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Who was the guy in Wales that dreamed up this ban?
Let everybody email him ask when he is going to ban alcohol, motorised vehicles, chocolate and McDonald's. They cause more harm than Ecigs ever will.
Let everybody email him ask when he is going to ban alcohol, motorised vehicles, chocolate and McDonald's. They cause more harm than Ecigs ever will.
How inconsiderate of them!
That's an aspect that really does make we wonder how their reasoning works.George looks like us Welsh vapours are gonna be treated the same as the smokers from 2017.Banished to smoking shelters and passive smoking
To ban something before they know if it is harmful - and all preliminary research/testing suggests it is not - is way over the top. If it were really dangerous, statistics would be showing that before now."But we don't know whether it does or not"
Ok i can understand the minors thing, but it looks like it starts here....
If they'd acted on banning the use of phones in cars while driving from the beginning, (just one instance of retro safety laws), we'd perhaps accept caution regarding anything potentially harmful/dangerous, but they didn't, and it's far from being the only such example of seeing an accident waiting to happen and doing nothing.
This over dramatization of e-cig use is totally unnecessary in the guise they present it. Surely there are far more important issues facing local and national government at the current time.
Yes, and I thought we lived in a more liberal thinking climate these days!
Just on consumable items, I'm pretty sure that certain foods and alcohol pose a far greater health problem to society in general.
They've been hugely concerned about tobacco related ailments in the past, and have been handed a solution on a plate ...it's been self-propagating too, without the government heavy-handing us and controlling how we go about it. ...or is that the point: they haven't had control of it (or the benefit of specific taxes) from the beginning?
That's unusual ..quite a neat idea!
Well said!
True Trish,pathetic situation it is.
But suggest to the very same people that a ban should be made on tobacco and they will shy away.A proven killer.
Yet again, they harp on about research that has been discredited rather than focus on the positive, proven study results.
Blinkered as usual, they only see that which suits their agenda.
Health minister Mark Drakeford.Assembly Member - Mark Drakeford AM | National Assembly for Wales
His past in no way qualifies him on health matters, but yet again, a minister for a specialised area that is extremely important to any country is placed in a position that he has no training in, nor hands on experience.
In my view, ministers for such things, be it health, education, industry, etc., should have qualifications in, and have worked within that field. Only then could they be considered to have credible judgement rather than rely on a band of whisperers and manipulators with often hidden agendas of their own.
Welsh Conservatives described the ban as a "step backwards" for quitters.E-cigarettes face curb in public places in Wales - BBC News
Try getting even local government/council to act on something that has been proven as a danger. It never happens until there's an accident that causes life changing consequences to someone, yet here they are condemning something that greatly appears to preserve life in huge numbers.
On a lighter note I got a bootle of PMP and seven bottles of concentrate
My local b&m has this V G 1 Litre - Vape With Ease now that's cheap
My local b&m has this V G 1 Litre - Vape With Ease now that's cheap
Ive just sent my message to Mr Drakeford. Now let's see if he replies.
This is what I sent....
Just seen your banning Ecigs without a legal reason. No testing has been done at all.
So I want to know when you are going to ban chocolate, gum and alchohol and all motorised vehicles? It has been scientifically proved that they do cause damage to your health and the environment.
Please reply.
This is what I sent....
Just seen your banning Ecigs without a legal reason. No testing has been done at all.
So I want to know when you are going to ban chocolate, gum and alchohol and all motorised vehicles? It has been scientifically proved that they do cause damage to your health and the environment.
Please reply.
That's funny!He looks like he's got smokers teeth to me
...and far less insulting than some thoughts that went through my mind! If you're wanting to try it, I found the PMP good the day it arrived ..perhaps a little mango forward, but it blended in over the coming week anyway, and was still very good
Brilliant! I do think they take lessons in 'waffle' though, even if they don't ever fool any of us
I'm sort of thinking my way around the Mint Choc Vapetto.
I noticed a short time back that the use by on the ready to use is now 2 years, so even better.
I have 200ml of the strength I use, and 80ml of 12mg, so it needs cutting by half. (I still use 6mg in MCV)
I'll start making some 3mg at a later date, but need to make some zero for the 12mg.
Recommended use for concentrate is 25-35%, so to make 100ml finished liquid, 3x10ml bottles in 70ml of base would give me around a 33% flavouring mix ?
I noticed a short time back that the use by on the ready to use is now 2 years, so even better.
I have 200ml of the strength I use, and 80ml of 12mg, so it needs cutting by half. (I still use 6mg in MCV)
I'll start making some 3mg at a later date, but need to make some zero for the 12mg.
Recommended use for concentrate is 25-35%, so to make 100ml finished liquid, 3x10ml bottles in 70ml of base would give me around a 33% flavouring mix ?
wouldn't 3and a half 10ml bottles in 70 ml be 50%,i'll have to get my head around this mixing.
Something i think i am going to have to start whether i like it of not
Something i think i am going to have to start whether i like it of not
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Thanks George - I'm not dim with most things, but all this is new to me - too may things to consider!
(Not that bright with electronic stuff either
)I have some excellent Velvet Cloud ready to use base in 3 and 6mg still, but will need zero for this, so I'm guessing around 7% distilled water needs adding to the Chefs VG base, or is the 33% flavouring enough PG to thin it?
I just ordered some more concentrate ..they only had one bottle left! Thankfully, I have three already. I asked when there'll me more available (I hope there will be).
Oh dear ...now you have my head muddledwouldn't 3and a half 10ml bottles in 70 ml be 50%,i'll have to get my head around this mixing.
Something i think i am going to have to start whether i like it of not
....should I perhaps be thinking of adding the 3x10ml bottles to 100ml of base to get the 33.3% result?No - that's surely 30%
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my alarm is set for 08:30 but it wasn't either of the normal two I get for SDs, chap normally gets here 08:45 although he has arrived about 08:10 before now, we have a laugh, he keeps threatening to come really early , the lass gets here a bit later, todays guy sometimes does the normal pm deliveries, in fact he came back later with the normal delivery.- Status
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