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Vocalek

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I voted no. I think smokers under the age of 18 should also have access. It would be easy enough for a Kiosk worker to check out.

Wouldn't it be ironic to "protect" youngsters from the evils of e-cigs while condemning them to stick with tobacco?

Hmmm.... just like they (FDA, ASH, ALA, etc. etc.) are doing to us adults.
 

GregH

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I voted no. I think smokers under the age of 18 should also have access. It would be easy enough for a Kiosk worker to check out.

Wouldn't it be ironic to "protect" youngsters from the evils of e-cigs while condemning them to stick with tobacco?

Hmmm.... just like they (FDA, ASH, ALA, etc. etc.) are doing to us adults.

While that is a point that I hadn't thought about, I think it's a very slippery slope to start making those kinds of arguments. Very slippery and detrimental to the e-cig's future.

If we have any kind of hope for positive resolution with the FDA, we can't even hint that e-cigs should be made available to children. Children under 18 don't have legal access to tobacco. Therefore, they shouldn't have legal access to e-cigs.
 

LaceyUnderall

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While I agree with Vocalek's reasoning, as a parent, I would be upset if I found out that my child was buying tobacco smokes or ecigs. But I also don't think children should have access to red bull and I certainly have had to go round and round with a daycare provider who thought it was time for my 2 year old to be on ADD meds.

That being said though, as a parent, if I did find out my child was smoking tobacco, I would like to have the option to help her determine a better alternative to her nicotine needs. This whole "contributing to a minor" thing should not always apply.

Just like I plan on arming her with valid information on how to keep her safe from the downside of sex, I will do the same with everything else. As a parent it is my right to purchase, for my child, what I think is best for her, whether that is the birth control pill, condoms, an abortion, OR an ecig.

This, unfortunately, is one of the biggest things our society has lost. There is no doubt there are bad parents. But there are also parents who take seriously turning children into responsible, free thinking adults.
 

GregH

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As a parent it is my right to purchase, for my child, what I think is best for her, whether that is the birth control pill, condoms, an abortion, OR an ecig.

I have no argument against that. I also have no argument against Vocalek's basic reasoning. It is better for anyone to use e-cigs instead of tobacco.

I'm just cautioning against any of us campaigning to make e-cigs available to children under the legal smoking age without a parent's involvement. ASH, the FDA, and others (remember the Huffington Post commentary last month?) are already arguing that e-cigs are aimed directly at children. All of their 'save the children' arguments are based on conjecture, falsehoods, and hysteria. That is, until they see some of us saying 'why not sell them to children to keep them off tobacco?'

I think we've all been around long enough to know that the quickest way to get the masses on your side in an argument is to accuse the other side of "coming after your children."
 

LaceyUnderall

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I have no argument against that. I also have no argument against Vocalek's basic reasoning. It is better for anyone to use e-cigs instead of tobacco.

I'm just cautioning against any of us campaigning to make e-cigs available to children under the legal smoking age without a parent's involvement. ASH, the FDA, and others (remember the Huffington Post commentary last month?) are already arguing that e-cigs are aimed directly at children. All of their 'save the children' arguments are based on conjecture, falsehoods, and hysteria. That is, until they see some of us saying 'why not sell them to children to keep them off tobacco?'

I think we've all been around long enough to know that the quickest way to get the masses on your side in an argument is to accuse the other side of "coming after your children."

This is truth. I do agree with you :) I certainly do not advocate the industry selling to children.
 
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