"Fake" Ego

[stadiumlove]

So I ordered an EGO starter kit from a Canadian vendor in the fall, and so far I havn't had any problems with it. However, since Joining ECF and lurking the forums (and seeing pictures of genuine Joye EGO kits) I have a feeling that the kit I purchased was a knockoff. The box it came it doesn't have JOYE written anywhere on it, and the instruction manual that it came with was very poorly written with grammar and spelling errors.

Now from what I gather there are many EGO knockoffs floating around and for the most part they perform just as well as the Genuine JOYE brand..I just feel a little annoyed because I thought I was ordering a genuine JOYE product.

any thoughts?

 

[PsychOfMSE]

You may have gotten lucky and picked up an unregulated battery. Genuine eGo batteries are regulated to 3.4v. I much prefer a 3.7v battery.

 

[theWayISshut]

No such thing as fake Ego as far as I'm concerned. The one I had is a generic one which cost me triple the amount of a branded one. I should have known better by researching first before buying.

It's not hard to figure they're all made from the same country and manufacturer. And let's face it, it's basically a flashlight. Nothing rocket science about it. It's a battery housed in a thin metal and a switch. Any manufacturer with machine tools can produce it.

 

[PsychOfMSE]

No such thing as fake Ego as far as I'm concerned. The one I had is a generic one which cost me triple the amount of a branded one. It's not easy to figure they're made from the same country and manufacturer. And let's face it, it's basically a flashlight. Nothing rocket science about it. It's a battery housed in a thin metal and a switch. Any manufacturer with machine tools can produce it.

You've got it partially correct. Genuine eGos use a regulator along with the battery so it stays a consistent 3.4v.

 

[theWayISshut]

You've got it partially correct. Genuine eGos use a regulator along with the battery so it stays a consistent 3.4v.

Haven't found evidence to support this. Even then the advantage is practically negligible. Battery life is fixed. No more no less. Regulators neither add to it nor subtract from it. Regulation means maintaing a straight level (shorter time, constant voltage) as opposed to a gradual decrease thus a downward curve (longer time). I'm perfectly happy with that.

I have a 650maH Ego. (I'm a light smoker and I only used it to satisfy smoke cravings.) I most likely not see any significant difference between the two. The differnce between last drag in what I have (assuming it's the unregulated one) is vapor and zero vapor. The liquids involved don't need a lot of wattage to vaporize.

 

[PsychOfMSE]

Haven't found evidence to support this. Even then the advantage is practically negligible. Battery life is fixed. No more no less. Regulators neither add to it nor subtract from it. Regulation means maintaing a straight level (shorter time) as opposed to a gradual decrease thus a downward curve (longer time).

I have a 650maH Ego. (I'm a light smoker and I only used it to satisfy smoke cravings.) I most likely not see any significant difference between the two. The differnce between last drag in what I have (assuming it's the unregulated one) is vapor and zero vapor. The liquids involved don't need a lot of wattage to vaporize.

Genuine eGos *ARE* regulated to 3.4v. It doesn't increase battery life, it just helps the dropoff from a non-regulated battery.

Early kGos were regulated as well, but they are not these days.

 

[Mindfield]

If it concerns you, there are a few ways to tell if the vendor you're buying an eGo from is selling genuine Joye.

1. They'll probably advertise that it's genuine Joye.
2. It won't be cheap. Joye has minimum pricing vendors must sell at.
3. The vendor won't sell any other type of eGo (no Riva, no eGo LCD, no eGo VV, etc.), because Joye makes vendors sign an agreement not to sell competing products of the same class.
4. It will probably be branded in some way, most commonly joyetech or Janty.
5. Genuine Joye eGos will always have a silver band around the button, a clear button cover, and have a rubberized coating. The button will always illuminate white at full charge. If you have gold banding, no rubberized coating, and/or a button that lights up other than white at full charge, it's not a genuine joyetech. They also do not make E-cigs with screens or battery indicators or LEDs anywhere other than the button (or the end, in the case of the 510).

 

[theWayISshut]

Genuine eGos *ARE* regulated to 3.4v. It doesn't increase battery life, it just helps the dropoff from a non-regulated battery.

Early kGos were regulated as well, but they are not these days.

Any link you have like a YT video or something to illustrate this? Just curious. Right now, I don't have measuring devices to determine what I have.

 

[theWayISshut]

This thing about Ego vs Fake is really not hard to prove.

I've seen tens of e-cig videos disproving/proving that such and such device stays at certain voltage and with the reviewer equipped with appropriate measuring instruments.

But I haven't seen one that differentiates between a fake Ego vs a "genuine" one. All the while we customers have to take someone's word for it. Thing about it to me is as if we've lost our own natural way of measuring things like human senses. I mean here I am completely satisfied with what I have, ie, current device produces the same amount of vapor comparable to a cig, TH determined by nic strenght, etc.

Bottom line to me is if you're not satisfied with what you have, try another one. I mean that in a very sincere tone.

(I'll stand corrected if you found the video I was looking for.)

 

[kanadiankat]

This thing about Ego vs Fake is really not hard to prove.

I've seen tens of e-cig videos disproving/proving various types of e-cigs that such and such device stays at certain voltage and with the reviewer equipped with appropriate measuring instruments.

But I haven't seen one that differentiate between a fake Ego vs a "genuine" one. All the while we customers have to take someone's word for it. Thing about it to me is as if our own natural measurements like human senses can't be trusted. I mean here I am completely satisfied with what I have, ie, current device produce the same amount of vapor comparable to a cig, TH determined by nic strenght, etc.

Bottom line is, if you're not satisfied with what you have, try another one. I mean that in a very sincere tone.

(I'll stand corrected if you found the video I was looking for.)

Just a quick correction here -

Joyetech (Janty) was the first one to make a 650 mAh, 3.7 V ecig with the flared body casing and cone around the atomizer. They called it an "eGo" (which, at that time was also the name of a racing bike).

Since then, most ecig manufacturers have come out with their version of a 650 mAh, 3.7 V ecig with a flared body casing and a cone atomizer. Likely because the name was not trademarked - and it's a good name - some manufacturers use the eGo name. Some do not.

A "fake Joyetech eGo" - is one that is marked or advertised or sold as a Joyetech eGo - but was not made by them.

If it wasn't sold, marketed, marked or advertised as a Joyetech eGo - it's an eGo made by another manufacturer - and not a "fake Joyetech eGo".

 

[Cokeybill]

Some "Non Joyetech Ego manufacturers" Attys have threads on the connector to the battery that are slightly out of spec. Sometimes they screw on too tight and cause a very tight draw. I've had them. I vaped so hard my head turned purple.

 

[theWayISshut]

Like I've mentioned in my first post, I paid triple the amount of a "genuine" Ego for the one I have. Whether it's superior/inferior to the "real" one, I have no way of knowing. Thus, will be happy to see a video showing the differences in performance other than appearance. (I'll be happy to give you the link of the vendor.)

So with that I had to employ common sense, ie, it's a simple device. I have no reason to believe that everything in it including an internal regulator is extremely hard to duplicate. Would the difference between a fake and genuine make a significant difference. Most likely not.


(I'll be back... time to do some weekend chores.)

 

[PsychOfMSE]

Any link you have like a YT video or something to illustrate this? Just curious. Right now, I don't have measuring devices to determine what I have.

If I get motivated enough I'll make a quick video of testing a fresh off the charger eGo battery with a multimeter. Or you can go to lowes and buy a $10 multimeter and do it yourself.


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[worstedcdogg]

Ive purchased genuine and fake ego's and the fake one have generally been better imo

except for the ego riva, i hated the rubber buttons.

 

[theWayISshut]

If I get motivated enough I'll make a quick video of testing a fresh off the charger eGo battery with a multimeter. Or you can go to lowes and buy a $10 multimeter and do it yourself.

A multimeter will only give you the dc voltage. Under load, you only get the dc voltage at some point in time. You need an oscilloscope. So you need to spend more than $10 or borrow one from someone you know.

But that's okay. I thought such video already exists.

 

[stadiumlove]

Also, I've seen on the forums people talking about their "ego-c"s ...Is an ego c just a regular ego (i've heard of ego-t's with the tank)

 

[Mindfield]

Also, I've seen on the forums people talking about their "ego-c"s ...Is an ego c just a regular ego (i've heard of ego-t's with the tank)

It's the next generation of Joyetech's tank system. The major change is the atomizer setup; the atomizer is actually now just a tiny replaceable "module" within the larger atomizer cone itself, ostensibly to make it easy for Joye to bring out higher and lower resistance versions or even standard bridge atty for drippers. Surprisingly though it actually does work a lot better than its predecessor, the eGo-T. Here's my review on it.

 

[Charlz]

The regulation is what sets the ego apart from the other gos. Not talking the fake ones vs. real cause I don't know. I'm just furthering the discussion about the regulation.
Original PVs came off the charger and declined over time. Egos use pulse regulation to regulate their batteries to stay at 3.3-3.4. It provides a consistent vape from start to finish. The downside is for those who liked a warmer vape. Joye came up with the riva which comes off the charger at 4.2 volts and spends most of its time around the 3.6-3.7v range before declining at the end. But that wasn't good enough for us. Now there's the riva SE which again, comes off the charger at 4.2 and is regulated to stay in the 3.7v range. But I've seen different descriptions on different vendors sites and all sorts of various swapping of the Kgo/Riva/Riva Se name so I may be fuzzy on what name came first but the battery evolution is accurate I believe.
I'm not really not sure how the Kgo fits into this and if it's just name swapping between vendors but I know it runs in the higher voltage range.

These days, ego seems to be a generic name to describe a higher mah battery with a 510 thread

 

[Switched]

No such thing as fake Ego as far as I'm concerned. The one I had is a generic one which cost me triple the amount of a branded one. I should have known better by researching first before buying.

It's not hard to figure they're all made from the same country and manufacturer. And let's face it, it's basically a flashlight. Nothing rocket science about it. It's a battery housed in a thin metal and a switch. Any manufacturer with machine tools can produce it.

Hum continue thinking that way... and you will be in for a few surprises on your journey.

 

[Switched]

vaping is extremely subjective... Whilst there are major differences between devices, a certain amount of mis-information abounds on ECF. The latter is propagated by neophytes watching too much TV IMHO. Although things are called eGos, they do not all perform the same, as well as the quality of said products.

When the eGo hit the streets in the spring of 2010, there were only 2 models. The eGo and the Tornado and all was relatively simple. Of course here in Canada we had the Happy eGo (sold by Happy Jack) JoyE allowed distributors to name the eGo as they wished. In the beginning that was not a problem as stated, there was the eGo (Janty) and Tornado.

The first knock of was the Riva (although it did not carry the eGo name) It employed a 750mAh battery, one that was rejected by JoyE as not meeting specifications and had proven faults and some safety concerns. JoyE does not make batteries. The Riva employed PWM although folks toted it as a 3.7V batt, nope. Until recently (probably ran out of the rejected batteries) and starting with the Riva SE, Riva's are no longer PWM. ETA: Riva batteries had a fairly high failure rate compared to JoyE products.

One of the nice things about PWMs is, longer atty life The pulse modulation and width is so rapid that it is insignificant to the vaper and the 3.7V subjective. I have regular eGos, an 18650 eGo and a VV PWM eGo. Although the 18650 eGo will outshine the normal eGo, it is short lived and the current supplied wanes over the battery charge, whereas the eGo delivers the same voltage of 3.0 and 3.7 over the battery charge. OTOH my VV eGo delivering 3.7V regulated and modulated is miles ahead of both the eGo and 18650 eGo. Why? Because to produce 3.7V it is probably pumping at 3.5-4.2V, dunno. I don't have an oscilloscope and the data is insignificant to me.

My original set of batteries on my eGos lasted me 14 months, pretty darn good. OTOH I never vaped anything but STD attys on them. LRs well that's a different story. Folks are and can, but the battery cannot withstand the current draw and longevity is reduced.

What we haven't seen since the fall of 2010 is vendors selling and claiming genuine JoyE products on items that were not JoyE. BTW JoyE is cleaning up the streets. Does this mean that other branded eGo products are garbage? No. It just means that you get what you pay for. $3 dollar atties from Eastmall perform like $3 atties and last $3 dollars worth

One example the Elipse sells for $109 (JoyE) and the competition sells for far less. Does this mean that the Ovale product carries an 580% mark up, or that the knock offs are exactly what they are, a cheaper substitute in design and performance.