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Brynglas

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You can't compare manufacturing and sale prices.
What I was comparing was end products. Everyone has to make a profit agreed. But the majority of stickies no matter who made them all cost around the same ( today's price about £8 ). Every producer competed, nobody priced a packet of 20 at more than double the next packet of 20.
As for the £3 packet they aren't that cheap because they are inferior, they are that price because they aren't paying any tax so again no comparison can be used.

There are actually price comparisons in the Stinkies Market Dave.Compare JPS to Benson and Hedges.£2+ a packet difference.Nothing to do with tax.
Bensons would tell you that's because they contain better tobacco.Jps would say they didn't.
So does that comparison transfer to the e-juice market.Do some have better contents.
I'm asking a question mate not defending the price some manufacturers charge for their product.
 

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Yes, and all those that have already gone there should not be allowed back either.

That would have the human rights liberals whining like a cow in quicksand. There is a branch of Special Forces ( JSOC ) whose sole purpose is to eliminate threats, the names and passport numbers of the returning monsters should be passed on to them so that a fitting welcome home could be arranged by way of a surprise
 

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How much does a packet of stinkies cost to produce and how much do they sell for,pretty similar comparison.It's the same question for most things.
Remember the £3 packets of fags and what they proved to contain.Unless you mix,do any of us really know what's in a juice.
Does price reflect a better quality of ingredients?Thats the question that really needs answering.If it doesn't, then premium juices are a rip off.If it does, it's back to the 3 quid packet of fags and their dodgy contents.

Don't forget that the cost of ciggies includes a hell of a whack of TAX, I just brought some back from Belgium for the Missus and they were about £1 cheaper per pack, and those had been made in the UK, and the Belgians had only recently upped their tax on them.
 

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There are actually price comparisons in the Stinkies Market Dave.Compare JPS to Benson and Hedges.£2+ a packet difference.Nothing to do with tax.
Bensons would tell you that's because they contain better tobacco.Jps would say they didn't.
So does that comparison transfer to the e-juice market.Do some have better contents.
I'm asking a question mate not defending the price some manufacturers charge for their product.

Ok I'll give you a 20% price difference. But 300% and more in the juice market that's rediculous.
 

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Will do,between Bob and i, we should have something to tell you.:)

WayHay, these just arrived:

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The Gold one from FT and is a SXK SX300 clone by HotCig
The Blue is the iStick 50w from Puremist

For e-pipeman
it is a little bit shorter than the MVP 2.0 but other dimensions are similar, because the display is on one side, if you are l/h then best to use finger to fire, if r/h then use thumb otherwise the display is in the palm of your hand.
 
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vince01

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There are actually price comparisons in the Stinkies Market Dave.Compare JPS to Benson and Hedges.£2+ a packet difference.Nothing to do with tax.
Bensons would tell you that's because they contain better tobacco.Jps would say they didn't.
So does that comparison transfer to the e-juice market.Do some have better contents.
I'm asking a question mate not defending the price some manufacturers charge for their product.

The tobacco companies own the plantations, they own the processing facilities and the own the manufacturing plants so they are in control of every process at every stage
Compare that to the e liquid vendors who buy in pharmaceutical grade dilutents, pharmaceutical grade nicotine and flavour concentrate, all of which are produced by others, then they mix them much as a DIYer would but on a larger scale. There is no comparison between the industrial process that produces tobacco products and the mixing process that produces e liquid
Any of the DIYers could tell you the cost of producing an acceptable e liquid and when you consider the savings made by buying in bulk and industrialising the process, some vendors must have at least a 200% mark up
 

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That would have the human rights liberals whining like a cow in quicksand. There is a branch of Special Forces ( JSOC ) whose sole purpose is to eliminate threats, the names and passport numbers of the returning monsters should be passed on to them so that a fitting welcome home could be arranged by way of a surprise

Love it, and maybe those HRLs could be got rid of as well - I see that another bunch of w*****s have decided that it is no longer appropriate to eat fish & chips in the Aquariums restaurant - where do they get them from - the idiots I mean.
 

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The tobacco companies own the plantations, they own the processing facilities and the own the manufacturing plants so they are in control of every process at every stage
Compare that to the e liquid vendors who buy in pharmaceutical grade dilutents, pharmaceutical grade nicotine and flavour concentrate, all of which are produced by others, then they mix them much as a DIYer would but on a larger scale. There is no comparison between the industrial process that produces tobacco products and the mixing process that produces e liquid
Any of the DIYers could tell you the cost of producing an acceptable e liquid and when you consider the savings made by buying in bulk and industrialising the process, some vendors must have at least a 200% mark up

Thanks Vince,got an answer.So yes,some manufactures are over charging for the same product.
Therefore Dave there are rip off merchants in the juice trade.:)

But some taste a lot better than others.
 
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Thanks Vince,got an answer.So yes,some manufactures are over charging for the same product.
Therefore Dave there are rip off merchants in the juice trade.:)

But some taste a lot better than others.

George there is a site called Liquid which sells juice at £1 a bottle.The juice is ok, but no where near as nice as say Red Astaire which is £5 a bottle
 

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Love it, and maybe those HRLs could be got rid of as well - I see that another bunch of w*****s have decided that it is no longer appropriate to eat fish & chips in the Aquariums restaurant - where do they get them from - the idiots I mean.

To qualify for human rights you first have to qualify to be a human ...
You cant commit atrocities the like of which we're hearing one day and the next go back to working in a factory and having a kick about with the kids, once you open Pandoras' box ...
 

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Just given the istick a go.
Used an Atlantis @ 30W.

For right hand finger firing it's perfect,fire button is in the perfect position.If you thumb fire you can't see the display.However thumb firing in the left hand you can.But more difficult to hold.In the right hand it fits the palm perfectly without having to support from underneath.
It's a very tidy little device,slightly taller than the 20w version and about half as wide again.
All in,first impressions,it's a very nice little mod.
 
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vince01

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Thanks Vince,got an answer.So yes,some manufactures are over charging for the same product.
Therefore Dave there are rip off merchants in the juice trade.:)

But some taste a lot better than others.


They certainly do George, and it's not always the more expensive juices that taste better
The question is do the juices that taste better have "better" ingredients or are they just more to my or your personal taste ?
 

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Just to quote you for second here Brynglas you answered your own question the other day re suppliers ripping people:)
"I was looking at one of the high end UK producers last night and their prices.
30ml of juice in a plastic bottle was £3 cheaper than the same in glass.
I think that's taking the "p" to charge 3 quid for a 25p bottle.

If you went up to 100 ml it was an extra £6."

Don't need to say anymore after a statement like that.:D
 

vince01

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Are you trying to get me at it Vince? :laugh:

That's the question i started off with ;-)

All I was doing George was stating my opinion as to why I believe some juice vendors were making a killing or as some may have it, perpetrating a rip off

You then introduced the unstable molecule of taste, which was never part of the original discussion :laugh:
 

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I'm buying a lot of juice from Get Vape at the moment.
Good to see some High VG ones ..shame a lot are out of stock though, but I've bookmarked it :)

Trish, just looked at Phil's review of the MVP 3, and think this may be just up your street:
I'm going to take your word for it Bob - his reviews are always so long winded and I haven't had a chance to look at it yet anyway. Is it heavier than the iStick 50?
I was using an MVP2 yesterday (that's where my Posset is happiest) and the weight gets tiresome after a while.

Yes, and all those that have already gone there should not be allowed back either.
Good! :)

Bring them back and let the lads at Paddington Green have a quiet word. Then send them on to the Quilliam foundation.
Even better! :)

They're the ones I love to watch, animals can be so funny at times
Yes, they can! :laugh:

H&S gone mad - that's why there are so many people around with no resistance to substances that is in the air
Seeing I survived from when I have without my immune system closing down, I reckon I won't worry! :)

Eggsactly, most of us read things the way we see them, and when someone says something different our minds cannot cope, the cause of some wars :laugh:
But my mind has never been under any illusion as to what the iStick is actually doing - sometimes, I looks at things exactly as they are a little too precisely for my own good :facepalm: ...as a result, with the iStick 20&30 it's a constant irritation that it tells 'lies' in it's own sweet way :laugh:

They have the same holidays, it's just that the bulk of the factory staff only live in Shenzen during the week whilst they are working, and go back home (which in China may be hundreds of miles away and be in areas where there is limited transport) when they have holidays, whereas staff at other places may be locals so only need to have a few days off and they can stagger those.
At the top of the pages FT have explained the slow down that happens from 31st Jan, and how things get back to normal eventually.

Don't believe all you hear, there is not enough water to sustain life, never mind being home to Dolphins :lol:
I meant you as a dolphin would be safe here as all the people that hunt them would be on Mars :D I'm pretty sure that if you came back as a dolphin, Mother Nature would dump you where the sea is most abundant and not in a puddle on Mars :unsure:

Yes - the reviews do say that - but for less than the price of a couple of pints I'll give it a go. Nothing ventured...:)
I agree - and if they'd been in stock, I'd have ordered one - apart from the fact that they say use is for 8W upwards. Under normal circumstances, 8W is a rarity for me. Possibly OK at a pinch on the iStick 20 & 30 though.

That would have the human rights liberals whining like a cow in quicksand. There is a branch of Special Forces ( JSOC ) whose sole purpose is to eliminate threats, the names and passport numbers of the returning monsters should be passed on to them so that a fitting welcome home could be arranged by way of a surprise
Accessed via a nice trap door at passport control!

Don't forget that the cost of ciggies includes a hell of a whack of TAX, I just brought some back from Belgium for the Missus and they were about £1 cheaper per pack, and those had been made in the UK, and the Belgians had only recently upped their tax on them.
There's a couple of EU brands of paint that I use ...Italian one for instance, a particular colour is £15 here, and $15 in the US ..so how does it get all that way for so much less?

WayHay, these just arrived:The Blue is the iStick 50w from Puremist
:thumb: my colour :)
if you are l/h then best to use finger to fire, if r/h then use thumb otherwise the display is in the palm of your hand.
I'm right handed, but tend to use them most when sitting here reading, typing or painting, so have become used to always having any of them in my left hand.

Love it, and maybe those HRLs could be got rid of as well - I see that another bunch of w*****s have decided that it is no longer appropriate to eat fish & chips in the Aquariums restaurant - where do they get them from - the idiots I mean.
Why ...do the fish know what they're eating, and it terrifies them?

Thanks Vince,got an answer.So yes,some manufactures are over charging for the same product.
Therefore Dave there are rip off merchants in the juice trade.:)
But some taste a lot better than others.
For me, there are few that have enough of the right flavour with enough VG for me, and if it hadn't been for CV being so helpful in the past 10 months, I may have had a hard time. Thankfully, more VG and better flavour are to be found here and there - it can still be costly and frustrating finding them, but very satisfying if I do.
 

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George there is a site called Liquid which sells juice at £1 a bottle.The juice is ok, but no where near as nice as say Red Astaire which is £5 a bottle

The Red Astaire may be £5 per bottle from where you buy it but If you could buy it for £2.50 would you ? Would the £5 bottle taste better than the £2.50 bottle all things being equal
 
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