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An' wisna he a rougey, a rougey, a rougey
And wasna he a rougey, though he wisnae fae Dundee!
See ma Nan. She was fae Dundee.
Spent every summer visiting the family up there as a kid. Even they called it a sh##e hole. Lol.
Visited Glasgow and Edinburgh many times in another life as a guitar tech (king tuts) and later on I spent a while working in cumbernauld. What a beautiful place, lol.
Look if I have to buy from a secret FB group, I'm not going to buy from you. It's that simple.
This has nothing to do with how good or bad a product may BE, it has more to do with my hatred of FACEBOOK and all it entails. I'm NEVER gonna buy from someone who promotes exclusively on FB because frankly I would consider that person.... contributing to our society's demise.
I will say this, when I was starting down the squonking trail, potentially, a very lovely and kind Reonaut offered to LOAN me one of her early Reos so I could see if I was a fan. I have yet to accept the offer (been ULTRA busy) but I might.
That is the kind of marketing I prefer. Reo's Mods does a fantastic job and they deserve each and every success they get, if you ask me. If I ever decide to get serious about squonking that is probably what I may wind up buying. Because frankly, marketing matters to me.
Ana
This has nothing to do with how good or bad a product may BE, it has more to do with my hatred of FACEBOOK and all it entails. I'm NEVER gonna buy from someone who promotes exclusively on FB because frankly I would consider that person.... contributing to our society's demise.
I will say this, when I was starting down the squonking trail, potentially, a very lovely and kind Reonaut offered to LOAN me one of her early Reos so I could see if I was a fan. I have yet to accept the offer (been ULTRA busy) but I might.
That is the kind of marketing I prefer. Reo's Mods does a fantastic job and they deserve each and every success they get, if you ask me. If I ever decide to get serious about squonking that is probably what I may wind up buying. Because frankly, marketing matters to me.
Ana
I subscribe to your philosophy and would like to receive regular updates. Lol.
One of the things that vapers like me have worked for the last 10 years is making vaping mainstream. Stuff that works and that everyone that wants can get.
Of course there'll be high end stuff. Some people love form as well as function. The fact that there's something for every single style of vaping and budget nowadays is very encouringing. It's all we've worked for all this years.
But the hush hush exclusivity makes people feel unworthy. Are we going to discriminate? Really? That is a form of discrimination. You can't buy it unless you form part of the club. So American. So UK. So old.
I'm never going to endorse that. It should be free for people to join, wait and pay whatever amount of money they're comfortable with. But not the secrecy.
Speaks badly about me? No, speaks badly about certain vapers that are all about discrimination. One day they'll get a great lawsuit.
I want vaping to be mainstream and democratic. Is it that bad?
Of course there'll be high end stuff. Some people love form as well as function. The fact that there's something for every single style of vaping and budget nowadays is very encouringing. It's all we've worked for all this years.
But the hush hush exclusivity makes people feel unworthy. Are we going to discriminate? Really? That is a form of discrimination. You can't buy it unless you form part of the club. So American. So UK. So old.
I'm never going to endorse that. It should be free for people to join, wait and pay whatever amount of money they're comfortable with. But not the secrecy.
Speaks badly about me? No, speaks badly about certain vapers that are all about discrimination. One day they'll get a great lawsuit.
I want vaping to be mainstream and democratic. Is it that bad?
Fi, those are public and you're free to join. Nar Mods needs two inside members to join. A country club of vaping.
But on reviewing he promotes the marketing strategy. He could simply say no, and pass on. Adds on the discrimination. I love the reviews, but if you review an exclusive product with such a difficult marketing policy you're endorsing the hype.
I've always loved Reonauts. I had one a long time ago and they were helpful and kind. That added to the legend as much as the product itself.
I'm so sad I sold mine, but as regulated squonk mods started coming out I preferred that. But I had a blast back in the day.
One last reflection, at least from my part.
The success of vaping is getting as many people as we can vaping and away from cigarettes. High end will always exist for those that want certain qualities on their vape. But discrimination and country club policies SHOULD NOT BE ENDORSED BY VAPERS. Our strenght lies in the numbers. This kind of policies should be banned. For good.
The success of vaping is getting as many people as we can vaping and away from cigarettes. High end will always exist for those that want certain qualities on their vape. But discrimination and country club policies SHOULD NOT BE ENDORSED BY VAPERS. Our strenght lies in the numbers. This kind of policies should be banned. For good.
that sounds a little dictatorial dont you think?
We should "ban" someone from conducting their own business in a way you don't like?
Discrimination is when someone refuses to do business with someone based on set criteria such as race, not because they don't want to be bothered by a general public asking questions about a 5 thousand dollar mod they'll never buy. (for instance)
You seem generally a sweet and intelligent person, but your feelings are not necessarily reflective of the truth. Your feelings only reflect how you feel, and feelings are subjective and not fact based.
And besides, we want future vapers to see that vaping is affordable and a savings from smoking - not something they'll never be able to afford...
I've no issues with new vapers or current smokers not seeing that there happen to be ungodly expensive gear they could buy someday.
Who cares? Seriously. This topic is just.. extreme. I can't manage to find any offense, or anything to feel bothered about...
We should "ban" someone from conducting their own business in a way you don't like?
Discrimination is when someone refuses to do business with someone based on set criteria such as race, not because they don't want to be bothered by a general public asking questions about a 5 thousand dollar mod they'll never buy. (for instance)
You seem generally a sweet and intelligent person, but your feelings are not necessarily reflective of the truth. Your feelings only reflect how you feel, and feelings are subjective and not fact based.
And besides, we want future vapers to see that vaping is affordable and a savings from smoking - not something they'll never be able to afford...
I've no issues with new vapers or current smokers not seeing that there happen to be ungodly expensive gear they could buy someday.
Who cares? Seriously. This topic is just.. extreme. I can't manage to find any offense, or anything to feel bothered about...
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Double post - Internet here dodgey for some reason and the connection is coming and going - ignore - sorry!
Well, I don't really care to say what should or should not be "banned." While I hate social media and most of what it stands for, I also don't want to STOP anyone from doing what works for them.
I vote with my feet but honestly, I also only have one set of feet to vote with and I don't think I should have any more.
Also, I'm not going to get mad at any reviewer who like, reviews "exclusive stuff" either, I tend to get annoyed at reviews that (IMHO) suck. Either a poor review or so clearly unwilling to say ANYTHING negative about a product.
Once people started coming at me for reviews, I knew two things a) I'd probably have to do video reviews and while "watch the vaper who struggles to mount a coil for 20 minutes... .oh crud, there goes a grub screw!" may have merit or even be FUNNY if properly edited, I don't got time for that. Also, b) it would have taken me out of my happy place where vaping is just FUN.
I have never enjoyed myself at a country club, not from day one. My dad took me there for his company's golf tournament so I came in last, and won a bottle of wine. I was like 14 (PLUS I HAD JUST PLAYED GOLF FOR THE FIRST TIME) so as far as I was concerned I "earned" that bottle, but they gave it to my dad.
However, I think the old, rich and boring should be allowed to hang out there, and if every my vaping SWORD needs to FALL upon the neck of one, well I know where to find them.
In other words, it's a little contradictory for me to feel a) vaping should not be banned but b) a certain subset of vaping should be banned because it's elitist.
Vaping IS for everyone and if you don't think class differences exist all across the board, including vaping, that's a bit silly. As long as everyone has access to enough vape to quit smoking, what they spend their vape time, energy and money on should be up to them. Frankly.
Anna
I vote with my feet but honestly, I also only have one set of feet to vote with and I don't think I should have any more.
Also, I'm not going to get mad at any reviewer who like, reviews "exclusive stuff" either, I tend to get annoyed at reviews that (IMHO) suck. Either a poor review or so clearly unwilling to say ANYTHING negative about a product.
Once people started coming at me for reviews, I knew two things a) I'd probably have to do video reviews and while "watch the vaper who struggles to mount a coil for 20 minutes... .oh crud, there goes a grub screw!" may have merit or even be FUNNY if properly edited, I don't got time for that. Also, b) it would have taken me out of my happy place where vaping is just FUN.
I have never enjoyed myself at a country club, not from day one. My dad took me there for his company's golf tournament so I came in last, and won a bottle of wine. I was like 14 (PLUS I HAD JUST PLAYED GOLF FOR THE FIRST TIME) so as far as I was concerned I "earned" that bottle, but they gave it to my dad.
However, I think the old, rich and boring should be allowed to hang out there, and if every my vaping SWORD needs to FALL upon the neck of one, well I know where to find them.
In other words, it's a little contradictory for me to feel a) vaping should not be banned but b) a certain subset of vaping should be banned because it's elitist.
Vaping IS for everyone and if you don't think class differences exist all across the board, including vaping, that's a bit silly. As long as everyone has access to enough vape to quit smoking, what they spend their vape time, energy and money on should be up to them. Frankly.
Anna
When it comes to Todd I don't watch the idiot. He only knows very little of what he's actually talking about. As far as anyone else or anything else I'm against banning just about anything. I don't care what is on Youtube or social media. I don't care what's on television. There's an off button if I choose to use it. I have vape gear ranging from cheap clones to high end mech mods. I purchased what I wanted to buy. I'm smart enough to make my own decisions and I take responsibility for those decisions good or bad. The bottom line is there are ALOT of good reviewers out there for just about any product. Pick the reviewers you like and don't bother with the idiots you don't. Also don't be afraid to look at a few new reviewers. Some of them are pretty good.
If someone wants to spend their money on extremely expensive products more power to them. It's their money. As long as it helps you to quit smoking I really don't care what you prefer to vape on.
P.S. It doesn't matter if you don't like country clubs Anna you are one classy lady.
If someone wants to spend their money on extremely expensive products more power to them. It's their money. As long as it helps you to quit smoking I really don't care what you prefer to vape on.
P.S. It doesn't matter if you don't like country clubs Anna you are one classy lady.
Say What?
Anyone who knows me knows that I detest FB with a Purple Passion. And I wouldn't join FB if you paid me. All that said, I have Absolutely No Problem if a OEM only wants to Release or Sell their stuff to Select Groups. Or if they want to sell it at what I consider to be Ridiculous Prices.
My Opinion is if that's the way an OEM wants to run Their Business, that is their choice. And I will voice my Choice with my Wallet.
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Again, I'm not going to elaborate further in this topic simply because of a matter of idiosincracy or marketing politics. Us, as a minority, should seek clearer things around us.
This that happens with atties I've seen it before in many things and I've boicotted it every time I see it. Why? Because it's a form of discrimination. If you don't see it that way and just see it as a marketing ploy, wait till it happens to you. It'll change your mind for sure. But, people are their experiences and you're not expected to think like me. But it's a form of discrimination nonetheless.
Again. You are not reading correctly. You can't join unless referred by two people in their club. That's not business. That's discriminatory. Nobody seems to get it.
IT'S A CLOSED CLUB. IF YOU WANT ONE, SELL YOUR SOUL. GET IT????
Wait til what happens to me?
Wait til I want to buy something and can't get into the club?
that happened over food coloring (red.. an untastable red...) and because I wasn't buying commercially they wouldn't even talk to me.. I just wanted to figure out where it could be purchased. lol.
We are surrounded by "clubs" of varying kinds. I can't shop at Sam's club because I'm not a member, and last time we were in West Virginia it was a problem because we wanted gas, and they had a gas station and wouldn't sell us gas. We were nearly out and didn't know if we could make it to the next station but we weren't part of their club..
It's life.. stuff happens. Sometimes there are things in this world we can't have.
The point is, it doesn't really matter. My husband and I made it to the next gas station. I didn't really need that companies red food coloring any way and I certainly don't need a 3 hundred dollar RTA from someone on Facebook.
I'm more than happy with my 10-120 dollar ones that I don't have to be a member of some club to get..
I don't go for that kind of thing, but I've nothing against people that do, nor the businesses which do business that way..
They do me no harm, and I don't really care. I certainly don't feel offended, it's life.
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