POLL: Electronic Users Organization - New Name
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I like that! I've never had a problem calling them "nicotine inhaler" despite any implied medical taboo. That's basically what they are and I seem to always get an understanding nod from non smokers when I use it. It sure beats trying to defend any trendy catchphrase or slang term.
back in March (when these we still practically unheard of) I had a person call me about these and over the phone they thought I said "rape" It took several minutes to calm them down adn get through what vaping was and where the term came from. Later I had to re-explain it to my reseller stores who were mistakely telling people that they were "100% pure since they were only water vapor"
...I haven't used the term "vape" a half dozen times (outside this forum) since...
The problem I have with calling them "nicotine inhalers" is that many people use PV's without nicotine. Even someone who has never used nicotine could find enjoyment from the flavored vapor... When I was a kid, I liked playing with candy/gum cigarettes or bubble pipes and it had absolutely nothing to do with thinking that I wanted any drug or chemical, and it wasn't necessarily about peer pressure either. There's just something appealing about playing with the smoke/vapor/powder cloud/bubbles. Considering that studies have shown that vaporized PG has disinfectant properties, it seems like PV's used without nicotine could actually be GOOD for you...and of course compared to noxious smoke as an alternative, it's downright miraculous.
Its quite sad in my opinion that thanks to the FDA/BigTobacco/BigPharma's exaggerations, lies, and propoganda, we're having to DEFEND vaping as an alternative rather than using our energy to research the potential benefits...perhaps even to people who aren't interested in nicotine. We're finding ourselves agreeing to restrict these to people over age 18 like tobacco products, when its quite possible that we might WANT children to use PVs without nicotine.
As far as the poll, I voted for choices that included "Smokelss Alternative", to also cover Snus, snuff, etc.....and anything that would include international vapers. The "National" titles make it sound limited to the US only, IMHO.
Electronic cigarette is fine.
Some ....... seems to have filed trademark for "electronic cigarette" just few months ago. See Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) . Just noticed "obama electronic cigarette" is also trademarked. Thats pretty funny. Given that the term "electronic cigarette" has been in widespread use for couple years by now, that trademark will be invalidated. For the ****s sake, there are tens of thousands of people(including news sites) who say "electronic cigarette" and refer to no specific brand. Don't be such a ...... I am so going to mock you if you don't keep the original name. Also ecigusers.org sucks. Do antis own ecorg.org? Have you contacted them?
I don't know what the best answer is. Anytime I've been asked about it I describe it as my inhaler or nicotine inhaler, and have never had anyone ask me to stop using it anywhere, so it works for me.I had a conversation with my sister the other day (she'd never heard of PV's before me), and she said the same thing.
Obviously calling it "smoking" is out of the question, and calling it "vaping" may carry with it some negative connotations, at least until the word makes it into Webster's dictionary; but then, what DO we call this activity?
And for that matter, if we don't call it a "e-cigarette" or a "personal vaporizer" (which does sound funny to fresh ears), what do we call this device? I'm tempted to call it what it is and say its a nicotine inhaler, but that doesn't sound good either.
I'm normally not the type to debate semantics but we are talking about public perception here.
At this point, i'm privy to saying i'm "vaping" with my "PV" until something better coes along, because i think those terms sound MUCH better than the alternatives (although i still call it an electronic cigarette when introducing it to a smoker who's never heard of it, it's easier to wrap their minds around the concept that way).
And to be honest, i love the term "vaper"
Well it seems the Renaming ECO thread has gone off on a tangent here.... I ll jump on board
I personally dont call in a Nicotine Inhaler only to avoid any possible confusion with anything else.
I usually introduce my PV to curious folf as a Safe Nicotine Delivery Device. Then I'll explain it using the usual forum terms such as electronic cigarette, PV, or Vaping etc.
I find that it first puts them at ease knowing its safe and then keeps them interested.
But whatever, Ill intro it as a damn Bio-Mechanical Lung Rehabilitation Unit if need be
I dunno what to rename the ECO, all I know is that I strongly support all ppl or Orgs that support the "Bio-Mechanical Lung Rehabilitation Unit"
I personally dont call in a Nicotine Inhaler only to avoid any possible confusion with anything else.
I usually introduce my PV to curious folf as a Safe Nicotine Delivery Device. Then I'll explain it using the usual forum terms such as electronic cigarette, PV, or Vaping etc.
I find that it first puts them at ease knowing its safe and then keeps them interested.
But whatever, Ill intro it as a damn Bio-Mechanical Lung Rehabilitation Unit if need be
I dunno what to rename the ECO, all I know is that I strongly support all ppl or Orgs that support the "Bio-Mechanical Lung Rehabilitation Unit"
Hahaaa I like that....whatever, Ill intro it as a damn Bio-Mechanical Lung Rehabilitation Unit if need be
I dunno what to rename the ECO, all I know is that I strongly support all ppl or Orgs that support the "Bio-Mechanical Lung Rehabilitation Unit"
I would hope that is not the whole point, but it certainly is a start. I've been away for a few days, so sorry if this was mentioned elsewhere...
Eric--What did you put for Section 1 on the 1024? Part of the problem is the "international aspect" because in order to answer part 1, we really need to establish the entity first--through a State - Secretary of State - Corporation status. Then we file for relief from the IRS through the 1024. At this point, I am not even sure if that is the proper form. Personally, I've only done 501(c)(3)s.
Also, depending on the state chosen, state relief may also be required. Either way, we need to create the "entity" first. To do that, we need a mission statement. When that comes together, so will a new name, hopefully.
Webbie: Vaping Vape Vapor, just doesn't work with my family and friends
and I never liked the terms either. I use inhaler, but the family has called my "inhalers" "fake cigs" so that's what I use. I know, not much help LOLBut I really can't see them calling my Janty Stick a electronic cigarette. It's not. SO what is it?
Any ways folks, sorry to disrupt this thread. I REALLY REALLY think a thread for a mission statement is in order. What is this entity going to do, and how are we going to do it? Why? Etc. If we come to some agreement on that, then we can choose the proper state, and proper IRS form (State tax forms if applicable).
Please tell me that I am wrong, but my initial thought on the reason for this association was "get this done fast so that we could file an amicus curiae brief." We know that won't happen now, and I didn't think it was a good idea even if we could. So is this organization mainly political in nature? Partly? We will be trying to influence legislation and appeal to the the courts in the future, I would think? No? That needs answered before we file any document, state or federal.
Okay, again, sorry for the interruption
Please carry on...
OK,
The poll has been live for a week now and here are the results. Unless there is any objection, I will clear the database and resubmit the top five choices for a second (and final round) of votes. This was the initially proposed plan. To be fair, I'd like to leave this second vote open for one week to ensure that all interested ECF members have a chance to vote.
One addendum - The word "international" was mentioned by several members to show a more global approach. Personally, I like the idea, but I'll leave that as a seperate option in the new poll.
The second poll will be brought online tonight and announced under a new thread.
The poll has been live for a week now and here are the results. Unless there is any objection, I will clear the database and resubmit the top five choices for a second (and final round) of votes. This was the initially proposed plan. To be fair, I'd like to leave this second vote open for one week to ensure that all interested ECF members have a chance to vote.
One addendum - The word "international" was mentioned by several members to show a more global approach. Personally, I like the idea, but I'll leave that as a seperate option in the new poll.
The second poll will be brought online tonight and announced under a new thread.
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Mission Statement:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...zation-charter-administration.html#post553135
I know Eric needs help on the docs, and hopefully we can move this discussion to the "Administration" thread. I agree that we need to get moving on fleshing out the organization charter ASAP.
I know it didn't make the popular vote, but as I consider it, I think overall I like "Smoke-free Alternative Forum Education & Resources (S.A.F.E.R.)" best.
My votes in!! We already have a CASA program going in California. It's Court Appointed Special Advocates. They help abused and neglected children.
We already have a CASA program going in California. It's Court Appointed Special Advocates. They help abused and neglected children.
My votes in!!
See my post: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nic-cigarette-organization-12.html#post534557
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