Explosion at Vape Blast
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The man was charging his battery with the WRONG charger. It could have been any electrical devise/battery that vented, it just happened to be an e-cig. Again, it was user negligence.
Well.. yeah I posted in that thread too. The cause of death was undetermined and the "small fire" was extinguished by the time the fire dept arrived. The man wasn't even in the same room as the fire.
Really?! That's not at all what the French newspapers reported! But then, one tabloid even managed to report the guy was vaping when the accident happened, so I guess such news are rather unreliable on this side of the pond. The propaganda war goes on...
He was using an oxygen concentrator... a machine that converts room air (21% o2) into 99% o2. It's not compressed, bottled o2. The fire burned through the rubber hose (canula) and that's probably about it. The low flow of oxygen emitted by the concentrator ( +/- 2 liters/min) probably didn't have much of an impact on the fire. I was in the home ox industry for a number of years. I was a repair tech on the oxygen equipment, concentrators and liquid ox systems.
local B&M posted on facebook that this incident happened because it was a clone...
this guy is trying to sell authentics now. nothing wrong with authentics, but the same shop that used to sell all clones is condemning now. the post on FB just seemed like a ploy to push his #noclones agenda
totally skirting the issue of battery safety, user error, etc
this guy is trying to sell authentics now. nothing wrong with authentics, but the same shop that used to sell all clones is condemning now. the post on FB just seemed like a ploy to push his #noclones agenda
totally skirting the issue of battery safety, user error, etc
Again, from a conversation with Roly:
IMO it is only us the consumer that can force manufacturers to improve these products by telling folks NOT TO BUY THEM.
The problem is simple, any charger will connect to any battery. We need to force the ego clones off the market.
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Here's another. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/14/b...rutiny-for-listing-as-flight-hazard.html?_r=3
It's almost ALL user negligence. Wrong charger, wrong battery, too hot in the car, shorted build, etc. That's my point exactly. This story relates to a mech mod and a dripper, so now it's "proof" of what some people have been harping about since I started vaping a year ago. Talk about it, explore it, etc. But don't present guesses as facts.
Maybe I'm old and have a different ethical standard.
How is this different from a Hit and Run accident?
We are talking about somebody leaving the scene, cowardly. Not sticking around to find out the outcome, not sticking around at all.
Then we have people on this forum who suggest "deflecting" media attention by changing the subject to cell phone melts etc.
IS there anyone who can step up, who can deal honestly and openly with what happened, and then, during an honest analysis, use it for positive benefit, like treat it as an educational experience, etc.?
At first I was disgusted with the fact that a mod blew up, now I'm more digusted with some of the behaviors I have seen surrounding the event.
I hope this is not the way this industry and community is going to practice .... if a vendor's mod hurts somebody, are we just gonna log onto a "404 Page Not Found" the next day? We've already seen some mod makers and eliquid makers who take $$ and then months later may or may not send your stuff. Now we see a person who caused a mini explosion and left the scene of the accident, snuck out the back door so to speak.
So many complain of negative media, let me tell you something, when all eyes are on you (like you're a politician running for office) you take extra extra extra care to make sure everything is right.
Instead, we have vendors, with no safety workshops and/or safety inspection beforehand, holding "cloud contests" at vape bashes.
It doesn't matter if the kid was in the competition or not, chances are more than 1 mod could have gone in this direction, given the way all this has been handled.And we have shops willing to sell this stuff just as if it WERE toilet paper.
By the way, nobody answered my post many posts ago.....this vape blast WAS promoted as an educational etc. convention. And I asked if there were workshops.
Nobody has told me yet.
I am trying to determine if this meet was in keeping with it's own mission statement.
Excellent point. This is supposed to be about -- say it with me -- HARM REDUCTION!!! Not "spare your lungs and blow up your battery so someone gets injured/maimed/killed"!
I'd almost be willing to bet that those of us who are vaping in order to refrain from smoking, and PARTICULARLY those who are vaping in order to break a very long cigarette habit, are a lot more careful than those who are vaping because it's "cool". Think about how carefully we always attended to having sufficient cigarettes, and a place to consume them (since a great many people have moved smoking outdoors even at their own homes). Think about how careful we always had to be to avoid setting ashtrays on fire, dropping hot cinders on our clothes, and in latter days, offending non-smokers. People who are that careful are most likely NOT the ones exploding batteries!
Maybe the age limit on vaping shouldn't be 18+ but maybe 25+ !!! So that the person handling the vape devices have had time to mature a little, and not be so concerned about "cool". Or at least restrict mechs to that age group; everyone under 25 gets cigalikes!
I'm sure a bunch of sub-25ers will now start yelling and screaming. Go fer it -- you're outnumbered here, and you know it'll never fly anyway.
Andria
Post #435 from someone who attended the event.
However, even several days later, there is dead silence from the promoters concerning the facts of the explosion.
"Excellent point. This is supposed to be about -- say it with me -- HARM REDUCTION!!! Not "spare your lungs and blow up your battery so someone gets injured/maimed/killed"!
I'd almost be willing to bet that those of us who are vaping in order to refrain from smoking, and PARTICULARLY those who are vaping in order to break a very long cigarette habit, are a lot more careful than those who are vaping because it's "cool". Think about how carefully we always attended to having sufficient cigarettes, and a place to consume them (since a great many people have moved smoking outdoors even at their own homes). Think about how careful we always had to be to avoid setting ashtrays on fire, dropping hot cinders on our clothes, and in latter days, offending non-smokers. People who are that careful are most likely NOT the ones exploding batteries!
Maybe the age limit on vaping shouldn't be 18+ but maybe 25+ !!! So that the person handling the vape devices have had time to mature a little, and not be so concerned about "cool". Or at least restrict mechs to that age group; everyone under 25 gets cigalikes!
I'm sure a bunch of sub-25ers will now start yelling and screaming. Go fer it -- you're outnumbered here, and you know it'll never fly anyway. ;-)
Andria
LOL.... Well I'm welllll over the 25 age limit but... yep.... you just stepped in it. Get your hip waders out, it's gonna get deep!!
Love the post
I'd almost be willing to bet that those of us who are vaping in order to refrain from smoking, and PARTICULARLY those who are vaping in order to break a very long cigarette habit, are a lot more careful than those who are vaping because it's "cool". Think about how carefully we always attended to having sufficient cigarettes, and a place to consume them (since a great many people have moved smoking outdoors even at their own homes). Think about how careful we always had to be to avoid setting ashtrays on fire, dropping hot cinders on our clothes, and in latter days, offending non-smokers. People who are that careful are most likely NOT the ones exploding batteries!
Maybe the age limit on vaping shouldn't be 18+ but maybe 25+ !!! So that the person handling the vape devices have had time to mature a little, and not be so concerned about "cool". Or at least restrict mechs to that age group; everyone under 25 gets cigalikes!
I'm sure a bunch of sub-25ers will now start yelling and screaming. Go fer it -- you're outnumbered here, and you know it'll never fly anyway. ;-)
Andria
LOL.... Well I'm welllll over the 25 age limit but... yep.... you just stepped in it. Get your hip waders out, it's gonna get deep!!
Love the post
Maybe I'm old and have a different ethical standard.
How is this different from a Hit and Run accident?
We are talking about somebody leaving the scene, cowardly. Not sticking around to find out the outcome, not sticking around at all.
Then we have people on this forum who suggest "deflecting" media attention by changing the subject to cell phone melts etc.
IS there anyone who can step up, who can deal honestly and openly with what happened, and then, during an honest analysis, use it for positive benefit, like treat it as an educational experience, etc.?
At first I was disgusted with the fact that a mod blew up, now I'm more digusted with some of the behaviors I have seen surrounding the event.
I hope this is not the way this industry and community is going to practice .... if a vendor's mod hurts somebody, are we just gonna log onto a "404 Page Not Found" the next day? We've already seen some mod makers and eliquid makers who take $$ and then months later may or may not send your stuff. Now we see a person who caused a mini explosion and left the scene of the accident, snuck out the back door so to speak.
So many complain of negative media, let me tell you something, when all eyes are on you (like you're a politician running for office) you take extra extra extra care to make sure everything is right.
Instead, we have vendors, with no safety workshops and/or safety inspection beforehand, holding "cloud contests" at vape bashes.
And we have shops willing to sell this stuff just as if it WERE toilet paper.
By the way, nobody answered my post many posts ago.....this vape blast WAS promoted as an educational etc. convention. And I asked if there were workshops.
Nobody has told me yet.
I am trying to determine if this meet was in keeping with it's own mission statement.
See post 435
OH and, the guy probably left to go change his shorts.
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FYI the guy who blew up his mod was reported to not even be in the cloud contest.
Classes are a great idea. I fully support that. Age restriction, I understand and could get behind, but I see the problems with both that will not be able to be solved.
Problem 1) Classes and good safety instruction can be given by every B&M out there, but many of us turn to the interwebs to source our equipment. How could an online vendor assure the person purchasing the equipment watched a video or whatever about the safety. In addition to that, let's say a person had to watch a safety video before they could shop the site. How does a vendor choose who has to watch said video before he or she can make a purchase? That is only going to push folks over to eBay to get sold fake equipment.
Problem 2) Age restriction just plain out doesn't work. Period. Yes it does slow down things a bit, but doesn't stop problems all together. If this method actually worked, we would never see teen smoking statistics, there would be no need for adolescent drug and alcohol rehabilitation centers, There would not be laws devoted to underage consumption of alcohol or contributing to minors, etc. The idea is solid, just not practical IMO.
Problem 1) Classes and good safety instruction can be given by every B&M out there, but many of us turn to the interwebs to source our equipment. How could an online vendor assure the person purchasing the equipment watched a video or whatever about the safety. In addition to that, let's say a person had to watch a safety video before they could shop the site. How does a vendor choose who has to watch said video before he or she can make a purchase? That is only going to push folks over to eBay to get sold fake equipment.
Problem 2) Age restriction just plain out doesn't work. Period. Yes it does slow down things a bit, but doesn't stop problems all together. If this method actually worked, we would never see teen smoking statistics, there would be no need for adolescent drug and alcohol rehabilitation centers, There would not be laws devoted to underage consumption of alcohol or contributing to minors, etc. The idea is solid, just not practical IMO.
Post #435 from someone who attended the event.
However, even several days later, there is dead silence from the promoters concerning the facts of the explosion.
Everybody who was there is terrified the ANTZ will get this story and trying to be as quiet as possible. I see no reason for them to join the fray, they certainly didn't hire the guy to do this. I also see nothing to be gained by beating up on them.
I have Done it Many Times. And with the Worst Battery Possible. A Knock-Off eGo.
Because that is how I Dry Burn My Clearos. And I know from Numerous Occasions that the Coil Wire is going to Pop long before the battery gets Warm.
Even an el-Cheap-O 5 Amp Constant Discharge battery Isn't going to have any Problems providing 1.9 Amps for the 6 ~ 15 Seconds that it is going to take to Pop a 2.2 Ohm Coil.
And a >10 Amp Battery is just going to Laugh at that type of Amp Load.
However, even several days later, there is dead silence from the promoters concerning the facts of the explosion.
Why would/should the promoters comment on this?
PBusardo posted his video on Vape Blast 2, covers what he knows about the explosion and comments on it.
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