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Man! It felt like I had the stomach flu for the past three days. I couldn't hardly eat and drink anything. Almost no vaping, I didn't make any coffee, didn't even drink anything with caffeine in it. I should be going through nic and caffeine withdraws. I guess if you are really sick, that just doesn't happen. I couldn't even stay awake and slept most of those three days. Seems like it is ending, so I guess it is mostly over. Funny same thing happened about 10 days earlier. Weird.
 

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No I'm just saying it's a different system, but still I think hydraulic is slightly better for performance considering the instant response time & the way fluid dynamics work in a hydraulic system vs the squishyness of air
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. If you had air brakes in a regular car, imo that would just make things more complicated without any real gain. imo.

What you said about trucks though intrigues me it is something I've wondered for a while, obviously to have a hydraulic system in a truck it'd take more time when hooking up but do truck drivers have to hook up often enough to make that a problem? (I actually don't know) the other thing I've wondered about is like the one which is used on our boat trailer; an separate hydraulic system in the trailer which is actuated by an electrical signal from a harness which hooks up next to the hitch. That one works rather well & takes all of a second to hook up.

Well air brakes seems a bit strange when you first start using them. It's like whoa when you first start to use them. But it doesn't take your brain long to adjust and everything is fine. Then your brain has to readjust going back to hydraulic again. But after switching a few times, you don't even have to think about switching between either one anymore.

I've used an automobile with electric-hydraulic brakes on the trailer. But it wasn't like yours. It had a sensor on the ball hitch. And if the trailer goes forward it would apply the trailer brakes. And that was a horrible system. As all it did was to pull and yank on the automobile. I think I disconnected it for a trip as someone could get killed with that system. But yours sounds like it should work fine.

Could you do the same on semi trucks? Yeah that probably would work. But the government long ago setup a law that all semi and trailers had to use the same system. So any semi truck could connect up to any trailer. Same connections, lines, and everything. So that probably isn't ever going to happen. But I have to admit, air brakes really does work well. So I really don't see them ever using anything else really.
 

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And while I haven't piloted any aircraft since the 70's, I am pretty sure they are still using drum brakes too. There has to be a good reason for it.



He did say disc in the video, but they look like drum to me. Now I need to find the answer. Geez $750,000 worth of tires? That is like $60k per tire.
 

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He did say disc in the video, but they look like drum to me. Now I need to find the answer. Geez $750,000 worth of tires? That is like $60k per tire.

And they dont even wear them down to the belts like a normal person would....no line lock on a 747 apparently....what a waste of good rubber

p.s. this joke requires one to suspend the fact theres no direct drive to the wheels on an airplane. dont harsh my buzz
 

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My old 56 Olds Rocket 88 had four wheel drums, even with all new drums, shoes, cylinders and hardware they still would get hot and fade when trying to slow from 100 MPH on up, it was so bad it was scary, you'd have 10-20 seconds of slowing then the brakes got hot and the brakes were useless.

Wow! Why so fast? Was it goes down a mountain? I lived in Hawaii in my late teens and decided I needed some sort of vehicle, like a motorcycle. But I bought something cheaper like a moped. Worst vehicle I ever bought. Great on gas mileage, but too slow for traffic and too fast for sidewalks. I climbed up a road up a mountain that had no traffic on. I don't know it crawled like 5MPH the whole way up. I couldn't ever get the thing to go faster than 30MPH on level ground.

So I figured going down I'll go faster than 30MPH. It quickly hit 30MPH, then 35, 40, 45, 50 and then the handle bars started vibrating like crazy. The whole thing was vibrating like crazy. Hit both brakes as hard as I could and it didn't slow down one bit. I figured that was useless as the brakes were just too tiny to even slow it down (both drum). I figured I would have to lay it down or it will do it for me. But for some reason I didn't and the bike didn't and I made it back to level ground again. Sold it shortly later.

Even though I live in a tiny village, the trucks that pass here jake brake all the time. There is a steep grade here just past my house, I get sick of hearing it, nobody drives 30 any more and the police (state and sheriff) flat out refuse to enforce it.

You know truckers used to have more common sense than most drivers. And you would think they would have more sense not to use Jake brakes around any homes. Maybe the world is just going to hell nowadays, I don't know?
 

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Thanks I appreciate it, idk if I should try as I couldn't be sure I had the model of dna with balanced charging for the 2 batteries @166 mode instead of 3@250... another question while I'm terribly bad at math, if I have a TCR of 0.00138 but in actuality my I have a discrepancy of -.3Ω vs the reading I'll get, what does that make the proper tcr for this coil?
Wow! Why so fast? Was it goes down a mountain? I lived in Hawaii in my late teens and decided I needed some sort of vehicle, like a motorcycle. But I bought something cheaper like a moped. Worst vehicle I ever bought. Great on gas mileage, but too slow for traffic and too fast for sidewalks. I climbed up a road up a mountain that had no traffic on. I don't know it crawled like 5MPH the whole way up. I couldn't ever get the thing to go faster than 30MPH on level ground.

So I figured going down I'll go faster than 30MPH. It quickly hit 30MPH, then 35, 40, 45, 50 and then the handle bars started vibrating like crazy. The whole thing was vibrating like crazy. Hit both brakes as hard as I could and it didn't slow down one bit. I figured that was useless as the brakes were just too tiny to even slow it down (both drum). I figured I would have to lay it down or it will do it for me. But for some reason I didn't and the bike didn't and I made it back to level ground again. Sold it shortly later.



You know truckers used to have more common sense than most drivers. And you would think they would have more sense not to use Jake brakes around any homes. Maybe the world is just going to hell nowadays, I don't know?
Back when I used to live with a house full of roommates, one of my buddies (who was also btw a diabetic with no health insurance) saved up for two years on a crap job to buy the literally worst moped I've ever seen. He spent two years telling me about how he didn't want a car & a moped was better & by the time he actually got it he must of said it so many times he believed it... he ate ramen noodles & literally saved every penny to get the thing, he spent all of his time working on it or talking about it, he took off the exhaust so the thing sounded like a weed whacker rolling out the driveway in the mornings, it had a gap in the gasket, stank up the outside of the house, was all beat up, someone stole the seat, two different wheels, mismatched panels, and he had to plan his routes so he didn't go up steep hills bc it wouldn't make it up. I always remember when it used to rain, he used to have to go wobbling off on that thing in the rain.

Plus the other roommates eventually got ...... at him & had an actual meeting about how we had to make him either clean up all his pile of parts & junk & not park it on the property bc it smelled so bad, or start looking for a new place. So he had to park it on the street... lolz, I felt bad.
 
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Back when I used to live with a house full of roommates, one of my buddies (who was also btw a diabetic with no health insurance) saved up for two years on a crap job to buy the literally worst moped I've ever seen. He spent two years telling me about how he didn't want a car & a moped was better & by the time he actually got it he must of said it so many times he believed it... he ate ramen noodles & literally saved every penny to get the thing, he spent all of his time working on it or talking about it, he took off the exhaust so the thing sounded like a weed whacker rolling out the driveway in the mornings, it had a gap in the gasket, stank up the outside of the house, was all beat up, someone stole the seat, two different wheels, mismatched panels, and he had to plan his routes so he didn't go up steep hills bc it wouldn't make it up. I always remember when it used to rain, he used to have to go wobbling off on that thing in the rain.

Plus the other roommates eventually got ...... at him & had an actual meeting about how we had to make him either clean up all his pile of parts & junk & not park it on the property bc it smelled so bad, or start looking for a new place. So he had to park it on the street... lolz, I felt bad.

Wow! That sounds rough. Mine I bought brand new from a Honda dealer. You barely heard the engine wide open even though it was a 2 cycle. You didn't mix oil and gas, it had separate tanks and it did its own mixing. Nothing broke down or anything. But I didn't keep it long either. I just didn't find it practical for anybody really.
 

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    ... if I have a TCR of 0.00138 but in actuality my I have a discrepancy of -.3Ω vs the reading I'll get, what does that make the proper tcr for this coil?
    I'm not following. 138 sounds like SS430 IIRC, which is completely independant of any ohm reading. Are you saying compared to another ohm reader/mod, this one's lower? And did you really mean .3Ω or .03Ω
     

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    another question while I'm terribly bad at math, if I have a TCR of 0.00138 but in actuality my I have a discrepancy of -.3Ω vs the reading I'll get, what does that make the proper tcr for this coil?

    0.3 ohms Kiba? Or did you mean 0.03 ohms? .3 ohms is huge, I'd be looking for a less than proper connection somewhere.

    Whoops, looks like @Wayneo beat me to that one.
     
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    cigatron

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    As Wayneo said, TCR and coil res are independent of each other however an ohms reading other than actual coil res will affect coil temp. Example: If your coil res is actually lower than what is being read by your mod due to connectivity problems, hot spots, etc your actual coil temp will be higher than the temp setting on your mod. The inverse is true also. The math to support this can be found on the "beyond ni200" thread.
    I can't do the math but one of the engineers on that thread said that when using Ti a .01 ohms difference in actual coil res vs. measured coil res would cause an 80°f error in temp. Also, wires that have lower tcr values worsens the error because of how the tcr value is used in the mathmatical formula to calculate temp offset (error).
     

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    Whoa now, I always vaped more for a while after dropping nic levels, I'd say that's normal for most folks.

    I reduced my nic in 33% increments from 24mg to 6mg over the course of a year, then I took the plunge to 3mg.Every time I reduced nic I chain vaped for a week or so and then the urges gradually tapered off to the same ml/day as before. That's the only way it was tolerable for me anyway.

    We had this conversation once all ready. I don't see the need to reduce nic levels if you just compensate by increasing amounts vaped.
    I'm at 2mg now, I reduced to quickly & ended up vaping higher wattage & more juice.
    To truly reduce nic, you need to vape the same wattage & amount, Just with less nic.
    Not as easy as it sounds :(
     

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    We had this conversation once all ready. I don't see the need to reduce nic levels if you just compensate by increasing amounts vaped.
    I'm at 2mg now, I reduced to quickly & ended up vaping higher wattage & more juice.
    To truly reduce nic, you need to vape the same wattage & amount, Just with less nic.
    Not as easy as it sounds :(

    We don't all like raw tomatoes either. Whatever works is all good.
     

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    To truly reduce nic, you need to vape the same wattage & amount, Just with less nic.
    Not as easy as it sounds :(
    People are different. It might be easy for some, while being nearly impossible for others.

    In any case, I don't see how vaping more liquid at a lower nic level can possibly be beneficial if the total amount of nic a person consumes is the same either way. I.e. it's probably better to vape 5 ml of 12 mg than 20 ml of 3 mg..
     

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    Thanks I appreciate it, idk if I should try as I couldn't be sure I had the model of dna with balanced charging for the 2 batteries @166 mode instead of 3@250... another question while I'm terribly bad at math, if I have a TCR of 0.00138 but in actuality my I have a discrepancy of -.3Ω vs the reading I'll get, what does that make the proper tcr for this coil?Back when I used to live with a house full of roommates, one of my buddies (who was also btw a diabetic with no health insurance) saved up for two years on a crap job to buy the literally worst moped I've ever seen. He spent two years telling me about how he didn't want a car & a moped was better & by the time he actually got it he must of said it so many times he believed it... he ate ramen noodles & literally saved every penny to get the thing, he spent all of his time working on it or talking about it, he took off the exhaust so the thing sounded like a weed whacker rolling out the driveway in the mornings, it had a gap in the gasket, stank up the outside of the house, was all beat up, someone stole the seat, two different wheels, mismatched panels, and he had to plan his routes so he didn't go up steep hills bc it wouldn't make it up. I always remember when it used to rain, he used to have to go wobbling off on that thing in the rain.

    Plus the other roommates eventually got ...... at him & had an actual meeting about how we had to make him either clean up all his pile of parts & junk & not park it on the property bc it smelled so bad, or start looking for a new place. So he had to park it on the street... lolz, I felt bad.

    I can relate to that guy, I have to give him credit, he had a dream and even though it didn't pan out like he wanted he stuck with it until it came true, that's passion. ;)

    In my early days after leaving the nest I wanted a motorcycle in the worst way, being young, unskilled and making minimum wage I had to scrounged used parts and saved every nickle I could. I got a cheap Honda 350, found used 12 over front forks to make it a chopper, used king/queen seat, used drag pipes, painted it myself and pieced it all together. I could barely afford the insurance to keep it on the road, I paid by the month and some months didn't think I'd have enough to pay the insurance bill but somehow did. There wasn't any money left over for a car so the bike was the only transportation I had, I drove it in the rain, thunderstorms and hail but I had my dream, for one summer.... I spent more time working on it to keep it running then I did riding it but I was happy. :)

    (I couldn't even afford a haircut)

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    In any case, I don't see how vaping more liquid at a lower nic level can possibly be beneficial if the total amount of nic a person consumes is the same either way. I.e. it's probably better to vape 5 ml of 12 mg than 20 ml of 3 mg..

    I Couldn't agree More!
    Reducing Nic requires a strategy, Simply using more juice or higher wattage, for the sake of less nic, don't make sense to Me Either :)
     

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    To be honest, I find the whole "nic consumption" worry to be not much of a worry at all. I think we're all well aware of the (not) "dangers" of nicotine. Some people are more effected by and, resultingly, more addicted to it certainly, but the amount of danger it actually poses at the levels being discussed here, even that "evil" 36mg stuff, it isn't actually very dangerous at all. Yeah, you don't want to be exposed to anything over 100mg for any extended time and over 500mg concentrations can get pretty dangerous but, again, 36mg and lower is actually pretty safe.
     

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