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Yup, gotta find what works for you, like a fellow mechanic use to say, "If I'm happy I'm happy" We are lucky to have such a wide variety of vaping gear available so that we can try different things and find what works for us. With the main goal of staying away from the damn cigs, what ever works for you is the right stuff. :)
 

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Tried several rayon and hemp fiber sent to me from members but KGD is still my goto.
You think that it might have something to do with rayon requires lots of chemicals to extract the cellulose from wood pulp?
  • Rayon has weaker strength compared to cotton.
  • Rayon gets weaker when wet, cotton gets stronger.
  • Rayon burns like and smells like burning paper.
  • Rayon smoke is hazardous to inhale.
 
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You think that it might have something to do with rayon requires lots of chemicals to extract the cellulose from wood pulp?
Which are all washed away in the final processing and cotton is the most chemically treated crop in the world.

I've pulled Rayon wicks from coils that have had 300ml's of juice put through them and rinsed the wicks white again. They were so clean that you actually could have dried them and reused them.

I have no idea what strength would have to do with wick material and I don't burn dry wicks.

Rayon gives me cleaner flavor and lower maintenance due to the incredible wick longevity. I can vape a Rayon wick bone dry without the chance of a dry hit when changing flavors in a dripper or tank. There's 20K+ posts discussing it as a wicking material. People have poor results with it at the start because they don't know how to use it properly, it's not cotton and is not wicked like cotton.

What you like and what works for you is all that really matters.

Like we say on Head-Fi, "My ears, my gear". ;)
 

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Well sure, but some people are sensitive to the taste of the chemicals, TrollDragon. Others say that rayon tastes like dirty socks. I have no idea, next time I rewick something, I'll toss in some rayon in and see for myself.

I also don't understand what some rayon users say about cotton. They say they had to change the cotton every few days. I'd be wasting my time if I changed cotton every few days. Sure after a few weeks, it starts to turn black. But nothing is wrong with the cotton. Rinse it under the sink and the cotton looks like new again. If it wasn't for gunk which rinses right off anyway, it would keep on going for months.
 

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My comment is that I have yet to see a rayon wick burn through, even in the old CE3 style atomizers. Those things would burn through silica.
Ah but rayon shrinks when it gets hot and pulls the juice away from the coil. Now you are vaping a dry coil with gunk and get that cooked gunk metal taste.
 

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I think Rayon is the winner "for me". I find lots of benefits to it once I learned how work with it.
We'll see when I rewick with rayon. It is made from the forest around me and gets shipped to Green Bay. Funny though I have to buy it from the other end of the country. o_O
 

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It only pulls away from the coil if you don't use enough, you use more then you would if you were using cotton. Doesn't take long to get the hang of it, there is a feel of resistance when pulling it through the coil.

In the medical field they often use rayon instead of cotton these days, if they can open me up and stuff rayon inside me to mop up blood it has to be clean and free of chemicals.

But don't take it personally, if cotton works for you run with it, no one is trying to convince you to switch.
 

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Which are all washed away in the final processing and cotton is the most chemically treated crop in the world.
Actually, rayon is more heavily chemically treated than cotton. And I can taste chemicals in processed cotton too which they also said is all rinsed out. Some people can buy cotton balls from the stores and say it tastes fine. When I try it, I taste chemicals. But organic cotton is supposedly only treated with water and nothing else. And I don't taste any chemicals there.

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Rayon does shrink when wet/hot which is why it needs to be tighter in the coil than cotton, which expands when wet since it actually absorbs rather than transports the liquid on the surface like rayon does. The expansion of cotton can actually work against its ability to transport liquids, sort of like choking.

I tried cotton and couldn't get past the taste of sucking on a wet t-shirt (or insert clothing article of your own choice). Rayon, when really tightly wicked, will produce what some call a "nutty" flavor. My taste buds haven't tasted that which makes me really surprised at how noticeable the taste of cotton was to me. YMMV.

In terms of purity, you aren't going to get a much more pure form of cellulose than rayon. Yes, many chemicals are used in its' production, but those are washed away in the final product. Given that rayon does not absorb like cotton, transports on the surface instead, there is nothing left internally. If you're truly worried about it containing chemicals there is a medical grade available, Tidi, which is used as an absorbent pad during surgery, for example.

As with wicking using any material, it takes a little time and experimentation to get it right.

I've been there and done that with all the pros and cons of both cotton and rayon. Rayon works for me, you can have my share of all the organic cotton you want.
 

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It only pulls away from the coil if you don't use enough, you use more then you would if you were using cotton. Doesn't take long to get the hang of it, there is a feel of resistance when pulling it through the coil.
Yes I know, pack it super tight. And now your soft nickel wires look like hell. And then you have to comb the ends until you barely have anything left. Otherwise if you don't, your coils will not get juiced.

But don't take it personally, if cotton works for you run with it, no one is trying to convince you to switch.
Oh but you did. I'll get a tracking number soon on my rayon order. :lol:
 
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Plus its cheap, $7.50 for 40 feet of it!

I don't think any wicking material has to be Expensive, unless you want it to be?
I see all these new fancy shoe lace wicks & "High End" Cotton, & wonder who buys into this?
My first bag of KGD lasted me more than 2 years! I'v been vaping, mostly rebuildable for all most 5 years now, & am on my second bag of KGD! Say even $30 for 2 bags divided by 5 years.
Cost is not an issue :)
I have no problem with Rayon, I'v used it & it's Good :) I just like cotton better :)
 

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One other comment even though I said I wouldn't. Your chart shows the "viscose" stages of rayon production, which is correct if you're going to make thread out of it. The production stages before that, stages one through seven, are the ones used for the "Sally's" rayon and medical balls. Same number of stages as cotton.
 

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Actually, rayon is more heavily chemical treated than cotton. And I can taste chemicals in processed cotton too which they also said is all rinsed out. Some people can buy cotton balls from the stores and say it tastes fine. When I try it, I taste chemicals. But organic cotton is supposedly only treated with water and nothing else. And I don't taste any chemicals there.

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Well all I can say as far as chemicals are concerned, I've been using the Sally's rayon for 5-6 years. Three years ago I was diagnosed with the throat cancer, after the radiation treatments I remain free of cancer. I asked two oncologists if I could continue to vaping during the six weeks of daily radiation treatments, they both told me I could. I would vape on my way to the treatment center, go in, get my treatment, walk out to the truck and pick up my mod. I chain vape constantly, I never slowed vaping one bit and I remain free of cancer. Maybe I'm just lucky, maybe, but if I could vape through all that on rayon and still be cancer free, I'm not changing a thing.
 

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