Evolv-ing Thread

[SlickWilly]

Thanks Slick...but the kids have a mother that is prone to reject simple and logical solutions such as ammo cans in the freezer.

Male: If you are going to be dumb, you better be tough.
Female: If you are going to be dumb, you better be sexy.

I understand, my wife is dead set against my firearms but she tolerates it. She had too, I was a hunter and sports shooter before we met. She has mellowed over the years but every time there is a shooting I get a "comment". She is a Democrat and I'm Republican, well was, I'm now Independent. We agree not to discuss politics often, it makes both our lives easier. I have a policy for any get together like Thanksgiving, birthday parties that happen at our house, there is no discussion about sex, religion or politics allowed. Anyone two or more that want to discuss those topics have to take it to another room, sometimes I'm in a room all alone.

 

[tiburonfirst]

my wife is dead set against my firearms

i don't blame her, willy! be honest and ask yourself: how many of these hotheads wish afterwards that there weren't a gun in the house? i'm not talking about orlando but family tragedies and neighbor disputes - only in america get those handled by grabbing a gun

 

[SlickWilly]

i don't blame her, willy! be honest and ask yourself: how many of these hotheads wish afterwards that there weren't a gun in the house? i'm not talking about orlando but family tragedies and neighbor disputes - only in america get those handled by grabbing a gun

I see your point, please don't get mad at me, this is not meant as an attack, just my point of view. If someone goes that far and is bound to harm someone then they'll use their hands or anything else they can get their hands on. A gun is just a tool, it can be used for good or bad, it's the person using it that does either good or evil. A lady ran over her husband numerous times, wanted to make sure he was dead, do we get rid of cars now?

 

[tiburonfirst]

not mad at you, willy especially, since i can tell you are treating your guns with respect. but i would bet my last penny that is not how the majority of guns are handled
but no silly remarks please as to banning cars or such! and yes, beatings can be fatal but in reality most of them are not or am i mistaken there?

 

[awsum140]

I'm not trying to "flame" or anger anyone with the following, just my quiet little opinion -

The funny part of it is, almost as many people are killed by "blunt force trauma" as are killed by guns (within a few percent if I remember the statistics correctly), but I've never heard anyone advocating a ban on blunt objects. Same is true of knives. The point being, as Willie commented, if someone wants to do "bodily harm" there's always a way to accomplish that. The problem I have with the current "efforts" is that they are borne out of emotion, not logic and are not thought through completely.

 

[SlickWilly]

not mad at you, willy especially, since i can tell you are treating your guns with respect. but i would bet my last penny that is not how the majority of guns are handled
but no silly remarks please as to banning cars or such! and yes, beatings can be fatal but in reality most of them are not or am i mistaken there?

I think it's a culture thing, how you view guns, I grew up around them in rural NY, not in the city. I hunted, fished and trapped before I was sixteen. I use to shoot rifle and pistol matches, I became an certified firearms instructor and taught safety classes. I carry a concealed handgun everywhere I go, so long as it's legal.

Last weekend, the day before the shooting I left my gun home as I went to a school to watch my grand daughter's dance recital. In NY you can't have a gun anywhere on the grounds or with 500 feet of school property so I couldn't even lock it in the car. Me, thinking about things different then most, I sat in that auditorium thinking how I and everyone there would be completely defenseless if some nut came in with a gun like in the movie theater shooting. I felt uncomfortable, watched people as they moved around and viewed the path to every exit. Then the very next day I see that shooting on the news, ironic.

Your right, most beatings don't end in death but with most beatings killing isn't intended. If they wanted to kill the person, they already have them beaten so..... Evil people will commit evil regardless of laws. And background checks, if they want a gun they will get them, if they can't pass a background test they will get someone who will buy the gun for them. That happen here in NY about two years ago, and the person that bought him the guns knew he wasn't right in the head and violent. It's hard to stop evil and stupid people. You can't rely on 911, they seldom get there in time. It's up to each one of us to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

I think we can agree to disagree and stay friends!

 

[Steamer861]

I,m Canadian you's all know that & we don't have as many guns here.
I don't think guns are the problem, take for instance what just happened in Florida, if the people in the night club were armed may be some one could have shot the shooter & saved a bunch of innocent people?
If some one is mad/crazy enough to go on a killing spree, Guns make it easier thats all.
An improvised bomb could have done just as much damage in Florida
If you disarm the law abiding citizens, only out laws will have guns, how is that good?

 

[SlickWilly]

Well to be fair and true to what happen, there was an off duty police officer moonlighting as a bouncer at that place, he fired at the guy when he entered but missed him.

I'm sorry my ammo can post took this turn, I didn't mean to rile up feelings. I consider you all my friends, I don't want to anger or argue with anyone. We all come from different paths and we will have different views, I respect each other's opinions, that what friends do.

Next topic.

 

[SlickWilly]

My HotCig mod and extra batteries came today. Wow they are nicely packed and neat boxes with velvet draw string bags, that's the batteries! They were packed the same as a mod, no wonder the list price was $50 for a battery! I rather they keep the fancy packaging and lower the price. The boxes would make a neat cricket box LoL.

 

[tiburonfirst]

I didn't mean to rile up feelings

no riled up feelings, willy! i just figured i let you know your wife does not stand alone!

 

[KTMRider]

not mad at you, willy especially, since i can tell you are treating your guns with respect. but i would bet my last penny that is not how the majority of guns are handled
but no silly remarks please as to banning cars or such! and yes, beatings can be fatal but in reality most of them are not or am i mistaken there?

You would lose your last penny . Everyone I know with firearms keeps them in a safe or locked up somehow.

I'm not trying to "flame" or anger anyone with the following, just my quiet little opinion -

The funny part of it is, almost as many people are killed by "blunt force trauma" as are killed by guns (within a few percent if I remember the statistics correctly), but I've never heard anyone advocating a ban on blunt objects. Same is true of knives. The point being, as Willie commented, if someone wants to do "bodily harm" there's always a way to accomplish that. The problem I have with the current "efforts" is that they are borne out of emotion, not logic and are not thought through completely.

*What they don't separate from the handgun homicides is whether it's gang-related or by cops.

 

[awsum140]

Funny, they don't mention stabbings.

 

[BillW50]

My HotCig mod and extra batteries came today. Wow they are nicely packed and neat boxes with velvet draw string bags, that's the batteries! They were packed the same as a mod, no wonder the list price was $50 for a battery! I rather they keep the fancy packaging and lower the price. The boxes would make a neat cricket box LoL.

Yes I totally agree. And I don't normally like lipo mods. As that hard to swap and charge externally part really bothers me a lot. But these DX200 solved that problem. And the battery is easier to swap than any 18650 mod. Heck and external charging... my battery only had a third charge left. So I swapped batteries and the one that needs charging I put on my RC charger, dialed in 11.1v @ 2.5A lipo and pressed start. 23 minutes later I had a lipo charged to 12.6v.

 

[KTMRider]

I can't seem to find more recent stats but they've been pretty steady over the past few decades.

I'm all for reasonable gun control measures but the liberals are not reasonable. All rifles, including the AR15, have contributed less than 400 deaths per year (of 11,000 homicides) and people want to ban it to feel safe.

 

[BlueridgeDog]

I understand, my wife is dead set against my firearms but she tolerates it.

Same here. I am not a gun nut, solidly independent (liberal on many social issues, conservative on many fiscal ones) conceal carry 100% of the time legally just as a family defense measure. Wife is far left, but safe.

 

[BlueridgeDog]

He knows where I live....

...and it is safe with me.

 

[SlickWilly]

If they would clean up Chicago that number would drop vastly! This is from the Chicago police dept website, a report on 2015 crime;
"Since January, the Department has confiscated more than 6,908 illegal guns – an average of one gun every hour and a half – and while arrests for overall crimes fell by 12 percent last year, gun arrests rose by 12
percent. Due in part to comparatively lenient laws in Illinois and the surrounding region, the
Chicago Police Department takes more illegal guns off the streets every year than any other major
U.S. city including New York and Los Angeles."

6908 illegal guns in one city!​

This is a city with some of the strictest gun laws, the criminals don't care about laws. On this last Memorial Day Weekend, on one weekend there were 69 shot Memorial Day weekend closes with 69 shot in Chicago, many of them on West Side

More people die in Chicago in one month then in the Florida shooting. But that doesn't make the news, it isn't a talking point for gun control. That's because there is a few reasons why the news and some politicians don't want to talk about it. OK, now I'm done. Really

 

[SlickWilly]

Same here. I am not a gun nut, solidly independent (liberal on many social issues, conservative on many fiscal ones) conceal carry 100% of the time legally just as a family defense measure. Wife is far left, but safe.

LoL, love the last line.

 

[awsum140]

One more comment from me. The difference between a hunting rifle and that "assault rifle" used in Orlando, and often referred to as an automatic rifle by politicians and the media, is the stock and fore end. The basic action, workings of the firearm, are the same and actually interchangeable in many cases. Lack of understanding what the actual problem in Orlando was, either a terrorist act or the act of a complete lunatic, is causing too much controversy and threatening basic Constitutional rights, like "due process".

Putting the soap box away for the night.

 

[KTMRider]

Same here. I am not a gun nut, solidly independent (liberal on many social issues, conservative on many fiscal ones) conceal carry 100% of the time legally just as a family defense measure. Wife is far left, but safe.

I think most sane, reasonable people are independents like you. I recently switched from independent to republican to vote in the primaries for Trump because I'm in a blue state and I do NOT want a criminal who was personally responsible for american deaths and takes bribes from other countries. I just hope Trump isn't as crazy as he pretends to be when the cameras are rolling. The main reason I'm comfortable with my choice is how he raised his kids. With that much money, you haven't seen them in the news or in rehab or have sex tapes (although I wouldn't mind seeing Ivanka )

If they would clean up Chicago that number would drop vastly! This is from the Chicago police dept website, a report on 2015 crime;
"Since January, the Department has confiscated more than 6,908 illegal guns – an average of one gun every hour and a half – and while arrests for overall crimes fell by 12 percent last year, gun arrests rose by 12
percent. Due in part to comparatively lenient laws in Illinois and the surrounding region, the
Chicago Police Department takes more illegal guns off the streets every year than any other major
U.S. city including New York and Los Angeles."

6908 illegal guns in one city!​

This is a city with some of the strictest gun laws, the criminals don't care about laws. On this last Memorial Day Weekend, on one weekend there were 69 shot Memorial Day weekend closes with 69 shot in Chicago, many of them on West Side

More people die in Chicago in one month then in the Florida shooting. But that doesn't make the news, it isn't a talking point for gun control. That's because there is a few reasons why the news and some politicians don't want to talk about it. OK, now I'm done. Really

If you take out Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore and DC (cities with tough gun laws), crime rates are comparable to other countries.

One more comment from me. The difference between a hunting rifle and that "assault rifle" used in Orlando, and often referred to as an automatic rifle by politicians and the media, is the stock and fore end. The basic action, workings of the firearm, are the same and actually interchangeable in many cases. Lack of understanding what the actual problem in Orlando was, either a terrorist act or the act of a complete lunatic, is causing too much controversy and threatening basic Constitutional rights, like "due process".

Putting the soap box away for the night.

Liberals trying to make laws on things they know nothing of and not willing to learn.