Evolv-ing Thread

[SlickWilly]

Can someone tell me why this is being said?
"This Salted Edition is made with nicotine salts and are ONLY for closed loop systems like the Suorin Air, Vagon and Drop. DO NOT use this juice in your regular sub ohm vape devices!"

Nicotine salts are much higher in nicotine, meant to be used with devices that give much less vapor then what we are use to, more nic per hit and vaping less. I have seen them being sold in ranges from 30mg to 100mg, vaping 100mg in a sub-ohm setup like we use would be overkill, could be dangerous. FYI nicotine is a poison at higher doses, there is a section in The Anarchist Cookbook on how to kill someone using nicotine. I'm not a fan at the idea of putting these juices out there, I see a danger in people using them incorrectly and the potential of harm. I also worry little kids could get their hands on bottles of these high nic juices, how much would it take to make a kid sick or worse. Yeah I know, "keep stuff out of reach of little kids", it's a common phrase used by a lot of people who never raised kids, they find ways to get into everything, everything......

 

[Rossum]

Nicotine salts are much higher in nicotine, meant to be used with devices that give much less vapor then what we are use to, more nic per hit and vaping less. I have seen them being sold in ranges from 30mg to 100mg, vaping 100mg in a sub-ohm setup like we use would be overkill, could be dangerous. FYI nicotine is a poison at higher doses, there is a section in The Anarchist Cookbook on how to kill someone using nicotine. I'm not a fan at the idea of putting these juices out there, I see a danger in people using them incorrectly and the potential of harm. I also worry little kids could get their hands on bottles of these high nic juices, how much would it take to make a kid sick or worse. Yeah I know, "keep stuff out of reach of little kids", it's a common phrase used by a lot of people who never raised kids, they find ways to get into everything, everything......

Meh. This strikes me as akin to saying, "Beer and wine are OK, but I'm not a fan at the idea of putting Bacardi 151 out there".

 

[cigatron]

Nicotine salts are much higher in nicotine

I hadn't noticed. Last time I looked it was available up to 100mg/ml, same as regular nic. The nic salt I had was mixed down to 12mg/ml. I vape 3nic or less so few toots of that was too much for me, same as it would have been with regular nic. There's nothing more dangerous about salts vs. regular nic imo. It can all be lethal if consumed in great enough quantity.

 

[kiba]

Meh. This strikes me as akin to saying, "Beer and wine are OK, but I'm not a fan at the idea of putting Bacardi 151 out there".

In college I had a good freind die of alchohol poisoning in her sleep after drinking a bunch of jungle juice mixed w/ 151 at a frat party, it was me & my roommate who found her... So I wouldn't disagree, tbh kind of opposed to alcohol in general being sold without a prescription based on how many people die from it directly or indirectly.

 

[awsum140]

The problem, nicotine, alcohol, drugs, yadda yadda, all boils down to personal responsibility. The problem being people don't understand the inherent dangers since so much has become "normal". It really frosts my cookies that there's a push on to legalize wacky weed and ban tobacco. Tobacco may kill you, and potentially others with second hand byproducts, but the weed can do the same, and kill others in the process. Medicinal use, sure, in a pill form with a prescription.

 

[dwcraig1]

Can someone tell me why this is being said?
"This Salted Edition is made with nicotine salts and are ONLY for closed loop systems like the Suorin Air, Vagon and Drop. DO NOT use this juice in your regular sub ohm vape devices!"

Ya, so I went back and read the ad "better", I missed that they were talking % while I was thinking Mg

 

[BillW50]

Yeah I don't know much about weed except when I experimented a little when I was in my teens. And all I recall was it made you super careful about anything, sink into deep narrow thoughts, and all snacks around are in danger of being eating. Otherwise I listen to a lot of podcasts and the weed topic comes up now and then. And it is said to be useful for so many different things. Fuel, paper, rope, clothes, medical, and so on. But I really have no idea, maybe. Another thing I hear is nobody ever died from weed.

When I was in the military at 18 years old, I was assigned mess duty for a month. It was horrible! I don't recall if I worked 18 or 20 hours a day, but it was a lot. And after 2 or 3 days I was telling one of my friends that was basically a zombie all of the time. He told me that I needed to drink some Bacardi before going to sleep and it will help. Nothing to lose I guess and I tried it. And it really worked. I must have slept deeper and didn't need as much sleep. How I ever got up in 3 hours and gone back to work again I have no idea. Today there is no way I could pull that off again.

Ah nicotine! Virtually everywhere you read by people who has no real experience will tell you to wash your hands immediately after touching tobacco. Otherwise your skin will absorbed the nicotine. And I did buy tobacco for awhile and rolled my own for awhile. And I thought why wash off nicotine as that is what I wanted? So I stopped and I didn't really see any difference if I did or didn't.

Then I chatted with those that worked in tobacco fields. And then they said if you have no nicotine exposure, wear gloves. As you could get very sick. But those that has been working in the fields for many years will skip the gloves and just work bare handed. And they are perfectly fine. So I think that is true about almost anything. It all depends on people's tolerance.

 

[awsum140]

Problem is that tolerance of many things is more like controlling the outward signs or visible, effects.

 

[BillW50]

Problem is that tolerance of many things is more like controlling the outward signs or visible, effects.

Really? For example I just love caffeine and nicotine. I can't imagine living without either one. And neither one has anything to do with outward signs, but how I am feeling. And I had too much caffeine or nicotine before and the worst that ever happened is that I don't want anymore for awhile.

 

[awsum140]

What I'm saying is that being used to the effects is not actually tolerance. I had some friends who loved their "cocktails", from when they got up until they went to bed again. They were, literally, drunk by noon, but to the outside world didn't show it. The effects were the same, they were drunk, they just learned how to hide the external signs. The body will adjust, on its own, to many things, but the effects are still the same. For example higher blood pressure and heart rate from caffeine and nicotine. No outward signs and you never notice, unless you check before and after using/consuming them.

 

[BillW50]

Yeah I am about 50/50 about what you said. As I think some people could drink all of the time and never get drunk (well if they pushed harder then okay). Then there are others who would be always be drunk. And I have seen many who would really get drunk so I don't even question it. But there are a few that seems immune to the effects of alcohol. And I have seen this too. Kind of like smokers where 1/3rd of them suffer from the harmful effects and 2/3rds doesn't. George Burns always joked about his doctors told him to stop smoking and he outlived them all. Yes he finally died and I think he was at 99 years old. But it had nothing to do with smoking.

 

[tiburonfirst]

 

[mikepetro]

 

[kiba]

The problem, nicotine, alcohol, drugs, yadda yadda, all boils down to personal responsibility. The problem being people don't understand the inherent dangers since so much has become "normal". It really frosts my cookies that there's a push on to legalize wacky weed and ban tobacco. Tobacco may kill you, and potentially others with second hand byproducts, but the weed can do the same, and kill others in the process. Medicinal use, sure, in a pill form with a prescription.

I think it's important to draw the distinction between harmless/harmful & addictive/non-addictive. By those criteria I'd consider it a better candidate for non-prescription use than nic or alcohol, bc as far as I know, nobody has ever died from herbs overdose & it's non addictive... compare that to how highly addictive nicotine is, & how many careless people we've heard about since vaping started, letting their kids ingest it, not to mention now many people die from alcohol poisoning daily, which is also highly addictive... personally I see herbs as more or less harmless considering everything else you can get without a prescription & also considering it has a ton of medicinal uses vs just being a recreational drug like nic or alcohol.

While I do agree that ANY drug, be it herbs, alchohol, nicotine etc should not be sold without a prescription. Maybe if people were less careless, but they prove themselves not to be & people get hurt. If it'll actually save lives, I wouldn't mind the extra step of getting my nic at a pharmacy... & as far as alcohol goes, alcoholism has killed my aunt & will probably kill my cousin, I just think that if alchoholics had to show up to a Dr. or pharmacist looking the way she does at a liquor store @ 8am, the Dr. would probably hesitate to write a script.

 

[awsum140]

I won't comment to avoid a pointless argument. CUL

 

[kiba]

I won't comment to avoid a pointless argument. CUL

We don't have to have an argument to disagree, I accept your pov. [emoji6]

Btw I lost my train of thought & forgot what I came here to ask... my aromamizer has started flooding all the time, if I turn it to the sides sometimes juice will come out the airholes if there's enough on the deck & the jfc doesn't seem to work, I tested it with a tank of water & it'll dump the whole thing in 30 seconds. But I'm positive that my o-rings are all still good. Anyone had that kind of issue before?

It's a Supreme v2 with the single coil deck.

Btw I also have the plus (my gf does) & the same doesn't apply to itm

 

[BillW50]

Yes alcohol can kill, no doubt about it. So can nicotine. So can water for that matter. And my aunt is super allergic to peanuts. Just smelling peanuts will swell her throat closed. I on the other hand, can eat peanuts all day long and I don't suffer any ill effects.

And I find prescription drugs can also be very bad. I could write a 500 page book about the horrors of some prescription drugs. My mother was taking Actos for example. Her doctor was supposed to take routine blood tests to see if Actos was harming her kidneys. He never bothered and her kidneys failed and she had to go on dialysis for the last 8 years of her life.

Also I am a type 2 diabetic. And I adjust my insulin based on my blood sugar and what I am going to eat or drink. Like this morning my blood sugar was 106mg/dL. Nothing wrong with this reading. And while I may not even eat today, I do that a lot for some reason all of my life. But even so, I still had taken 30cc of slow acting insulin which should hold me at about 100 for the next 24 hours. I'll take some fast acting insulin. That insulin only last a few hours and that is it. So most days, I am taking like 35 to 55cc of insulin per day. My dad when he was alive, he had taken over 200cc of insulin a day. I for example, if I had taken over 200cc per day, it's a no brainier. As I know I would quickly go into a coma.

 

[BillW50]

Btw I lost my train of thought & forgot what I came here to ask... my aromamizer has started flooding all the time, if I turn it to the sides sometimes juice will come out the airholes if there's enough on the deck & the jfc doesn't seem to work, I tested it with a tank of water & it'll dump the whole thing in 30 seconds. But I'm positive that my o-rings are all still good. Anyone had that kind of issue before?

It's a Supreme v2 with the single coil deck.

Btw I also have the plus (my gf does) & the same doesn't apply to itm

Are you sure it is really leaking? If it is, the whole tank will eventually empty out. But I noticed is what people normally call leaking isn't really a leak at all. What it is most of the time is just condensation. As vapor pools up on the bottom and turns back into juice again. And it is almost a sure thing for me and if I vape 4ml of juice, I'll have something less than 0.5ml of juice coming out if tilted.

Yet these same tanks, even if I let them sit for over 2 years up on the shelf, won't leak a single drop in all of that time. I know, I've done it before. And I don't recommend trying to vape anything that has been sitting in the tank for two years. As the results are almost always not good.

 

[Rossum]

While I do agree that ANY drug, be it herbs, alchohol, nicotine etc should not be sold without a prescription.

So basically you advocate treating everyone like a child; you want them to seek permission from some "authority" like doctor rather than letting them decide for themselves what they wish to purchase and consume.

I'm not sure how to tell you what I think of this without coming across as rude.

 

[mikepetro]

I am a recovering alcoholic, this April was 30 years since my last drink or recreational drug. (alcohol IS a drug)

Addiction, and conquering it, is still not well understood by society at large. "Legality" has very little to do with it.

@awsum140 was definitely right about it being a matter of "personal" responsibility. Legal or not, people will do what they want to do. If nic was made illegal tomorrow, how many of us would stop using it?

"Cause no harm" , particularly not to "others", then live life as you see fit.............