't see this being resolved in my lifetime, too many people trying to manipulate new laws and regulations to benefit themselves, they don't have the best interest of the people in mind otherwise it would have been solved long ago. There's way too many people in power that like to keep their power while lining their pockets, term limits would be the first step to solving a lot of problems, not just health care.
     

    SlickWilly

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    Just 15 years ago we still had a woman doctor in the next village over, she too was an German gal, an older lady, very kind, soft spoken person. She was a true country doctor, had an office in her house, no computer system, all files where paper and hand written. When my wife and I first got married we didn't have insurance so we use to go to her. She charged $15 for a office visit, maybe a little more if it took longer but I never paid more then $25. She would also make home visits on Wednesdays and Saturdays for the elderly that just need checking on, she really was a nice gal, we were sorry to see her retire, the last of her kind around here.
     

    TrollDragon

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    Yes @SlickWilly our sales tax and other taxes go to cover the heath care system.

    The wife waited 6 months for a specialist to perform a double arthrodesis on her foot for severe PTTD. The referrals were very quick from her GP to one specialist who said "W T F" you need to see this other guy, he's the only surgeon in the province who does that kind of work.
     
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    TrollDragon

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    And back to vaping... ;)
    Hotcig Castle on the 75C squonker, it's an amazing little RDA.
    Castle.jpg
     

    TrollDragon

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    Love the retro look. :thumb: And the screen icon, did you make that? :)
    It's a 3D printed squonk case from Analog Box Mods, he sprays them with truck bed liner after they are printed.

    Install your own parts and go. ;)

    DNA75C.jpg

    Sorry for the lowrez web cam pics...

    It is an image from the interwebs, hard to find pictures that will scale down to 80x80 decently.
     

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