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It costs less than $2.00 per 60ml bottle to DIY my stuff. Keep in mind I buy PG ad VG in "cubes" of four gallons each and the nicotine level is now down at 4mg, which I also buy in bulk or on sale, which both make it a lot less expensive.

Wow! That is like 76% less than what I am paying now. That's like $166 per 5000ml. That one juice that I have been vaping for 3 years would cost me $694.44 per 5000ml. :)
 

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I know it thins down thick juice. And it doesn't take much either. :)

No it doesnt take a lot 4/5% is dead on for most applications, unlike when i only had my Lemo 2's (and wouldnt look at another tank such was my love for my Lemos), with the worlds smallest juice sllts, running high VG in winter, i was mixing at 7% DW :)

Now ive embraced other tanks for the winter months :)
 

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I mix 500 ml at a time except for those special occasions. At 12 mg I estimate it costs me about $36 per liter.
For sure it can be done even cheaper.

That's vaping pretty cheap. I diy 3mg 75vg/25pg for less than $6 a liter unflavored. My flavorings bring the cost up to between $11-$55 per liter depending on type eg $11 per liter making nets and up to $55 per liter when I cut store bought juices. I vape about the same amount of nets as I do other flavorings so I average around $33 per liter.
 

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poor smokers are now paying $38 per pack here, imagine that as a pack a day smoker....
I was a two pack a day smoker. I was paying $6.xx a pack the last time I bought them in 2013. At $38 a pack, I'd have to think seriously about growing, curing, and rolling my own (assuming of course that this is legal on Oz?).

I just did some mental math in another thread. The cost of the ingredients for my DIY juice is about $5. Per month.
 

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I was a two pack a day smoker. I was paying $6.xx a pack the last time I bought them in 2013. At $38 a pack, I'd have to think seriously about growing, curing, and rolling my own (assuming of course that this is legal on Oz?).

I too thought about growing my own tobacco. It's probably too cold where I live, they probably wouldn't grow well for one. Then I researched about the curing and needing 70% humidity, etc. And I thought paying for a bag of tobacco was the better idea. :lol:

I just did some mental math in another thread. The cost of the ingredients for my DIY juice is about $5. Per month.

Oh yes, even as much as I am paying now, it is still cheaper than smoking. :D
 

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Do you mean "TFA" rather than "TPA", dw? I use TFA peanut butter in one of my liquids and nowhere near 7%, that stuff is kind of strong to me, anyway. The same with Captain Black...
Perfumers Apprentice, The Flavor Apprentice....same more or less. It' the word "The" that I get messed up on.
 
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My porpoise for DW is to lower the "boiling" point of the liquid, to make it safer to vape. I'm mixing at 60/40, PG/VG, so viscosity is not a problem at all even without DW. If I remember the numbers correctly, highly unlikely, at 5% in my mixes it drops vaporization temperature by about 30F. I will say it has allowed me to either lower temperatures or increase vapor production if I leave the temperature at what I used before adding DW. Then, there's the added advantage of using 5% less of the other, expensive, consumables. My DW is actually tap water run through a five stage RO filter, essentially the same as distilling it.
 

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I like saying "TFA" or The Flavor Apprentice. Somehow adding perfume to my liquids doesn't sound appealing, even though they all come from the same supplier in reality.

Heck, I just looked at my "sig" line and realized I've been vaping for over six years without burning any tobacco at all. I have to admit I'm amazed.
 

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I too thought about growing my own tobacco. It's probably too cold where I live, they probably wouldn't grow well for one. Then I researched about the curing and needing 70% humidity, etc. And I thought paying for a bag of tobacco was the better idea. :lol:
It's probably not too cold in OZ.. But even if it were, at $38 a pack, a small greenhouse would pay for itself by the time the first crop is harvested and cured. ;)
 

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It's probably not too cold in OZ.. But even if it were, at $38 a pack, a small greenhouse would pay for itself by the time the first crop is harvested and cured. ;)

The jail cell they put you in for growing tobacco here would be prolly be cold though

Theres still plenty of cheap (and horrid) chop chop about though, so the only ones winning are the dodgy importers of illegal tobacco...
 

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My porpoise for DW is to lower the "boiling" point of the liquid, to make it safer to vape. I'm mixing at 60/40, PG/VG, so viscosity is not a problem at all even without DW. If I remember the numbers correctly, highly unlikely, at 5% in my mixes it drops vaporization temperature by about 30F. I will say it has allowed me to either lower temperatures or increase vapor production if I leave the temperature at what I used before adding DW. Then, there's the added advantage of using 5% less of the other, expensive, consumables. My DW is actually tap water run through a five stage RO filter, essentially the same as distilling it.

Yes lower temperatures sounds like the way to go. But I have some questions. One guy said he was a MTL vaper and can't use TC. I said what? He said even a setting of 100°C was too hot. Well I quickly set mine to 100°C and taken a vape. It wasn't hot at all. It was like 98% air and only 2% cold vape. I would have to vape 900mg of nicotine just to get my fix at that rate. And if you spill 900mg of nicotine, that is a hazmat situation now. It turned out he had it set on Nickel when he was using SS coils.

Here is another thing I noticed. Some flavors can't be tasted until a certain temperature range. And I don't know how you get around that one if your goal is by lower temperatures. What makes this worse is with multiple flavorings. With Power Dominant you could swing through the multiple temperatures. But with Temperature Dominant you could only select an average and that is it.
 

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The jail cell they put you in for growing tobacco here would be prolly be cold though
So I guess you're saying it's not legal to grow your own tobacco in Oz?

FWIW, it is legal here in the US.

Theres still plenty of cheap (and horrid) chop chop about though, so the only ones winning are the dodgy importers of illegal tobacco...
Yeah, that's not a surprise at all. Heck, even in New Yawk, where legal cigs only cost ~$12-14 a pack, over half the cigs consumed are not "legal".[/QUOTE]
 

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    Well I quickly set mine to 100°C and taken a vape. It wasn't hot at all. It was like 98% air and only 2% cold vape
    I don't think that guy has a properly working mod in TC. Way too low for even VG to aerosolize.
    With Power Dominant you could swing through the multiple temperatures. But with Temperature Dominant you could only select an average and that is it.
    IMHO it's all in your preheat and watts settings for the profile. Using either, you can achieve the exact same result. It's just if you want to change the temp or watts easier.
     

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    So I guess you're saying it's not legal to grow your own tobacco in Oz?

    FWIW, it is legal here in the US.

    It is verboten here, i think its a $50,000 fine plus 2 years in the clanger for personal use growing...

    Edit/update:

    Oops, its been revised, and not down

    The new laws will increase the maximum jail term for excise offences from two to 10 years.

    The maximum fine of $105,000 will rise to $315,000

    Source: Fines and jail time increase for illegal tobacco growing
     

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    Well I quickly set mine to 100°C and taken a vape. It wasn't hot at all. It was like 98% air and only 2% cold vape.

    I don't think that guy has a properly working mod in TC. Way too low for even VG to aerosolize.IMHO it's all in your preheat and watts settings for the profile. Using either, you can achieve the exact same result. It's just if you want to change the temp or watts easier.

    No this was mine I ran at 100°C and got about 2% vapor out of it. This was less than a week ago and I got six mods setup that I have been using for the past week. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out which one was it. PG vaporizes lower than VG if I recall correctly (most of mine are 30% PG), but neither should at 100°C. But I am sure my flavorings are water based and water would vaporize at 100°C. It didn't taste like water vapor though, so maybe some of the flavorings came with it. I dunno.
     

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    It is verboten here, i think its a $50,000 fine plus 2 years in the clanger for personal use growing...

    Edit/update:

    Oops, its been revised, and not down

    The new laws will increase the maximum jail term for excise offences from two to 10 years.

    The maximum fine of $105,000 will rise to $315,000

    Source: Fines and jail time increase for illegal tobacco growing

    Wow that is tough! I was thinking nowadays of growing tobacco for the nicotine for e-juice. But I have no idea how that is done yet. But can you brew your own beer and make your own wine? Or is this illegal too? What about distilling alcohol to run your own vehicles?
     

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    Wow that is tough! I was thinking nowadays of growing tobacco for the nicotine for e-juice. But I have no idea how that is done yet. But can you brew your own beer and make your own wine? Or is this illegal too? What about distilling alcohol to run your own vehicles?

    You can brew beer, wine or cider for personal use, anything else requires a distilling license

    Making your own biofuel is fine too, but not alcohol
     

    BillW50

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    I don't think that guy has a properly working mod in TC. Way too low for even VG to aerosolize.IMHO it's all in your preheat and watts settings for the profile. Using either, you can achieve the exact same result. It's just if you want to change the temp or watts easier.

    No this was mine I ran at 100°C and got about 2% vapor out of it. This was less than a week ago and I got six mods setup that I have been using for the past week. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out which one was it. PG vaporizes lower than VG if I recall correctly (most of mine are 30% PG), but neither should at 100°C. But I am sure my flavorings are water based and water would vaporize at 100°C. It didn't taste like water vapor though, so maybe some of the flavorings came with it. I dunno.

    You know this got me thinking. When I take a shower, I know the water temperature is in the 90's degrees Fahrenheit (just the way I like my showers). And water can't turn into steam until 100°C, but still it gets steamy in there. So how is all of that steam created when the temperatures are so low?
     
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    My Mother was from North Carolina so tobacco was grown by a lot of the family. Fond memories of the fields and curing. They also grew a lot of corn so I would hazard a guess wherever corn grows good so would tobacco? One of my uncles went to jail for growing a little "extra" crop in the mountains on his land.
     

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    My Mother was from North Carolina so tobacco was grown by a lot of the family. Fond memories of the fields and curing. They also grew a lot of corn so I would hazard a guess wherever corn grows good so would tobacco? One of my uncles went to jail for growing a little "extra" crop in the mountains on his land.

    Corn is grown all over the place here. But no tobacco whatsoever. Wheat, barley, oats, and cranberries too. Raspberries, blackberries, blueberries, strawberries, potatoes, etc. Cherry and apple trees, but that is about it.
     
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