not happy with e-cigs so far
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Hi Anor, I see many people have been helping you. I just wanted to show you a pic of my eGo's with different cartomizers and Stardust and EMDCC. By the way, not to confuse you even more, but many poeple after buying the new longer wick Vision Stardust found that the original short one was best. Oh and I LOVE my EMDCC ! My last one lasted more than 6 months and I finally threw it away, not because it was broken, but because I wanted to try a new one. To try VV, you could pick up an eGo Twist and see how you like it. I LOVE mine and want to get some more.
Hi Dragon, what a nice collection of e-cigs you have there, very impressive
But now my plain black e-cigs appear very dull compared to yours (no that's not a disguised blame
).Thank you for the links, that's the parts I'll get in priority.
I still have many unopened flavor concentrate bottles from Totally Wicked, I ordered plenty (3 batches of 10 in total) so that I don't run out of e-juice, but undoubtedly sooner or later I'll get some more, so I've added your link to my bookmarks for a subsequent use. Once I could smell the genuine taste of e-juice not masked by the burned flavor, I might start to chain vape
Alright, that seems simpler all of a sudden
I'll do more experiments when I'll have received my new parts, the burned taste really put me off, so until now I focused my efforts on trying to get rid off it, no on trying various combinations of PG/VG/nic/flavors.
You mean that if you increase the voltage of a VV battery, with a given resistance, the current will decrease proportionally, so that in fine the power remains the same? And that on the other hand, variable wattage systems will try to keep a constant current over a wide range of voltages?
A Dual Coil Carto has always its 2 coils connected in a parallel circuit?
I've never used PEG-400. I've heard it's better than PG. It's not a substitute for VG. All I really know is that it's expensive.
If you want to send it to me, I'll make some juice with it and tell you how it works.
Hehe, when I try it it I'll let you know if it's worth the price compared to PG. Maybe there are tiny samples of PEG, or pre-mixed PEG ready to use e-juices, I don't know I didn't pay attention.
Hi, Anoregami and welcome. I'm sorry for your troubles, and I believe you got some great advice here. It's grown a little confusing, though...
I just want to stress that, unfortunately, you tried two of the least well performing setups out there - the atomizer-cartridge and the atomizer-tank. You are definitely not alone in having issues with these, so I just wanted to pitch in saying that there is a LOT of room for improvement with the options presented by people here - cartomizers, clearomizers and even a bare atomizer in which to simply drip the liquid. It is going to be much better.
I would just make sure that regardless what else you get, you do get at least one pack of Boge low resistance cartomizers. They may not have the "best" flavor, but they still are in my opinion, the most reliable, repeatable and consistent vaping experience in this class of disposable attachments. You might love the eGo Vision / Stardust, or the Pheonix bottom coil clearomizer, or the FLuxomizers or whatnot. But if one of those lets you down, having a Boge carto around means you'll always be able to have a vape, pure and simple.
No - when you increase voltage, current increases as well, and so does the power. You can increase power in two ways: by increasing the voltage or decreasing the resistance. Both options increase current and, hence, power. If you increase the voltage, power increases. If you leave the voltage alone and change the atomizer / cartomizer with a low resistance one, power increases as well.
Variable power devices allow you to skip the math: they automatically adjust the voltage to give out the set power regardless of the resistance. You can increase the power by adjusting your setting, but if you change the atomizer / cartomizer with a different resistance one, the power (and hence the vaping experience, to a point) remains the same.
Yes. If they were linked in series they'd make up a very high resistance attachment. As they are, they form a "low resistance" device, that draws power like a low resistance single coil, but puts out significantly less heat.
I just want to stress that, unfortunately, you tried two of the least well performing setups out there - the atomizer-cartridge and the atomizer-tank. You are definitely not alone in having issues with these, so I just wanted to pitch in saying that there is a LOT of room for improvement with the options presented by people here - cartomizers, clearomizers and even a bare atomizer in which to simply drip the liquid. It is going to be much better.
I would just make sure that regardless what else you get, you do get at least one pack of Boge low resistance cartomizers. They may not have the "best" flavor, but they still are in my opinion, the most reliable, repeatable and consistent vaping experience in this class of disposable attachments. You might love the eGo Vision / Stardust, or the Pheonix bottom coil clearomizer, or the FLuxomizers or whatnot. But if one of those lets you down, having a Boge carto around means you'll always be able to have a vape, pure and simple.
No - when you increase voltage, current increases as well, and so does the power. You can increase power in two ways: by increasing the voltage or decreasing the resistance. Both options increase current and, hence, power. If you increase the voltage, power increases. If you leave the voltage alone and change the atomizer / cartomizer with a low resistance one, power increases as well.
Variable power devices allow you to skip the math: they automatically adjust the voltage to give out the set power regardless of the resistance. You can increase the power by adjusting your setting, but if you change the atomizer / cartomizer with a different resistance one, the power (and hence the vaping experience, to a point) remains the same.
Yes. If they were linked in series they'd make up a very high resistance attachment. As they are, they form a "low resistance" device, that draws power like a low resistance single coil, but puts out significantly less heat.
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No, as you increase the voltage with a given resistance, the current increases proportionately.
Volts/resistance = Amps
3.7/1.5 = 2.47A
5.0/1.5 = 3.33A
At higher resistance, 3ohms
3.7/3.0 = 1.23A
5.23/3.0 = 1.74A
If you use the same voltage, the power increase is inversely proportional to the increase in resistance.
3.7 x 3.7 / 3 = 4.56 Watts at 1.23 Amps
3.7 x 3.7 / 1.5 = 9.12 Watts at 2.47 Amps, Half as much resistance = twice as much power and current.
But increasing both the resistance and the voltage results in a lower current draw for the same resultant power. This is a benefit of high voltage vaping. It presents less strain on the battery for an equal amount of power.
3.7 x 3.7 / 1.5 = 9.12 Watts at 2.46 Amps
5.23 x 5.23 / 3 = 9.12 Watts at 1.74 Amps
As you increase the voltage of a VV device, the power is increasing along with the current draw.
With a Variable Wattage device, you set the power level and the device measures the resistance of the carto, does the calculations and adjusts the voltage to produce the desired power.
With variable voltage, you either have to assume that your carto is not changing resistance or check it. Then, if you know you prefer a certain power level, you have to do the calculation or adjust it by taste. The variable watt device does all that for you and compensates for resistance changes caused by heating or wear on the carto.
Yes. They are labeled with the total circuit resistance, not the resistance of their individual coils, which are responsible for the heat, individually.
I think there are pre-mixed juices that use PEG. I think they claim to have a "cleaner" taste, whatever that means. USP grade PG is tasteless, as far as I've been able to tell. You can probably find discussion of it in the DIY forum.
Hi everyone:
I started out with a eGo 510 with cartridges that I fill with liquid. Like the unit, but ordered some eGo-T's and so far they just taste TERRIBLE! I know for sure that I got as much primer as humanly possible out of them. Rinsed and dried the atty's, but don't want to try to disassemble them for fear of voiding the warranty. The eGo tastes great with the same fluids, so what am I doing wrong with the 510-T's? Can anyone suggest another unit? I'm not against expanding my collection and definitely want to find the right device for me.
Thanks so much in advance!
I started out with a eGo 510 with cartridges that I fill with liquid. Like the unit, but ordered some eGo-T's and so far they just taste TERRIBLE! I know for sure that I got as much primer as humanly possible out of them. Rinsed and dried the atty's, but don't want to try to disassemble them for fear of voiding the warranty. The eGo tastes great with the same fluids, so what am I doing wrong with the 510-T's? Can anyone suggest another unit? I'm not against expanding my collection and definitely want to find the right device for me.
Thanks so much in advance!
Anoregami:
The E Turbo Atomizer mentioned in Post #28 is similar to or the same as the Star Dust, or Vision eGo clearomizer. It goes by many different names depending on the vendor.
To clarify on the Twist: you already have backup or secondary PVs. You can get the Twist from Health Cabin
Search Results : Healthcabin Electronic Cigarettes - Wholesale and Retail
for 17.68 (650mah) or 20.63 (1000mah) Euros. That's a fair price, I think, to be able to try Variable Voltage to see if it has any advantages for you.
The 1000mah Twist is 4 3/4 inches (121mm) long and weighs an ounce and a half (42 grams). It is rechargeable with the eGo style (420ma) charger that screws onto the 510 connection.
I can tell how desperate you are to get a good vape. The amount of information you have absorbed in this thread is phenomenal!
Relax, Enjoy!
The E Turbo Atomizer mentioned in Post #28 is similar to or the same as the Star Dust, or Vision eGo clearomizer. It goes by many different names depending on the vendor.
To clarify on the Twist: you already have backup or secondary PVs. You can get the Twist from Health Cabin
Search Results : Healthcabin Electronic Cigarettes - Wholesale and Retail
for 17.68 (650mah) or 20.63 (1000mah) Euros. That's a fair price, I think, to be able to try Variable Voltage to see if it has any advantages for you.
The 1000mah Twist is 4 3/4 inches (121mm) long and weighs an ounce and a half (42 grams). It is rechargeable with the eGo style (420ma) charger that screws onto the 510 connection.
I can tell how desperate you are to get a good vape. The amount of information you have absorbed in this thread is phenomenal!
Relax, Enjoy!
Hi elfstone and thank you for your reply.
Since I'm relatively new to the vaping world, I'll try different cartos, clearos, DCC's and I'll add the Boge LR cartos to my list.
I thought I'd have to re buy a new starter kit, but since I can keep my current batteries, for the same price I can get a bit of everything, which is probably better for a beginner like me, especially in a field where personal preferences prevail over more technical aspects.
Even a non high-end VV battery (e.g. for $50) could handle correctly the voltage increase, not at the expense of a drop in current?
Since I'm relatively new to the vaping world, I'll try different cartos, clearos, DCC's and I'll add the Boge LR cartos to my list.
I thought I'd have to re buy a new starter kit, but since I can keep my current batteries, for the same price I can get a bit of everything, which is probably better for a beginner like me, especially in a field where personal preferences prevail over more technical aspects.
Even a non high-end VV battery (e.g. for $50) could handle correctly the voltage increase, not at the expense of a drop in current?
You are going through the exact same thing the OP is. Ditch the tank systems. They don't work and there are a million posts here to prove it. Almost everyone ends up changing their juice delivery method to a Cartomizer or a Clearomizer.
Take the eGo cartridges and cone and atomizer of of your PV and throw it in a box. Label the box "Junk". Keep the battery. Do the same thing with the so-called tanks on the 510. Get a box of 1.7ohm Smoketech Cartomizers and/or 2ohm Boge Cartomizers and/or a couple 2.1-2.4ohm eGo Vision Clearomizers (Stardust or CE4+ clearomizers).
You don't need any new devices. The problem is not your e-cig/battery. The problem is the tank systems attached to the end of them. If you buy a few clearomiers and cartomizers, you won't need any other parts. Keep an atomizer for testing new juice. Otherwise just stick the rest of it in a junk box. You'll end up with one of those too, if you don't already have one.
Try the Elite from Electronic Cigarettes from Cigeasy - Home of the Easy E-Cigarette I have used virtually every type of e cig on the market since I started vaping over 3 1/1 years ago, and the burning taste has been my number one complaint. I have spent thousands of dollars trying them all, and the issue persists. The Elite is the only consistently good model I have found. I am NOT a mod fan, so no interest in hearing the gospel of mods. Anyway, if you want to try something good and consistent without the burning issue, I would buy this one.
A non high-end VV battery may have a small drop in voltage at the higher end of the range, especially as the battery gets low. The concern is not a drop in current. The concern is a drop in voltage. You want the battery to deliver the voltage at which it is set. Small batteries have a harder time doing that and the cheaper VV's don't maintain their voltage under load as well as the best ones when you start setting them at over 5V. But there are $50 VVs that do it well enough that it's not a significant issue.
The Ovale V8 is about $50. It holds voltage very well because it uses a regulation circuit instead of a booster circuit. It uses 2 batteries in series. The voltage is regulated down from 7.4V instead of being boosted up from 3.7V.
The Lavatube uses a booster circuit. It costs about $50 also. It boosts the voltage up from an initial charge of 4.2V. It starts dropping voltage when the battery reaches about 3.7V. Fortunately, the battery is 1600-2000mah , so it isn't noticeable until after about 8 hours of vaping. This is an advantage of a larger battery.
The problem of voltage drop doesn't really pose a significant problem with most devices until you set them at 4.5V or more when the battery is getting low. The Twist avoids this problem by limiting the voltage to 4.8V. You won't notice a drop from 5 or 5.5V because you won't be there in the first place.
THIS ^^^^ is what is going to solve your problem, not a new device, VV or otherwise. There is absolutely nothing wrong with your situation that a different carto, clearo, etc. will not cure. It would be a total waste to buy another device or kit, ANY device. All you need to do is spend a little bit on a proper juice delivery system. Batteries and e-cigs don't burn anything. Only coils burn things. If you are getting burning, change your coil, not your device.
It's a bit complicated not to be lost with so many different names designating the same component, all the technologies that differ from each other, and so on ...
Yes at the moment I have 2 working batteries, so the twist won't be my one and only VP. I agree that €21 for a 1 000 mAh is a fairly decent price, I won't complain. That's basically how much I payed for a fixed voltage battery of an identical capacity, so for the same price I consider the ability to control the voltage to be the icing on the cake.
The size and weight are acceptable imo, and the possibility to charge it with my current charger is also an asset.
Another thing Anor... Why not try some of the premixed ejuices? I know your concerned with flavor, but if your wanting to keep this as simple as possible, why start out with making your own? Try flavors from different vendors (start small- that usually equates to cheaper) and once you dial in what flavors you enjoy you can begin to make your own versions.
I say this only because I am surprised about the flavors that I personally gravitate to. I certainly wouldn't have thought them being contenders for my 'all day vape' but that's is indeed what they have become. Obviously you'll need to dial in your equipment a bit, but as your experimenting with your hardware.. you may need a solid (same every time!) juice to be able to compare. Just my .02
I say this only because I am surprised about the flavors that I personally gravitate to. I certainly wouldn't have thought them being contenders for my 'all day vape' but that's is indeed what they have become. Obviously you'll need to dial in your equipment a bit, but as your experimenting with your hardware.. you may need a solid (same every time!) juice to be able to compare. Just my .02
Ok, then I was wrong when I made the assumption than the resistance was always stable.
I think that's why i got confused when you evoked both VV batteries and variable power batteries, theoretically they'd be the same, no? It's in fact because when you modify the voltage, a standard VV batteries will assume the resistance hasn't change, whilst a VP power will measure the resistance in real time, and adapt the voltage dynamically, accordingly to changes in the resistance so that the power is unchanged?
That's seems logical after all, otherwise if you put 2 identical resistance in series, you can say that there's virtually only one resistance that equals thee sum of the two, and then that would be pointless to claim it's a dual coil carto (even though that would technically be true)
I'll try it when I'll be more experienced, honestly I'm not sure that in a blind test I could tell and really feel a (positive) difference.
Do you know if the clearos used in the kit from the link you mention will adapt on a 510 battery? If so I can add it to my wish list
My current batteries have a voltage of 3.4V, and I think I'll use mainly lighter e-juices (fruits flavors), so I don't need a very high voltage, do I?
I think I'd probably not care not being able to push the voltage beyond 4 V
Then would this battery that I've been suggested to purchase be sufficient for my needs?
Joye eGo C Twist Variable Voltage 1000mAh Battery
It's $25, so the price suits me, and if it's decent enough, I am not willing to spend more
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For me the Silver Bullet with a 1.5 dual coil carto and various tanks have been what I have finally been looking for. I use from dark thick juices to clear thin juices, all with good results. The further you go your setup will evolve but most people will just have to try different things to find what works for them. Highly recommend checking out some reviews on youtube, grimmgreen is a pretty solid reviewer and will answer your questions honestly, as I'm sure a lot of you already know. Good luck!
I've learned something useful here at least
At first I thought my batteries could be put to the trash unless I got parts separately that are included in a new (similar) kit from the same vendor.
Well I didn't know what nicotine strength would satisfy me in the first place, that's mainly why I decided to purchase diluent (PG & VG + a small bottle of PEG-400), the nic based liquid and the favors concentrate individually. Also on the economic side, as far as I can remember that was noticeably cheaper than getting the same amount of each ingredient in premixed juices.
Apart from being a time-consuming activity, I don't mind playing with a syringe
For the moment I prefer to steer clear of tanks due to the overall bad experience I've had with them, but who knows, I might retry one of them in the future if a new and improved version is released.
As for the dual coil carto, I'll definitely get a few different models to see what I favor.
Yes. Fundamentally, it's a matter of stability. With a VV system, you are manually adjusting the voltage to chase a certain power level. With a VW system, it is done automatically.
People normally select a cartomizer according to its resistance. They expect a 1.5ohm cartomizer to be warmer than a 3ohm cartomizer. The battery is providing the same total power, but it is split in half and doesn't work the same way. It's as if you paid someone to drill a 100' well and, instead, they drilled two 50' wells.
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My current batteries have a voltage of 3.4V, and I think I'll use mainly lighter e-juices (fruits flavors), so I don't need a very high voltage, do I?
I think I'd probably not care not being able to push the voltage beyond 4 V
Then would this battery that I've been suggested to purchase be sufficient for my needs?
Joye eGo C Twist Variable Voltage 1000mAh Battery
It's $25, so the price suits me, and if it's decent enough, I am not willing to spend more
The issue isn't voltage. It's being able to generate sufficient power without exceeding the current limitations of the battery.
Most low end batteries have a current limitation of 2A to 2.5A. The "C-Rating" or discharge limitation of these types of batteries is about 2 or 3. For a 650mah battery, a C rating of 3 would allow for 1950ma or about 2 amps. For light juices, you will probably prefer vaping at 6-8 watts. Using a 3ohm resistance, the power range of the Twist would provide between 3.4 and 7.6 Watts. You could squeeze a little more out if you used a lower resistance, but you'd have to keep the voltage down to avoid exceeding a 2 amp current draw. Small batteries don't survive that kind of strain for long.
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I like the analogy you've drawn here. Well I'll try a DCC along with single coil clearos, I think as long as I don't expect them to double the amount of vapor I won't be really disappointed. And if the cloud is not as warm as it is with a standard ato it's not a big deal for me
So it's safer to get a 1 000 mAh VV battery than a lower capacity one. Anyway I don't plan on using it on a daily basis, so hopefully if it lasts a year I'll be fine with that.
My current batteries have a voltage of 3.4V, and I think I'll use mainly lighter e-juices (fruits flavors), so I don't need a very high voltage, do I?
I think I'd probably not care not being able to push the voltage beyond 4 V
Then would this battery that I've been suggested to purchase be sufficient for my needs?
Joye eGo C Twist Variable Voltage 1000mAh Battery
It's $25, so the price suits me, and if it's decent enough, I am not willing to spend more
Before I got the Twist I was using 1100mah pass-through batteries, eGo clones that are unregulated. They are 4.2 volts when completely charged and 3.6 volts when they need recharging. Therefore all my cartos, attys, and clearos are in the 2.0 ohm to 3.5 ohm range.
With the Twist I vape Strawberry or Watermelon (with 3 ohm) at 3.6 volts (4 watts) and RY4 or Butterscotch (with 2.5 ohm) at 4.2 volts (7 watts). These numbers are where these juices taste best to me and the Twist will hold the voltage where I set it. I guess some others don't enjoy vaping at such low watts. It's a matter of what tastes best to each individual and is a matter of the voltage, the resistance of the carto, and the properties of the juice.
After the convenience of the eGos I find the idea of changing batteries a PITA and each eGo battery is a stand alone PV. I'm sure that there is great taste above 5 volts but I would have to have different gear, different ohm attachments (or use lower voltages, which I can already do), and spend more money. Like you, if I am happy with what I have I am not willing to spend more. I guess I am just not that curious yet! Lol.
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