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[Bobw1951]

Thanks Bob - things starting to get clearer!
I don't worry much about reducing the nicotine with the flavouring ..what I don't think hard about, I don't notice!

So if I want 6mg, I'd use 8ml nicotine base, and 62ml Zero VG ?
and if I want the finished mix to have 35% flavouring, I'd add 35ml instead of 30 (I don't mind about the extra few ml to keep it simple)

I can try using the calculator though too.

8ml nic, 57ml VG, 35ml flavour (just reduce the VG by the extra flavour)

 

[Pictor]

Let me know is this worked I entered all the info you need in the calculator eJuice Recipe Calculator
That's to make 6ml nic

It's showing a mix for 18mg:

Nicotine Base mg/ml 36mg
Target Nicotine Level mg/ml 18mg
Amount to Create ml 100ml
Water Added (optional) % zero
Flavor Percent % 35%

Recipe
ingredient ml % of total
PG or VG with nicotine 50 ml 50.0%
PG or VG (no nicotine) 15 ml 15.0%
Water 0 ml 0.0%
Flavoring(s) 35 ml 35.0%

But, I think I can use that calculator too ...if I get stuck though, I'll ask - you're all being really helpful

Just watched the Health minister interviewed on the Welsh news.
The immovable object.That guy is not for changing his mind.He is taking his advice from the WHO,and we know their argument has already been discredited.
Despite advice being offered by a number of knowledgable parties eg British heart foundation,Tenovus etc.
A ban would not come into force for 2 years.

I saw it on the BBC news channel.
When there's something in it for them, professional research and opinion obviously counts for nothing ..unlike when they wanted us to stop smoking tobacco for our health's sake ...then, they knew the results would be small, but with this, it's growing by the day, so they grasp at discredited reports in the hope people don't know that.
Even if everyone knows about the faulty research they're basing the argument on, what use is protesting and pointing out the fact anyway.

I feel embarrassed for the way our eminent scientists and physicians are being ignored by otherwise ignorant, non-professional people after they put such effort into the research and testing with e-cigs.

8ml nic, 57ml VG, 35ml flavour (just reduce the VG by the extra flavour)

Thanks Bob- I'll copy that into the info I've been saving!

 

[terry w]

Well i never thought i would sit here typing this, but...I am actually finding this KGD cotton much better than Rayon for wicking. I dry burned one of my KF4`s earlier, and rewicked with the ... cotton, to what i have gradually started moving over to. Think i have got 4 or 5 of my tanks done now, and i reckon it will probably be all i use in future.

 

[dw117]

Not directly quoting anyone's messages but looking over what you've been saying for mixing remember that adding 30ml of flavour to 100ml of Base isn't 30% it's actually only 23% because the total is now 130ml.

Those online e juice calculators are great so use them. I did for a while until I got used to it now I just have my own simple ish excel sheet for mixing and I do a lot in my head.

Also remember that anything billed as 10ml concentrate from chefs vapour might be more than 10ml as they are very kind and sometimes just fill the bottle so it's closer to 12ml. Also if emptying your entire concentrate bottle into your mix you won't have any leftover if it's not strong enough. You'd have to buy more then haha

 

[e-pipeman]

You wonder which group has got to WHO. Given that big tobacco is now targeting all its resources at what used to be called "the third world" then you start to wonder why WHO aren't embracing an alternative to tobacco addiction for the people who can least afford tobacco in every sense.

 

[Brynglas]

I saw it on the BBC news channel.
When there's something in it for them, professional research and opinion obviously counts for nothing ..unlike when they wanted us to stop smoking tobacco for our health's sake ...then, they knew the results would be small, but with this, it's growing by the day, so they grasp at discredited reports in the hope people don't know that.
Even if everyone knows about the faulty research they're basing the argument on, what use is protesting and pointing out the fact anyway.

I feel embarrassed for the way our eminent scientists and physicians are being ignored by otherwise ignorant, non-professional people after they put such effort into the research and testing with e-cigs.

Spent a while trolling Trish.And it seems this could finish the guys career.He doesn't seem very highly thought of.

 

[Bobw1951]

Not directly quoting anyone's messages but looking over what you've been saying for mixing remember that adding 30ml of flavour to 100ml of Base isn't 30% it's actually only 23% because the total is now 130ml.

Those online e juice calculators are great so use them. I did for a while until I got used to it now I just have my own simple ish excel sheet for mixing and I do a lot in my head.

Also remember that anything billed as 10ml concentrate from chefs vapour might be more than 10ml as they are very kind and sometimes just fill the bottle so it's closer to 12ml. Also if emptying your entire concentrate bottle into your mix you won't have any leftover if it's not strong enough. You'd have to buy more then haha

Exactly what I was quoting - I always use a calculator and I always use the full strength of the nic (rather than mixing a diluted base), then enter the strength I want and the amount I want, using 100ml as the end product it is quite easy to work out the amount of flavour required as the percentage is just converted to ml, for the nic the easiest way to work it out is strength required/actual strength*100 so for a 3mg mix using 72mg nic the answer is 3/72*100=4.16 - most calculators will show this as 4ml, so using those figures for 25% (25ml) flavour, 4ml nic you then need 100-25-4=71ml of dilutant to create 100ml

 

[dw117]

Exactly what I was quoting - I always use a calculator and I always use the full strength of the nic (rather than mixing a diluted base), then enter the strength I want and the amount I want, using 100ml as the end product it is quite easy to work out the amount of flavour required as the percentage is just converted to ml, for the nic the easiest way to work it out is strength required/actual strength*100 so for a 3mg mix using 72mg nic the answer is 3/72*100=4.16 - most calculators will show this as 4ml, so using those figures for 25% (25ml) flavour, 4ml nic you then need 100-25-4=71ml of dilutant to create 100ml

Yes sorry bob I skim read it all a bit and probably missed people pointing things out.

I've started using that 72mg nic but as I vape 1mg or 2mg now I've used it to make a 10mg solution to work with rather than using the 72mg all the time.

 

[Bobw1951]

Yes sorry bob I skim read it all a bit and probably missed people pointing things out.

I've started using that 72mg nic but as I vape 1mg or 2mg now I've used it to make a 10mg solution to work with rather than using the 72mg all the time.

Yes, that's fine as long as you are making something that is lower than the base you have created, one word of caution though, once you add the dilutant the nicotine will start to degrade, so depending on how much fully made up juice you make at a time, I would make up about 1/4 of the 10mg for 2mg (or 1/8 for the 1mg), that allows for degradation and if it's too strong you can always top up with a little Zero nic PG, VG or even flavour.

Some think that they can make up xx mg base and then just add the flavour, but don't take into account degradation or that they are diluting it further depending on the percentage of flavour. I did some tests on the calculator and the minimum base to get 3mg with 30% flavour is 4.32mg of freshly made base but with 25% flavour it is only 4.03mg

 

[dw117]

Almost forgot, vape mail from FT, derringer clone, some drip tips and these (not the rDNA 40, just the skin and the lemo 2):

 

[dw117]

Yes, that's fine as long as you are making something that is lower than the base you have created, one word of caution though, once you add the dilutant the nicotine will start to degrade, so depending on how much fully made up juice you make at a time, I would make up about 1/4 of the 10mg for 2mg (or 1/8 for the 1mg), that allows for degradation and if it's too strong you can always top up with a little Zero nic PG, VG or even flavour.

Some think that they can make up xx mg base and then just add the flavour, but don't take into account degradation or that they are diluting it further depending on the percentage of flavour. I did some tests on the calculator and the minimum base to get 3mg with 30% flavour is 4.32mg of freshly made base but with 25% flavour it is only 4.03mg

Yeah I'm using 10mg as it makes the maths a bit easier as for 1mg I'd need 10% of the nic solution in my mix total or 20% for 2mg etc.

I've not heard of people mentioning any significant degradation of nicotine though and I don't follow what you mean by making up 1/4 of it etc.

I know nic does degrade over time and it's worse when exposed to heat or UV, but just by cutting it down I wouldn't expect it to quicken. If it does a bit then that's fine I'm looking to drop the nic completely eventually.

Just tried the lemo 2 out, using the coil it comes with installed (0.6ohms my dna 40 says) and did my own wick. Seems gooood although I'm a bit concerned about leaking as I'm getting bubbles a lot compared to other tanks. Not entirely convinced by the drip tip it comes with either. I like them wide bore but not unnecessarily fat if you follow me.

 

[dw117]

Ah sorry bob I just got what you meant about the 1/4 and 1/8!

 

[Pictor]

Well i never thought i would sit here typing this, but...I am actually finding this KGD cotton much better than Rayon for wicking. I dry burned one of my KF4`s earlier, and rewicked with the ... cotton, to what i have gradually started moving over to. Think i have got 4 or 5 of my tanks done now, and i reckon it will probably be all i use in future.

Sounds promising for those new coils that Kanger have just produced for the more basic tanks.

Not directly quoting anyone's messages but looking over what you've been saying for mixing remember that adding 30ml of flavour to 100ml of Base isn't 30% it's actually only 23% because the total is now 130ml.

Those online e juice calculators are great so use them. I did for a while until I got used to it now I just have my own simple ish excel sheet for mixing and I do a lot in my head.

Also remember that anything billed as 10ml concentrate from chefs vapour might be more than 10ml as they are very kind and sometimes just fill the bottle so it's closer to 12ml. Also if emptying your entire concentrate bottle into your mix you won't have any leftover if it's not strong enough. You'd have to buy more then haha

Yes, Chefs bottles aren't likely to be an accurate 10ml - I'll measure it into a syringe I will use the calculator too.
Could be I'll get the 35% without breaking into a fourth bottle! ...assuming they get any more of the MCV!

You wonder which group has got to WHO. Given that big tobacco is now targeting all its resources at what used to be called "the third world" then you start to wonder why WHO aren't embracing an alternative to tobacco addiction for the people who can least afford tobacco in every sense.

There's so much corruption and manipulation in all manner of areas worldwide, it's getting harder to know who is to be trusted, and just who is spreading the damage.

Spent a while trolling Trish.And it seems this could finish the guys career.He doesn't seem very highly thought of.

If it does, then so be it - can't say I'd feel any sympathy either. But, he may already have opened the flood gates for other areas of the country to quickly follow suit. Ignorant meddler!

Just what needs to be said, and by whom before they'll stop trying to wreck something that has stopped so very many people from smoking?
We all may find a way to carry on, but it will not encourage new people to have faith in it working if it's controlled too heavily.

Exactly what I was quoting - I always use a calculator and I always use the full strength of the nic (rather than mixing a diluted base), then enter the strength I want and the amount I want, using 100ml as the end product it is quite easy to work out the amount of flavour required as the percentage is just converted to ml, for the nic the easiest way to work it out is strength required/actual strength*100 so for a 3mg mix using 72mg nic the answer is 3/72*100=4.16 - most calculators will show this as 4ml, so using those figures for 25% (25ml) flavour, 4ml nic you then need 100-25-4=71ml of dilutant to create 100ml

I'm never going to be too worried about absolute accuracy, but once I start using the nicotine, I will need to be careful ...can't say I'll be happy to start diluting it for all I'm used to handling liquid lead napthanate & sulfate ..nicotine seems a bit more daunting

Yes sorry bob I skim read it all a bit and probably missed people pointing things out.

I've started using that 72mg nic but as I vape 1mg or 2mg now I've used it to make a 10mg solution to work with rather than using the 72mg all the time.

I'm slowly lowering my nicotine strength, and with anything I mix, I'm still using the ready to use 3 or 6mg unflavoured VG.
My nicotine is for the freezer, and I'll probably continue using the ready to use until I need to use the nicotine, so for the time being it's fairly simple quantities I'll need to know.
Those calculators will let me find those quantities fairly easily I think.

 

[Pictor]

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[terry w]

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Mmmm, Bandcamp, Must order some to try.

 

[Pictor]

Mmmm, Bandcamp, Must order some to try.

I do think you'll like it!
I may get a bottle for all it's 50/50 because I need to dilute apple anyway ...20-25% of custard or vanilla should be very nice!

Anyone who likes chocolate should try the Got Cookie - it's a very nice not overly sweet, rich one, but apparently it's disappearing at some point.

I'm using the Passion Cake at the moment - the fruit is very accurate: slightly tart yet sweet fruit with a slight spiciness to it (not cinnamon), paired with cheesecake. Fruit forward fresh, blends with the cheesecake more as it steeps.

 

[Bobw1951]

and I don't follow what you mean by making up 1/4 of it etc.

say you want to make 10 x 100ml of flavoured juice in a months time, then for 2mg you make up 1/4 of that amount as base so 250ml of base @ 10mg, so a month later you go to make up your flavours, the nic may have weakened a touch, so you do your figures for the 10mg down to 2 mg and use up 200ml of the base, but then you might find when you try it , that it is not strong enough, so you top each one up by 5ml of the nic, or if it is too strong you can then add more zero PG,VG or flavour to weaken it, any base left can be added to next time you want to make up another batch.

Forget all that, I see you realised what I meant

 

[Pictor]

Trish i found this a while back and kept the link,don't know if it's anygood to you.(you have to be logged in,to use)

e-Liquid Calculator:: New recipe

Just taking another look at that George ...it doesn't mention flavouring on that page or am I missing something?

 

[Bobw1951]

Won't be on here most of tomorrow - hopefully Op day

 

[Pictor]

Won't be on here most of tomorrow - hopefully Op day

Brilliant! Hope it all goes smoothly with no delays Bob! Toes crossed for you!