not happy with e-cigs so far

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Rookie here! I'm just amazed at the amount of great people posting great advise and their experiences with these fun little vaping devices. I wish I could tell everyone individually a big fat THANKS, but that would take a long time. But for whoever reads this. THANK YOU FOR HELPING US ROOKIES!


Hi, Anoregami, I love your screen name, does it have a special meaning?

I'm pretty new to vaping myself, and started out with a smaller 808 ecig and cartomizers (the ones with stuffing in them). They look nice, and they are handy because they are small, but the batteries didn't last long, I found them annoying and messy to clean and refill, and that burnt taste near the end of them was not satisfying either. When one of the batteries died after only a month of use, I decided it was time to look for something better.

After some research, I replaced that kit with an Innokin Lea Kross, because of it's longer battery life (650 mah) and it's versatility- it comes with adapters that allow you to use any type of threaded cartos or atomizers, a pass through usb charger that allows you to vape while its charging. It's very attractive and discreet looking- it looks like a rather large expensive pen, and feels very natural in your hand. I ordered a few atomizers to go with it, because that kit only comes with extra large cartos, and I wanted to try something new.

The mouthpiece/tank cartridges that fit the Lea atties are very easy to clean and refill, there's no polyfill stuffing, you don't need any tools to get the cartridge open, you don't need a syringe to fill them, and they don't leak at all unless you overfill them. Very little fuss, no mess at all. I don't use the mouthpiece/tank as a tank unless I'm going out, as I prefer to drip a few drops at a time into the atty itself- it tastes worlds and worlds better to me than cartomisers- I just use the mouthpiece/tank without the endcap on. It works nicely as a drip tip, so you don't need to buy them separately unless you want something prettier. I like to sample a lot of different flavors, so dripping is my thing, but the mouthpiece/tanks on the Lea work very well; I've never had one leak, and they're so much quicker and more convenient to fill than cartos.

Since you already know you dislike cartomizers, I would suggest that you try the Lea 800- it comes with atomizers instead of cartos. It's been so much easier and more satisfying for me, and while it's certainly not the most powerful battery or the top of the line, for ease of use, flavor and versatility, I think it's really ideal for newer users- it has been for me.

Having a sore throat is not uncommon when you start vaping, but it should go away if you make sure you're drinking plenty of water, and if you find you are just plain vaping too much, you might try a higher nicotine level. I have also heard that decreasing the percentage of PG can help some people with that.

Whatever system you choose, keep your atties wet while you are vaping and super clean to avoid the nasty burnt taste. How often you need to clean them will depend on the juices you use, I generally clean mine whenever I'm making a drastic flavor change, or once every 4 or 5 days if I'm on a dedicated flavor atty (best way, imo). There are lots of simple cleaning methods, but I prefer the baking soda/vinegar method:

Put a small amount of baking soda into the atty, add vinegar, quickly cover the opening and shake, allowing the foam to spurt out the hole in the battery connection end. Repeat several times, continue adding vinegar til there is no foaming action left. Rinse very well in very hot water, blow out excess water, dry in a low temp (around 170 F for me) oven for a half hour, followed by a dry burn on your battery, another hot water rinse, blow out, dry out in low temp oven again for another half hour. Make sure you prime your wick with the flavor of your choice before you start vaping on it again. This method should remove any lingering burnt flavors, it's worked very well for me, but if you still detect a bad taste, some people have recommended soaking in vodka or even boiling your atties. I haven't need to try either of those so far, but I do try to keep certain atties for certain flavors- cinnamon flavors tend to linger in an atty, and my dill pickle atty, needless to say, only ever gets refilled with dill pickle. :laugh:

Whatever you choose to try, good luck, and don't give up! It's a pretty high learning curve, but it's worth it- it will save your life. Look at it as an adventure, and make sure you keep it fun for yourself. Try lots of interesting flavors and experiment til you find your best system for success.
 

Anoregami

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Before I got the Twist I was using 1100mah pass-through batteries, eGo clones that are unregulated. They are 4.2 volts when completely charged and 3.6 volts when they need recharging. Therefore all my cartos, attys, and clearos are in the 2.0 ohm to 3.5 ohm range.

With the Twist I vape Strawberry or Watermelon (with 3 ohm) at 3.6 volts (4 watts) and RY4 or Butterscotch (with 2.5 ohm) at 4.2 volts (7 watts). These numbers are where these juices taste best to me and the Twist will hold the voltage where I set it. I guess some others don't enjoy vaping at such low watts. It's a matter of what tastes best to each individual and is a matter of the voltage, the resistance of the carto, and the properties of the juice.

After the convenience of the eGos I find the idea of changing batteries a PITA and each eGo battery is a stand alone PV. I'm sure that there is great taste above 5 volts but I would have to have different gear, different ohm attachments (or use lower voltages, which I can already do), and spend more money. Like you, if I am happy with what I have I am not willing to spend more. I guess I am just not that curious yet! Lol.


A pass-through battery is a nice feature, but since I will own several batteries, it will allow me to make a rotation between them as they run out of juice and therefore I don't think I'm going to have the need for this characteristic.
For the moment, I'm not very demanding, I'll be satisfied with anything that doesn't have a burned taste (probably the only advantage of being used to use such a bad vaporizing system so far lol).
 

Anoregami

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After reviewing all the great advice I've been given on there, I attempted to gather models of vaporizing systems that will work with my current battery.
So now that I have a more defined list of what I'm willing to lay my hands on, could anyone recommend me a good web site that ships internationally (or at least to Europe) and that has the following items for sale (or the equivalent with a different name, that's where I start to become confused); for the shake of convenience, I'd rather purchase everything from the same online retailer:

- eGo Mega Dual Coil Cartomiser

- Joye eGo C Twist Variable Voltage 1000mAh Battery

- Vision eGo Transparent Clearomizer (if possible both short and long wicks) => please confirm it's the same as the Vision Stardust and the Vision Ego V2 Rainbow?

- Boge LR cartomizers

- Any other decent clearo? Pheonix bottom coil clearomizer, FLuxomizers, etc ... ?

- possibly a drip tip is that could be used with any of the aforementioned parts, any advice on that?


For instance, i didn't see the eGo mega DCC on healthcabin, but it can dispatch the rest.

No more e-juice for the moment, I've already a good supply at home, hopefully sufficient to last for a few months !


Thank you to all the members who have taken the time to read my posts and helped me out, that's really nice and I'm grateful to you for that :)
 

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After reviewing all the great advice I've been given on there, I attempted to gather models of vaporizing systems that will work with my current battery.
So now that I have a more defined list of what I'm willing to lay my hands on, could anyone recommend me a good web site that ships internationally (or at least to Europe) and that has the following items for sale (or the equivalent with a different name, that's where I start to become confused); for the shake of convenience, I'd rather purchase everything from the same online retailer:

- eGo Mega Dual Coil Cartomiser

- Joye eGo C Twist Variable Voltage 1000mAh Battery

- Vision eGo Transparent Clearomizer (if possible both short and long wicks) => please confirm it's the same as the Vision Stardust and the Vision Ego V2 Rainbow?

- Boge LR cartomizers

- Any other decent clearo? Pheonix bottom coil clearomizer, FLuxomizers, etc ... ?

- possibly a drip tip is that could be used with any of the aforementioned parts, any advice on that?


For instance, i didn't see the eGo mega DCC on healthcabin, but it can dispatch the rest.

No more e-juice for the moment, I've already a good supply at home, hopefully sufficient to last for a few months !


Thank you to all the members who have taken the time to read my posts and helped me out, that's really nice and I'm grateful to you for that :)

I think you will find more or less everything you are looking for from this UK supplier (use discount code ECF10 for 10% off -

Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid

As you are in France, you wont be hit with customs charges by using a UK supplier & the customer service from Vape Escape is second to none, hence why I recommend them so often.
 

Anoregami

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Indeed, I could find everything I was looking for, thank you Chrissie. Yes no customs, and less likely to have my order delayed as well.

Just one question though, can you tell me if there is any difference between those 2 clearos, apart from the design? For the first link, they say it's also a V2, so it is meant to have a long wick like on the second link?

Vision Ego Rainbow 2.5-2.9 Standard Resistance £4.75 - Vaping Spares - Cartomisers Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid

NEW Vision Ego V2 Rainbow Long Wick £4.99 - Vaping Spares - Cartomisers Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid

and just to be sure, the drip tip that appears on the picture is included with the clearo?
 

Chrissie

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Indeed, I could find everything I was looking for, thank you Chrissie. Yes no customs, and less likely to have my order delayed as well.

Just one question though, can you tell me if there is any difference between those 2 clearos, apart from the design? For the first link, they say it's also a V2, so it is meant to have a long wick like on the second link?

Vision Ego Rainbow 2.5-2.9 Standard Resistance £4.75 - Vaping Spares - Cartomisers Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid

NEW Vision Ego V2 Rainbow Long Wick £4.99 - Vaping Spares - Cartomisers Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid

and just to be sure, the drip tip that appears on the picture is included with the clearo?

I'm fairly certain the first link is to the short wick version (even though it says V2).

Second link are definitely for the newer long wick.

Yes the drip tip in the pic is included.
 

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I too am pretty new to vaping. I have wasted a certain amount of money before getting anything close to helping me quit smoking analog cigs. I have read a tin and have watched countless videos. Since most opinions are subjective, it's hard to find the right product at the right price point when ordering online. I finally went to a vaping shop yesterday with my setup and asked for advice. It was great because I tested many options in many price ranges before I committed to buy anything. This saved me a ton of money. I got stuff that I test-drove without waiting for shipping. After I chose the right mods I then tested several juices. When I found one that I loved, I purchased a good size bottle. This was a great experience for me.
 

Anoregami

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I'm fairly certain the first link is to the short wick version (even though it says V2).

Second link are definitely for the newer long wick.

Yes the drip tip in the pic is included.

Alright, I'll definitely try both versions but I'll preferably get the long wick model. No spare drip tip if it's already included since I imagine this part doesn't wear out over time.

thank you.
 

Anoregami

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I too am pretty new to vaping. I have wasted a certain amount of money before getting anything close to helping me quit smoking analog cigs. I have read a tin and have watched countless videos. Since most opinions are subjective, it's hard to find the right product at the right price point when ordering online. I finally went to a vaping shop yesterday with my setup and asked for advice. It was great because I tested many options in many price ranges before I committed to buy anything. This saved me a ton of money. I got stuff that I test-drove without waiting for shipping. After I chose the right mods I then tested several juices. When I found one that I loved, I purchased a good size bottle. This was a great experience for me.

Unfortunately, I never come across a vaping shop here in France so far, thus I must stick with the old trial and error method :(
 

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After reviewing all the great advice I've been given on there, I attempted to gather models of vaporizing systems that will work with my current battery.
So now that I have a more defined list of what I'm willing to lay my hands on, could anyone recommend me a good web site that ships internationally (or at least to Europe) and that has the following items for sale (or the equivalent with a different name, that's where I start to become confused); for the shake of convenience, I'd rather purchase everything from the same online retailer:

- eGo Mega Dual Coil Cartomiser

- Joye eGo C Twist Variable Voltage 1000mAh Battery

- Vision eGo Transparent Clearomizer (if possible both short and long wicks) => please confirm it's the same as the Vision Stardust and the Vision Ego V2 Rainbow?

- Boge LR cartomizers

- Any other decent clearo? Pheonix bottom coil clearomizer, FLuxomizers, etc ... ?

510 driptips - possibly a drip tip for EMDCC *type B is that could be used with any of the aforementioned parts, any advice on that?
Any 510 driptips will work with any 510 cartos or atties, just get a few that you like and try it.


For instance, i didn't see the eGo mega DCC on healthcabin, but it can dispatch the rest.

I put the links in for you. Are you sure you need the longer eGo Twist 1000 mAh to start with. I would rather get two shorter 650 mAh even though that would be more expensive... Just a thought.. By the way, you will need a a few accessories like a blunt needle syringe to fill EMDCC properly.
Happy vaping. :vapor:
 

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When choosing between any 1000mah and 650mah, there are some things to consider.

1) Any battery has a finite number of charge/discharge cycles (duty cycles) that define its expected lifetime. A 500mah battery will need to be charged twice as often as a 1000mah battery. Therefore the 500mah battery will have 1/2 the lifespan.

2) A larger battery will maintain it's voltage longer than a smaller battery, per charge.

3) Joyetech, the manufacturer, estimates the lifespan of the ego 650mah battery to be 4-6 months under average use. When you add variable voltage, that lifespan will be reduced due to the need to charge more often, as a result of utilization at a higher voltage than was assumed in the original estimate. Therefore, if you want any chance of having a VV eGo last for a year, you should go with the 1000mah battery. The 1000mah battery may last for a year, especially if it's not used as your sole PV. There is no way a 650 will last that long unless you use it for well under 1/2 of your vaping time.

4) The 1000mah will stay further below it's maximum C-rating, increasing the life above and beyond any difference caused solely by less frequent charging.

5) The 1000mah, while appreciably longer than the 650, is not proportionately longer. It's not 45% longer.

Neither the 650 or the 100mah Twist is discreet. They are both longer than any other battery of their capacity. If you want something discreet, you're looking at the wrong thing in the first place. It's up to you to decide whether the marginal length advantage of the 650 outweighs the inherent disadvantages of a smaller battery.
 
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Anoregami

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I put the links in for you. Are you sure you need the longer eGo Twist 1000 mAh to start with. I would rather get two shorter 650 mAh even though that would be more expensive... Just a thought.. By the way, you will need a a few accessories like a blunt needle syringe to fill EMDCC properly.
Happy vaping. :vapor:

Thank you dragonbone for providing me the direct links, that's very kind of you :)

I'll opt for the 1000mAh battery, because if I set a higher voltage then my PV will end up drawing more power and I'd like to get a fairly good battery life from it. I don't mind if the battery is bulkier and as you pointed it out, two 650 mAh batteries will cost me more. Last but not least, I already own 2 batteries like that from totally wicked and they are almost as if they were brand new, since I didn't really enjoy vaping burned stuffing I barely used them.


When choosing between any 1000mah and 650mah, there are some things to consider.

1) Any battery has a finite number of charge/discharge cycles (duty cycles) that define its expected lifetime. A 500mah battery will need to be charged twice as often as a 1000mah battery. Therefore the 500mah battery will have 1/2 the lifespan.

2) A larger battery will maintain it's voltage longer than a smaller battery, per charge.

3) Joyetech, the manufacturer, estimates the lifespan of the ego 650mah battery to be 4-6 months under average use. When you add variable voltage, that lifespan will be reduced due to the need to charge more often, as a result of utilization at a higher voltage than was assumed in the original estimate. Therefore, if you want any chance of having a VV eGo last for a year, you should go with the 1000mah battery. The 1000mah battery may last for a year, especially if it's not used as your sole PV. There is no way a 650 will last that long unless you use it for well under 1/2 of your vaping time.

4) The 1000mah will stay further below it's maximum C-rating, increasing the life above and beyond any difference caused solely by less frequent charging.

5) The 1000mah, while appreciably longer than the 650, is not proportionately longer. It's not 45% longer.

Neither the 650 or the 100mah Twist is discreet. They are both longer than any other battery of their capacity. If you want something discreet, you're looking at the wrong thing in the first place. It's up to you to decide whether the marginal length advantage of the 650 outweighs the inherent disadvantages of a smaller battery.


I did take into account what you're citing here, plus for the reasons that I mentioned above, I'll pick up the higher capacity battery. By the way thank you for the explanations, I find them very interesting. I wish I had the opportunity to choose a higher capacity battery than the stock one when, for instance, I purchase a mobile phone. Indeed I'd rather have a mobile with an extended battery life and I'd easily accept the trade off that consists in having a few more tenths of an inch in thickness.



That's too bad. It has saved me money and gotten me using stuff I like.

Yes that's too bad. I guess the reason behind this absence of vaping shops is that vaping is a relatively new trend, and as of now, it's a pretty marginal practice here in France. For example, you will hardly, if ever, bump into somebody who is vaping in the streets or in public places.
Hopefully, should this market skyrocket in the next few years, vaping shops will flourish as we see an increase in demand for PVs and the like.
 
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"Yes that's too bad. I guess the reason behind this absence of vaping shops is that vaping is a relatively new trend, and as of now, it's a pretty marginal practice here in France."

Anoregami, I was in Calais on Monday having lunch with family. Took a well known brand of ecig with me (small looks-like-a-cigarette type - you know the ones -gs) - not my usual vape but convenient. Was getting long stares from young people particularly, who I think had heard of ecigs but never seen them.
 

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Honestly that doesn't surprise me at all, France lags behind the rest of other similar countries in terms of PVs. Imagine if your VP didn't look like an analog cig, they would have starred at you as if you were an alien lol.
There have been a few reportage about PV on TV though, but they are still not popular. I thought that the combination of the smoking ban in public places and indoors that has been enforced a few years ago, and now the broad range of VPs available for sale, would help the latter become more widespread, but it seems that's not the case yet.
 

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Anoregami -- Although we have many vaping-goods stores here in the US, it's still not that common to come across other vapers "in the wild" (on the streets, haha!) At least not in my area of Florida. I've been vaping publicly for 4.5 months and have yet to see even ONE other vaper... except for our monthly social vaper's group. So please don't feel alone. I get plenty of stares when I sit in the smokers section of the local bars. Which is fine by me, since I welcome their curiosity and love it when people ask me what I'm doing :vapor:

By the way, I also am using the Ego 1100mah batteries (originally came with the Ego-T tanks which I was not pleased with). I love the batteries however and currently use them with the clear, EMDCC 1.5ohm cartomizers. I like these EMDCC's so much that I bought a bulk order of 100x. No regrets at all. I love being able to see how much e-liquid remains, and I have never experienced a strange "filler" taste that some others have described.

I also have best results when the filler is not too wet. To accomplish this, I soak them half-way and then do a very gentle "taryn spin" using one of my husband's socks! This sends the juice from the top of the filler, all the way through to the bottom with a few empty-ish spaces in between. At no time do I ever TOTALLY soak one of these EMDCC's.

They also emit increased plumes of vapor when filled and allowed to sit and wick for a day before vaping. From then on, I just top off with a ml or so every morning. Each one lasts me 4-5 days and then I rinse them out under the sink tap water, and use them again about 3x each. (I could keep on topping off but I feel like I ought to clean them out, occasionally) At $2.50 or so per EMDCC this is certainly cheaper than analogs

FYI... I am using juices not too thick ... 80%PG and 20% VG works best for me. It would be tough to saturate the EMDCC's filler with thick VG-based juices I think
 

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Try going big: ProVari and a genesis type atomizer. They will not let you down. I had my share of bad e-cigs experiences 2 years ago and I finally stopped searching after spending a huge amount of money and went back to smoking.
This spring I decided to give it another try and got a ProVari and a genesis. Never looked back at analogs for more than 4 months. This is much better than any cigarette.
 
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