E-cig vs juicy cig

[Liz312]

If you get an Ego Kit ( regardless of T or W ) get some clearomizers. They hold up to 1.6ml liquid and come regular or low resistant. I order a whole bunch from "Lite Cig USA" and they cost like $3-4. They don't leak and you always see how much liquid is in it. Also, I order my liquids from "Americaneliquids",they have great tasting liquids ( in my opinion) and have weekly specials where you can get 60ml for $15,-
Lite Cig USA has some really great prices and after one of my clearomizers broke the first Day, they replaced it in no time at all. I know when I started vaping a few months ago, all of my Atomizers went to hell in no time and everything tasted burned. That's why I prefer the clearomizers and Cartomizers. Especially the Dual Coil Cartomizer ( cost $3,- ) the throat hit is unbelievable and you don't have to keep refilling. Good Luck

 

[Michaelblackwood]

accident,pay no attention to this post

 

[Michaelblackwood]

Thanks heaps guys for all the info, your response has been AMAZING!!!
so im gunna take a few suggesstions on board and get:
LR or LR Boge cartomiser (Thanks Therealcmac!)
A vision stardust and a Fluxomizer (Thanks Yiddleboge6!)
A Clearomizer (Thanks Liz 312!)

I have a feeling some of the above products are the same thing with a different name?...

Now for a battery to connect the above to...
Am i correct that 2 Li-Ion batteries will give me the best battery charge life? If yes which one? 18650? 16340? what mAh? (flat batteries really peeved me with the 510)(and i want the best charge life short of having one of those boxes)

Im Thinking of the maxi rough stack v2 ($45) it seems just as good as a silver bullet ($84) (if not better because i like where the button is plus the added benefit of 2 batteries for longer battery life)
Be nice if it had variable voltage but that can wait till later as ive only had a standard 510 atomizer and a low resistance clerodustmizerwhatever will probably give me the improvement im looking for in vape smoke volume.

What do you guys think? (Im doing so much research because i dont have a lot of money so ill only be forking out ONCE so i want the perfect thing) (ignore the fact that i said i may upgrade later to a variable voltage )

Heres hoping to look like this:

 

[keenanmcfar]

by the sound of it it seems altsmoke would indeed be a good place for you to go. ive had many dealings with them and can vouch that anything on their site is legit. if it wasnt, im sure it would be removed from their selection very quickly.
as for the battery, dont fuss too much about what you get, as long as it has 650+ mah you wont be running all over the place trying to switch them out three times a day.
if you dont like the idea of dripping, look into a tank system for sure. they have a few different types on altsmoke and they are pretty darn cheap so worst case scenario, tanks arent for you and your out twelve dollars. no big deal
if you are getting any ego style battery though, i must say, whatever it is, get yourself a lor resistance heating coil. be it in a carto, a tank or an atty. low res is key for any decent vapor at low voltages
good luck on your search!

 

[Michaelblackwood]

the rough stack is from mad vape.

 

[sailorman]

So far, everything you've been considering here supplies 3.7V to the cartomizer or whatever you stick on the end. The only exception is any ego except the ego W model. The batteries are sized by a 6 digit number. The first 2 digits are the diameter in millimeters. The third and 4th digits are the length in mm. The 6th digit is usually zero. An 18650 is 18mm diameter and 65mm long. The bigger the battery, the longer it generally lasts.

The Silver Bullet and the Roughstack take one battery at a time. Kits come with 2 batteries, but that's so you can charge one and vape with the other. 18650's run from about 1600 to 2000 mah. Panasonic makes an excellent one that is 3100mah. They are the biggest capacity you can get. You can figure about 1hr/100mah vaping time. 16*** batteries usually are in the range of 900-1200mah. Two batteries don't give more vape time unless they're wired in parallel and that is not done with tubular mods. The only reason 2 batteries would be in a tube mod is to double voltage, not capacity or vape time. If you stack 2 batteries in a tube mod, you will shorten the vape time because the total capacity will be the same as one battery and each battery will obviously be 1/2 the size of a single battery that fit in the same space.

It is possible to stack batteries to achieve 6 or 7.4 volts but it is highly discouraged. Besides halving your capacity and vape time, the stories you hear about people blowing their faces off are invariably the result of them stacking batteries. You have to be well educated about lithium batteries to safely stack them , even if the PV will accept 2 batteries in the first place.

The Roughstack button, in actual use, is not very convenient at all. It's also cheap and cheap feeling in use. It is not nearly the machine that the Silver Bullet is. Just wanted to clear that up.

There is nothing complicated about the bullet. Put a charged battery inside, screw on a cartomizer or clearomizer and push the button. No funky tanks or 2 piece atomizers or anything. If you can operate a flashlight, you can handle a Silver Bullet.

The Ego W is the only Ego worth considering. No leaky tank "system" or proprietary atomizers and it's 3.7V. It comes with it's own clearomizer tank and a little cover for it. Cute.

The kGo is next on the list as far as performance and reliability goes. I would still choose this over the eGo.

Of course, the top of the line is the Bullet. It's not a mass produced Chinese PV. It's a precision engineered, American made product, so it's going to cost more than a Roughstack or *go. Really a case of getting what you pay for.

 

[sailorman]

Thanks heaps guys for all the info, your response has been AMAZING!!!
so im gunna take a few suggesstions on board and get:
LR or LR Boge cartomiser (Thanks Therealcmac!)
A vision stardust and a Fluxomizer (Thanks Yiddleboge6!)
A Clearomizer (Thanks Liz 312!)

I have a feeling some of the above products are the same thing with a different name?...

Yes, the fluxomizer is a brand of clearomizer. The Stardust only works on eGo or kGo type PVs.

Now for a battery to connect the above to...
Am i correct that 2 Li-Ion batteries will give me the best battery charge life? If yes which one? 18650? 16340? what mAh? (flat batteries really peeved me with the 510)(and i want the best charge life short of having one of those boxes)

No. Just the opposite. Two batteries will give you 1/2 the charge life of a single battery occupying the same space. It will give you 2X the voltage and it's called "stacking batteries". You don't want to do this because it's dangerous.

Im Thinking of the maxi rough stack v2 ($45) it seems just as good as a silver bullet ($84) (if not better because i like where the button is plus the added benefit of 2 batteries for longer battery life)

Not even close. The SB will live years after the rough stack has died.

Be nice if it had variable voltage but that can wait till later as ive only had a standard 510 atomizer and a low resistance clerodustmizerwhatever will probably give me the improvement im looking for in vape smoke volume.

You can get an extension for the Silver Bullet to allow you to insert a "Kick". It's a $40 device that will turn the SB into a Variable Wattage PV, which is better than a variable voltage. It will keep the power to your carto consistent, regardless of what resistance it is. It will do your thinking for you so you don't have to guess what voltage is correct. If you use 18350 batteries, you don't even need the extension. You'll just lose a little charge time.

What do you guys think? (Im doing so much research because i dont have a lot of money so ill only be forking out ONCE so i want the perfect thing) (ignore the fact that i said i may upgrade later to a variable voltage )

Heres hoping to look like this:

I think you should get something that isn't designed to die, like the eGo or kGo with their sealed batteries. Something that will probably live as long as you and that will make a reliable backup for anything you get in the future. And something that, for $40, you can upgrade to a Variable Wattage PV that will rival the $250 Darwin. IOW, the Silver Bullet.

 

[Michaelblackwood]

Cheers man, this is all becoming a lot clearer.
More questions.....(I ask a lot dont I?)

"I think you should get something that isn't designed to die, like the eGo or kGo with their sealed batteries."

Is the SB also something that isint designed to die?
Why the sealed batteries?
I think id prefer the unsealed ones because their probably cheaper to buy and a SB looks a lot stronger than an eGo.

IOW

whats IOW stand for?

 

[Michaelblackwood]

PS. why didn't the quote work?

dont worry figured it out I have to multi quote it.

 

[Michaelblackwood]

Bump! cmon guys i want answers, there better b some for me when i wake up!
(currently given up on the joye 510 and gone back to analogs so the sooner i figure out what to get the better)

 

[sailorman]

Cheers man, this is all becoming a lot clearer.
More questions.....(I ask a lot dont I?)

"I think you should get something that isn't designed to die, like the eGo or kGo with their sealed batteries."

Is the SB also something that isint designed to die?
Why the sealed batteries?
I think id prefer the unsealed ones because their probably cheaper to buy and a SB looks a lot stronger than an eGo.

IOW

whats IOW stand for?

No battery lasts forever. As they age, they will need to be recharged more frequently. If you use a device that uses generic, replaceable batteries, you simply replace the batteries. You can buy an 18650 battery for as little as $5-6 here. A top of the line 18650 costs about $8-12. At that price, you can replace them when they have even a relatively small decrease in performance. The e-Power and the Silver Bullet are two models that accept generic lithium batteries.

A kGo or eGo or Riva IS the battery. They are a battery sealed in a housing with a switch and connector. When they begin to decline in performance, or when they die, you must replace the entire PV. They cost from ~$15-20 each. The manufacturer specifies an average expected lifespan of 4-6 months. They are disposable and "designed to die", similar to a disposable flashlight as compared to a flashlight that uses common replaceable batteries.

Another thing to consider, is that batteries have an expected lifespan expressed in terms of charge/drain/recharge cycles or "duty cycles". An eGo battery is sized from 650-1000mah. A loose 18650 lithium battery can be up to 3100mah. The more mah, the longer the battery lasts between charges. If a 1000mah battery and a 3000mah battery are both rated for 500 cycles, the 3000mah battery will last 3X as long as the 1000mah battery because it will only need to be recharged 1/3 as often. The discrepancy is even greater in real life because you can easily get an 18650 sized battery that is far better quality than any ego battery and it will be rated for more "duty cycles". Where the 1000mah ego may need to be replaced in 6 months, the 3100mah lithium can be going for 2 years.

At $20 for the eGo and $12 for the 18650, the yearly operating cost is $40 vs. $6.

Is the SB designed to die? The SB has a "vandal proof" switch that's used in commercial applications like ATM machines and public intercom systems. It is rated for 1,000,000 mechanical cycles and 250,000 electrical cycles. It is modified to last longer than 250,000 electrical cycles. Nobody knows exactly how much longer, but I have estimated that I probably have around 350,000 on the same switch in my BB. With tube mods like the SB and Roughstack, the switch is probably the most important single thing to consider and the SB is top of the line. Only a full mechanical switch like on the Innovaper model could be more reliable, but you'll still need to change out springs on a mechanical switch. The SB is definitely not "designed to die". In fact, you can hardly kill it if you try.

And yes, the SB is stronger than an eGo by orders of magnitude. You can't run over an eGo with a truck. You can't drop an eGo into the Gulf of Mexico and expect it to ever work again. You can't pound tent stakes into the ground with an eGo. Well, you could, maybe, but that's the last thing you'll ever do with it.

IOW = In other words...