Evolv-ing Thread

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Classy, the bottom line is you need to know the temperature to be in control of what's going on in there. You don't cook, or bake, based on how much smoke comes off the stove, do you?
Thats good, I might borrow that.....
 

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so...I am about 9w +/- with my builds...seems I am 'vaping ok' ?
lol...looks like having several devices in front of me to switch around on is a good thing too.
(I don't like a warm vape)

(guess my body was 'telling me'...)
The swapping of devices is probably doing a LOT of good.
 

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I will add this VERY important tidbit of relevant info. Under powering atomizers can push coil temps VERY high too. Well over 500°f.
Ever have your power setting too low and get super hot spitty vapor? A hot drip tip too? We all have experienced this if we've vaped very long.
What's happening when we under power a build is we're bring the coil temp up high enough to begin boiling the juice but not high enough to convert all of the juice to vapor. The vapor production helps keep the coil cool through the evaporation process so if proper/full evaporation is not occurring due to insufficient power settings the coil will overheat.
I often hear complaints about hot tanks, hot drip tips, hot vapor, harsh vapor and spitty vapor etc. Usually it's someone trying to run a build at too low of a power setting eg. Running .5ohm build in a STmini at 10w.
On non TC devices the best power level to run is where the atty/drip tip stays the coolest, especially when chain vaping.
 

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The increase just on the vapes in a session is disturbing to say the least.

Grab your device, chain vape it like if you can only vape on a break at work and you are in the bad zone :(


Part B...I wonder where this falls in relation to what you get smoking a cigarette
 
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Part B...I wonder where this falls in relation to what you get smoking a cigarette
The Kitling session 3 vid described it as being as bad as cigs when tested with ce4 attys.

ETA: If you're chain vaping any atty to the point of dry hitting/elevated temps you're in the danger zone.
 

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The Kitling session 3 vid described it as being as bad as cigs when tested with ce4 attys.

ETA: If you're chain vaping any atty to the point of dry hitting/elevated temps you're in the danger zone.


So if (like me) you are a 'continual bottle masher' and wick is constantly wet - I wonder if the 5 puff issue applies
 

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I started off tootle chaining and the first thing I noticed when moving to more effecient attys (translated: flows juice better) is that older tootle puffer tanks are MUCH more likely to race out of control concerning temp. Some dry hits were the norm back then.
Now days toitle tanks are much better but with smaller dia contact coil builds the high heat can still sneak up on you pretty quick and without much warning.
 

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I started off tootle chaining and the first thing I noticed when moving to more effecient attys (translated: flows juice better) is that older tootle puffer tanks are MUCH more likely to race out of control concerning temp. Some dry hits were the norm back then.
Now days toitle tanks are much better but with smaller dia contact coil builds the high heat can still sneak up on you pretty quick and without much warning.


Nothing worse than a dry hit from a plain 510 atty :lol:
 

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So if (like me) you are a 'continual bottle masher' and wick is constantly wet - I wonder if the 5 puff issue applies

Re squonking: It's easy to over squonk too. A flooded atty is going to go hot on you for a pull or two.....danger, danger.

I run my squonk attys in TC too.
 

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Part B...I wonder where this falls in relation to what you get smoking a cigarette

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I too started with the little ce's, I use to rebuild the coils in those, after I got burnt hits..... Problem with those is there is such little air flow passing by the coil, it's like sucking a boiled egg through a straw, not much air to cool the coil.

You can still tootle puff to a certain degree with a dual coil tank on a TC mod, but I'm betting after a short while you'll take bigger hits and wonder how you ever used little clearo's without TC. Plenty of tank's that take pre-built dual and single coil heads so you don't have to build and wick them, and some work very well. With TC burnt hits are virtually eliminated, can happen but it's rare.
 

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Many folks running VV or VW devices are probably safe if they arent cranking it up. However, it all depends on the juice (high VG being worse), the coil (CE4s BAD), etc, and there are lots of possible combinations.

Folks wont know if they dont have TC capable device, they can only guess. If you want to play it "safe" get a TC device and keep it at 450ish or below.

I'm suddenly uncomfortable without TC even though I'm at about 6 watts. I wish there was a relatively simple way to get some sense of the temps my vapor reaches with smaller nichrome or kanthal coils. I really don't want to change my style of vaping if I'm in a safe range, but ???
 
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I'm suddenly uncomfortable without TC even though I'm at about 6 watts. I wish there was a relatively simple way to get some sense of the temps my vapor reaches with smaller nichrome or kanthal coils. I really don't want to change my style of vaping if I'm in a safe range, but ???

I cant answer that. I do know that the various researchers said that even small coils are "capable" of high temps. For example, the CE4 atties were deemed unsafe at any wattage.

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The challenge is there are so many variables that, unless you have volumes of data on similar circumstances, it is hard to work it out theoretically.
 

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