Failed my first attempt w/ E-cigs... looking for advice

[Lau517]

I originally bought the Joye (510, I think?) over a year ago and at first thought it was great. It was short lived though. I need much more of a throat hit and am willing to pay just about anything to find something that will work for me. I'm frustrated and disappointed in myself for still smoking analogs. Can anyone suggest a different style/brand of e-cig that will help with this? Something nice & STRONG. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.

 

[MattZuke]

I originally bought the Joye (510, I think?) over a year ago and at first thought it was great. It was short lived though. I need much more of a throat hit and am willing to pay just about anything to find something that will work for me. I'm frustrated and disappointed in myself for still smoking analogs. Can anyone suggest a different style/brand of e-cig that will help with this? Something nice & STRONG. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.

1) Stronger Liquid (24mg/ml -> 36mg/ml)
2) lower resistance atomizer

I ordered the smoketech 1.5ohm dual coil cartomizers from GA Tech and I'm finding them WAY too harsh. If you go 1.5ohm, you'll need a 510 battery to match, and the Riva 510 is the cheapest way to get into that. I'm not sure on 2.0ohm on the standard 510, but I'm quite sure 2.5ohm is safe.

We're not talking HUGE bucks. Addys are like $10, the whole Riva 510 kit is sub $40, low resistance cartomizers are ~$10 for a 5 pack.

There are other options too, like 5V mods, 6V mods.

 

[DC2]

My personal opinion is that if the Joye 510 didn't do it for you, you need to do one of two things...
1) Get some low resistance atomizers or cartomizers and a bigger battery that can handle them
2) Get something that will take you into larger mods and higher voltages

If you're willing to spend anything, then take a look at one of these...
--MonkeyBoxx
--ProVari
--Darwin

If you want to stay remotely cigarette-sized then get a Riva SE (Special Edition) and some 2.0ohm atomizers or cartomizers.

 

[4mehealth]

I think it's more an issue of juice pg/vg ratio and nic content.

Your 510 should do fine. Higher pg and higher nic will give you the th you want.

If you're looking at upgrading your hardware, then maybe a mod? A simple mod like the roughstack will provide a true 3.7V experience. Tie that with an LR atty and you're golden. Or, you can step up to a 5 or 6v mod. That will give you a warmer vape and I believe (not sure) that it helps with TH as well. I can't say because I haven't gone that way.

 

[wv2win]

95% of throat hit comes from two things: warmth of the vapor (bigger battery PV's) and higher level of nicotine. More PG vs VG, adding PGA and different ingredients in eliquid only account for the last 4-5%, if even that. Good throat hit is NOT a burning sensation which is all you get with additives such as pepper extract to site one example.

If you want truely good throat hit that is consistent and “warm” not “hot”, then you need a good 5 volt or variable volt PV. Low resistance attys are a good intermediate step to increase TH, but in my experience they do not hold up well and cannot be used on certain PV's.

One of the best 5 volt PV's is the GLV2 from: Electronic Cigarettes and E-Liquid - Great Lakes Vapor but if you go this route, make sure to get the 5 volt model. Another less expensive but still good 5 volt option is one of Ken's 5 volt box mods: Box Mods. Ken is also well supported just like Great Lakes and stands behind his products. With both the GLV2 or a 5 volt box mod, you can also use some of the new dual coil cartomizers that deliver good throat hit but really drain batteries fast so you need the bigger batteries that a 5 volt provides.

For variable volt, which provides you the most flexiblity and consistency, you can't beat the Darwin from: Nhaler . Here is a more detailed review of the Darwin: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ressions-newest-pre-production-prototype.html

So, if you couple a good PV with 24mg (or for some, even 36mg) nic strength liquid, I think you will get the excellent throat hit and you will be surprised at how much better it is than the little 510 you use to vape on.

Good Luck

 

[wickedmama]

I have the tornado tank from totally wicked when I started out I used 36mg liquid with 80/20 pg/vg mix it gave me a VERY strong throat hit. A little to strong for me so I have since dropped to 18-24 mg at 70/30 pg/vg mix and thats just the right amount of throat hit for me.

 

[Lau517]

This forum is fantastic! Thanks for the replies and help. I will check out these options and any more that are added here. Thanks again for everyone's help/input!

 

[HopelessN00b]

Are you sure it's a stronger throat hit you're craving?

Nicotine isn't the only substance in cigarette smoke, but it's the only one in nicotine juice - maybe you're craving the stronger hit of cigarette smoke that comes from all the other toxic chemicals you're not getting from vaping... especially if you tried to switch over completely. I went through some cravings and a weak withdrawal when I cut over to vaping and stopped smoking analogs, and I thought I wanted a stronger throat hit too, but it was really my body wanting that heavy buzz from all the other crap in cigarette smoke - increasing my throat hit with LR attys didn't help... it just took time for my body to adjust. Now that my throat and lungs have been smoke-free for several months and are all sensitive again, I don't even like a strong throat hit and try to mellow it out as much as possible, without decreasing my nicotine intake.

Something that might be worth considering, at least - if you switch to vaping and cut out analogs completely, you'll go through some withdrawal regardless of how much throat hit you get.

 

[WAC_Vet]

The cheapest way I found to go to get a good throat is with a 4081 passthru (about $15.00), totally covering one of the holes (on the two hole cartomizers) and using my finger on the other to only allow a little air in (carborator). Makes the cartomizer hotter, giving hotter vapor, more of a TH. I switch between that and my Leo..... I find the Leo to be much smoother, not much in the way of TH, but that could also be the juice I'm using.

 

[Boodle]

Congrats on giving it another try. Lots of wonderful help on ECF. My best friend called tonight and is having a nic fit with the tiny mall ecig I sent her. She's drumming her fingers for one batt to charge as one dies. Yikes. Kind of like you, she loves the idea but her equipment isn't good enough. Excuse the long post. I'm cutting and pasting from an email to her on supplies she needs. I only use suppliers on ECF so I think it's ok to post this. If I get spanked, it's worth it if you get an idea or two. Hang in there. It's a wonderful transition when you have the right equipment and juice.

"Get a GLV2 mini or supermini (GreatLakesVapor) and a 1.5 or 1.8 resistance 306 atomizers (get several) and a couple of drip tips (Ikenvape or others). Don't go cheap on the batteries. They're important. Get 3.7v AW ICR 123 750mAh. They have a black label and are protected. I get them from SuperTmaufacturing. You may be able to find them less expensive somewhere. This setup will mimic high-voltage vaping without needing to be an expert. 6v vaping is tricky and I don't see the upside anymore. Some juices burn, all that power mutes the flavor yada yada. With the new low resistance (LR) technology, you get all the benefits of high voltage at 3.7v and more flavor. Screw on your atty and put your drip tip on. Drip 5 drops of juice down the drip tip, take a pull and add 3 more drops. That's it! When the flavor starts to diminish add 5 or 6 more drops. 306 atomizers like to be wet. You don't have to drip as often with these as you would with 510 attomizers. You will kill the atomizer if you don't keep it wet. If it's gurgling you're drowning it. Call me.

If you'd rather use cartomizers than dripping skip the part about the 306 attys. Get LR 1.5-2.0 ohm dual coill cartomizers. Fill and vape. I'll send you a video to watch on filling cartomizers.

I have both of these setups and a couple of others with different flavors in them. When I go to work or out - these are my go-with vaping supplies. For me dripping is vaping at its purest form. These new dual coil LR cartomizers come pretty close and are great when you're out and don't want to deal with anything.

Get some juice from KickBassVapor. For throat hit choose the higher PG blend 30/70 in the drop-down when ordering and 24mg. A couple of bottles will do to start. You may ease down to 18mg quickly. Your taste buds are prolly dulled from smoking. Go extra flavor on your first order. You can do this!"

 

[zoiDman]

A 510 is a good e-Cig. I don't think you need better hardware yet. Sounds like you just need some better e-Liquid to put in it.

If you are looking for something strong. Knock your socks off strong, try this with 30% VG -70% PG

hot cinnamon candy e liquid

Here is a review I did for it awhile back.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...90330-1st-order-vaperbomb-com-ciina-bomb.html

 

[wv2win]

A 510 is a good e-Cig. I don't think you need better hardware yet. Sounds like you just need some better e-Liquid to put in it.

If you are looking for something strong. Knock your socks off strong, try this with 30% VG -70% PG

hot cinnamon candy e liquid

Here is a review I did for it awhile back.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...90330-1st-order-vaperbomb-com-ciina-bomb.html

A 510, small 180 mAh 3.2 volt battery (under load) can't come close to comparing to the warm and consistent vapor (throat hit) over a 5-6 hour time frame that a good 5 volt PV provides. And some eliquids due to their irratating ingredients will give you a scratchy, burning feel in your throat but not the good, warm inhaled feel similar to an analog that better equipment and the right level of nicotine will give you.

 

[zoiDman]

A 510, small 180 mAh 3.2 volt battery (under load) can't come close to comparing to the warm and consistent vapor (throat hit) over a 5-6 hour time frame that a good 5 volt PV provides. And some eliquids due to their irratating ingredients will give you a scratchy, burning feel in your throat but not the good, warm inhaled feel similar to an analog that better equipment and the right level of nicotine will give you.

Does the OP want a warm or Strong? Or are they the same thing?

Have you ever tried VB's Cinna-Bomb?

I'd much rather see a person that already has a good e-Cig, which a 510 is, find a good juice first before they spend money on a New piece of hardware.

But if they want to buy hardware, so be it. Take no half steps and buy a Provari.

 

[wv2win]

Does the OP want a warm or Strong? Or are they the same thing?

Have you ever tried VB's Cinna-Bomb?

I'd much rather see a person that already has a good e-Cig, which a 510 is, find a good juice first before they spend money on a New piece of hardware.

But if they want to buy hardware, so be it. Take no half steps and buy a Provari.

Yes, I have and it doesn't replicate good throat hit. Plus, that option would mean the OP would be limited to ONE eliquid which would not solve the over all problem. There are only about a 1000+ posts that validate the better throat hit produced with better battery PV's in comparison to small, 180 mAh PV's. It's pretty straight forward.

 

[Nicko]

The amount of nicotine in your juice is crucial. I started with 18mg, but it just wasn't enough, so I moved up to 24mg and that's fine for me. After 8 months of vaping my health has improved so much! It sounds like you need a good, powerful e-cig. So check out the mod suppliers. I just ordered a silver bullet from altsmokes, and I'm really looking forward to the mailman coming soon. But shop around and read reviews, there are just so many great products out there.

 

[unsure]

A 510 ended my last cigarette but a REO ended my last urge for one. A REO and a Cisco LR 1.5Ω atty with a 24mg juice gets me the vapor and TH all I ever need.

 

[Nicko]

That's good advice. I wish I could get a REO, but they are so difficult to buy. I just love the look of them. Maybe six months from now they will be easier to order.

 

[newplague]

+1 on the Reo. My Grand is always with me.

 

[herasys]

looks good where to buy

 

[unsure]

That's good advice. I wish I could get a REO, but they are so difficult to buy. I just love the look of them. Maybe six months from now they will be easier to order.

A complaint I hear a lot. Rob has several models and rotates them in making them (he is a one man builder) so when they do up for sale they sell out many times the same night. Bookmark this thread for the lastest updates to sales...he is good about keeping it accurate. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reos-mods/161451-reo-updates-sales-information-most-recent-info-4.html

Btw what you may hear about REO owners are a wierd cult of some kind is just silly

really trust me.