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It is a Model that has propelled them to one of the top spots. They position themselves as a "premium" product. Nothing wrong with that. Just not my cup of tea.
But their stuff isn't premium. They are cheap junk sold at premium prices.
 

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All this talk makes me want for the early days of programming 8 bit in machine language then later assembler. Course I guess we would be sharing this on a BBS over the phone lines at 110 baud or a speedy 300 baud so there is that.
 

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All this talk makes me want for the early days of programming 8 bit in machine language then later assembler. Course I guess we would be sharing this on a BBS over the phone lines at 110 baud or a speedy 300 baud so there is that.
I miss those days. You had full control of everything. Nowadays thousands of tasks are happening behind your back. And some of them are collecting your data and selling them. :(
 

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My main pc is gentoo linux which I can dual boot in Ubuntu if I need to. I do run a win10 vm on my main PC only if I raelly have too which is rare. My router is bsd my nas is bsd. My CCTV runs on my esxi machine with a win10 vm and storage done with iSCSI through my nas. My work laptop is win10 only because the software I need for work is only win (my access control software) based but I do dual boot linux if I need network sniffing tools running.

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    You are limited to what Apple approves of
    Not true at all Bill. You can load freeware shareware as much as you want. Nothing HAS to come from the App store, but if it does it can be free. The App store apps have been vetted by Apple and allows more functions/calls.
    Apple could be both competitive and affordable. But Apple would rather continue to take advantage of customers who don't know any better. Why would this sound attractive to anybody besides Apple?
    For sure. What irks me the most is when they started removing memory slots for upgrades and trying to disallow 3rd party repairs. :( The only thing that loads less than lightning fast is anything part of the Microsoft Suite. Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Project. I'll begrudgingly pay for my next Mac.
     

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    Not true at all Bill. You can load freeware shareware as much as you want. Nothing HAS to come from the App store, but if it does it can be free. The App store apps have been vetted by Apple and allows more functions/calls.
    How? I don't even have access the the files on the drive. For me to go back to an earlier iOS, I have to do a root equivalent to the machine. They don't want the user to do anything Apple doesn't approve of. While Microsoft isn't there yet, they are working on it. Thank goodness I have enough XP machines to last me a lifetime. I have one XP machine running right now in fact. It is streaming audio and being recorded by a Tascam DR-05. It does this 5 days a week and it will never be interrupted by Microsoft and claims it needs to be updated and ruin it all.
    For sure. What irks me the most is when they started removing memory slots for upgrades and trying to disallow 3rd party repairs. :( The only thing that loads less than lightning fast is anything part of the Microsoft Suite. Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Project. I'll begrudgingly pay for my next Mac.
    I dunno. Two of my Windows 10 machines are two HP 2in1 budget machines. One has a Pentium 4415U and the other has an i3. Both has 4GB and I bought 16GB cards for both. But now I wonder why bother? As I also have two Lenovo Legion Y530 with 16GB, i7, and NVIDIA graphics. And no matter what I add to those HP machines, they will never perform as nicely as these Lenovo gaming laptops.

    So there isn't anything like OpenOffice for the Mac? See what I mean! :(
     

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    My main pc is gentoo linux which I can dual boot in Ubuntu if I need to. I do run a win10 vm on my main PC only if I raelly have too which is rare. My router is bsd my nas is bsd. My CCTV runs on my esxi machine with a win10 vm and storage done with iSCSI through my nas. My work laptop is win10 only because the software I need for work is only win (my access control software) based but I do dual boot linux if I need network sniffing tools running.
    I have a few Linux machines and while they are somewhat ok for browsing and email, they aren't too useful otherwise. I also find Linux multitasking just awful. Like if I browse this forum while I am playing a podcast, whenever I open up a new tab the audio starts to break up. I could run one of the most CPU tasks under Windows and Windows Media Player won't even miss a beat.
     

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    I fully believe that Microsoft codes it that way on purpose for Mac.
    I wouldn't doubt it for a second. As things never have been the same between them since Apple got stupid and tried to sue Microsoft for copying their look and feel. Since Apple themselves stolen theirs from Xerox in the first place.
     

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    I don't even have access the the files on the drive. For me to go back to an earlier iOS, I have to do a root equivalent to the machine.
    You can see whatever files you want on the Mac. They want you to run with a user account instead of running as root all the time, it's a lot safer and you won't end up deleting things you shouldn't accidentally. This is no different than a Linux or BSD etc, OS X is based on Unix.

    For everyday joe user who doesn't need to tinker in the file system this works perfectly, and for those who like to play around in the workings, there is nothing hidden or forbidden.
     

    BillW50

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    You can see whatever files you want on the Mac. They want you to run with a user account instead of running as root all the time, it's a lot safer and you won't end up deleting things you shouldn't accidentally. This is no different than a Linux or BSD etc, OS X is based on Unix.
    Yeah I am not crazy about *NIX based systems either. To install say Firefox under Windows, you double click on Setup.exe and wait til it is ready. Under *NIX, gotta get into root level, type a dozen lines, extract the package, and so on. What a PITA!
    For everyday joe user who doesn't need to tinker in the file system this works perfectly, and for those who like to play around in the workings, there is nothing hidden or forbidden.
    Sure you do. You need to be self learned or schooled in how to hack into it. And after dozens of hours you will be able to do some small hacks. Bigger things comes later. And what was that a read before that once you hack into the OS, you can't do certain things anymore. I forgot what they said, but that sounded awful. I remember reading something similar about rooting Android too.
     

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    Yeah I am not crazy about *NIX based systems either. To install say Firefox under Windows, you double click on Setup.exe and wait til it is ready. Under *NIX, gotta get into root level, type a dozen lines, extract the package, and so on. What a PITA!

    Sure you do. You need to be self learned or schooled in how to hack into it. And after dozens of hours you will be able to do some small hacks. Bigger things comes later. And what was that a read before that once you hack into the OS, you can't do certain things anymore. I forgot what they said, but that sounded awful. I remember reading something similar about rooting Android too.
    Using Ubuntu you can install Firefox from the software manager, you just type what your are looking for then click the Install button, no different than any other app store program.

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    Or you can do it from the shell with:
    $ sudo apt install firefox
    Ubuntu is so easy and basically Plug and Play out of the box.

    If you are looking to use one of Mozilla builds instead of a repository build then yes there is a little more work, grab the TAR file, uncompress and it setup a link on the desktop etc. These days most Linux Distro's have a software manager so you can just click install most applications with.

    This is why I believe everyone should use slackware as their first Linux, you learn how to setup and configure a working system without all ease of point and click. ;) Trial by fire for sure, Gentoo is another good Linux with a manual setup.

    You are not really hacking into the system to gain access to the files, you run with your user account and switch over to root (admin) when you need to install stuff or edit system files. No different than a Windows system, you have a user account and UAC kicks in when you need admin access. Running Windows as the Admin all the time could be disastrous depending on what you delete or modify. The same with Linux, you only need root (Admin) access for software management or maintenance etc, running as the root user by default can bite you hard.

    When I was CS manager for a small ISP here, the owner of the company was doing maintenance on his personal machine with a background screen open on the main server. He brought the server screen forward to do what he had to do there and the phone rang. Ten minutes later he returned to his computer, forgot what screen he had forward and proceeded to delete 1800 users off of the server by accident. Since he thought he was on his local machine deleting old log files when he executed the rm -R * command in the servers /home directory instead.

    He ran to the server and hammered the reset button before it removed all user accounts. It was a busy time in CS for a while putting all these users back after angry calls of not being able to get online or check there email that was actually no longer there... That day the owner stopped running as root on his computer and setup a user account.
     

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    I have a few Linux machines and while they are somewhat ok for browsing and email, they aren't too useful otherwise. I also find Linux multitasking just awful. Like if I browse this forum while I am playing a podcast, whenever I open up a new tab the audio starts to break up. I could run one of the most CPU tasks under Windows and Windows Media Player won't even miss a beat.

    Interesting I've never had these issues. Right now I've got 20 tabs open(looking for vacation property)while streaming "its a wonderful life" to my main TV for my wife while I'm listening to some charles llyoyd. This machine is a "budget" modern ryzen5 with 16GB of ram, all my hds are either nvmre or 3.5" ssd except my nas 12TB on spining iron. I guess thats the beauty of gentoo where I can compile it the way I want and need.

    I like to use the right tools for the given job.....Mac machines will never give me the freedom to do what I need and a win pc.....only if I have too. Why use a +$1000 tool when a sub $500 tool will do all that plus more. Too much mac fan people where I live. I do not game so a dedicated win pc is not required.
     

    BillW50

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    Interesting I've never had these issues. Right now I've got 20 tabs open(looking for vacation property)while streaming "its a wonderful life" to my main TV for my wife while I'm listening to some charles llyoyd. This machine is a "budget" modern ryzen5 with 16GB of ram, all my hds are either nvmre or 3.5" ssd except my nas 12TB on spining iron. I guess thats the beauty of gentoo where I can compile it the way I want and need.
    Luckily you. I put Linux on an Asus netbook 702. And multitasking was horrible. Yet XP ran flawlessly on the same machine. And what was funny was Asus originally designed that machine for Linux. I think if you want a Linux machine, you first have to find hardware that has Linux drivers. Unfortunately Linux machines are hard to find. They just don't sell well. Less than 1% of computer users use Linux.

    My other Linux machines are on Gateway M465 machines. Not so great there either. They run XP, Vista, Windows 7, and 8 wonderfully though. They might run Windows 10 well, as I never tried.

    I tried running Linux on this Lenovo Legion Y530 and no can do. That TPM (also known as ISO/IEC 11889) gets in the way and stops that from happening. :(
     

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    BTW.....

    At one time in my career I earned this title, highest cert offered by MS at the time.

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    But the whole MS Certification thing became a racquet unto itself. They kept changing things, not only in the OS but in the requirements to keep your certification current. It costs a small fortune to keep the certification current.

    I found that having the skills and knowledge got me further than some certification did. Certifications may be good for a resume, but so is 30+ years of computing experience.

    I hear just what you're saying, I earned the highest independent auto tech cert of Master Auto Tech through ASE Automotive Service Excellence - ASE While I took pride in it, just like you say, it was good on the resume but other then that, it was the knowledge that earned me the money.

    I loved being an auto tech and early on I wanted to be the best I could be.

    I just wish they made wrenches that fit these darn computers, would make my life a lot easier. :confused:

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    mikepetro

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    I hear just what you're saying, I earned the highest independent auto tech cert of Master Auto Tech through ASE Automotive Service Excellence - ASE While I took pride in it, just like you say, it was good on the resume but other then that, it was the knowledge that earned me the money.

    I loved being an auto tech and early on I wanted to be the best I could be.

    I just wish they made wrenches that fit these darn computers, would make my life a lot easier. :confused:

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    Wrong tool...

    Try this:

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