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Bobw1951

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I downloaded the AGs opinions earlier today, and have just read through it, the last paragraph is totally legalese and I for one cannot understand a single word of it, but it looks like the AG is saying there is no problem with the TPD.

NOTE: The Advocate General’s Opinion is not binding on the Court of Justice. It is the role of the Advocates
General to propose to the Court, in complete independence, a legal solution to the cases for which they are
responsible. The Judges of the Court are now beginning their deliberations in this case. Judgment will be
given at a later date.

I'm also following the thread on AAEC on how it might affect vape Fest, meets & forums and advertising, and looking at that it appears that only comes into effect if it involves more than 1 EU country (cross border agreements), so we can still have a vape Fest in the UK but are not allowed to advertise it to the rest of the EU etc.
 

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I would like to wish you all a Merry Xmas and a cloudy new year :)
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That is why i ignore the "D" word :laugh: If i could drink it i would.
Ha-ha! I'm sure there's a 'clone' recipe around! I may look for it at some point - at the least it would make a good VG to dilute this one with! :)
I meant to try the CL tonight, but I've been watching TV since 7.30 and I never even think about it unless I'm in here!

They're not much use to you then - can you send them back for the proper ones.
Not sure Bob - I'll send them an email to ask.

This does annoy me - these people cannot possibly make a proper informed statement/decision on such things if they haven't read the facts, and she obviously has not:

Advocate General Kokott emphasises in that regard that e-cigarettes are a novel and — for large parts of the population at least — still relatively little known product for which there is a rapidly developing market. In addition, it is not manifestly wrong or unreasonable to accept, in adopting internal market harmonisation measures, that e-cigarettes possibly cause risks to human health and that that product could — above all in the case of adolescents and young adults — develop into a gateway to nicotine addiction and, ultimately, traditional tobacco consumption. Also in the case of e-cigarettes, the EU legislature was entitled to take the view, having regard in particular to the fundamental differences between the Member States’ rules and the cross-border dimension of the problem, that rules at Union level are required.


If anyone wants to read the full details of the AGs Opinios on e-cigs, it is here, but it is very long
I suppose I should try, but it's getting late :)

I would like to wish you all a Merry Xmas and a cloudy new year :)
Happy Christmas to you and yours Marcus, and a wonderful new year too! :thumb :
 
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I have now Trish, see what's said. I couldn't find it to begin with.
Hope there's some definitive answers! :)
I recall reading this post a while back:
Bottle help with freezing nic juice

I got some 50ml amber glass bottles for storing mine in the freezer (amber because it'll be in light more once out of the freezer/in use), and knowing I don't get too worried about the strength of nicotine in what I use, aren't bothered if there happens to be a little degradation in strength over considerable time. Being down to .0 and .3mg now makes it even less of an issue for me.

I've got a couple of AeroTank MOW tanks and they are really good quality.
Yes, I find them hassle free - got the mega ones too from MyEpack. Kanger Emow Mega Clearomiser
 
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Hope there's some definitive answers! :)
I recall reading this post a while back:
Bottle help with freezing nic juice

I got some 50ml amber glass bottles for storing mine in the freezer (amber because it'll be in light more once out of the freezer/in use), and knowing I don't get too worried about the strength of nicotine in what I use, aren't bothered if there happens to be a little degradation in strength over considerable time. Being down to .0 and .3mg now makes it even less of an issue for me.

That's another Question.
Do i decant into smaller bottles,or will it re-freeze and how long is it good for once you thaw it and leave it in the fridge.
 

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That's another Question.
Do i decant into smaller bottles,or will it re-freeze and how long is it good for once you thaw it and leave it in the fridge.
I got mine in 100ml bottles, and the 50ml amber glass bottles are what I use to freeze it. I'd use one 50ml bottle at a time, and keep it in a cool, dark place if possible - how long? not sure, but would use it as if it was a fresh bottle.
 
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Question for the mixers..
I read last night that PG based Nic,freezes better and stores longer than VG. Is this right? And are there any disadvantages.
Hope there's some definitive answers! :)
I recall reading this post a while back:
Bottle help with freezing nic juice


I got some 50ml amber glass bottles for storing mine in the freezer (amber because it'll be in light more once out of the freezer/in use), and knowing I don't get too worried about the strength of nicotine in what I use, aren't bothered if there happens to be a little degradation in strength over considerable time. Being down to .0 and .3mg now makes it even less of an issue for me.

Yes, I find them hassle free - got the mega ones too from MyEpack. Kanger Emow Mega Clearomiser


That's another Question.
Do i decant into smaller bottles,or will it re-freeze and how long is it good for once you thaw it and leave it in the fridge.


So a few things on nicotine based on my experience with nude nicotine. First off. It may be worth fm checking with nude if they ship internationally. It's so much better than any other nicotine I've had in any other juice I've tried. Any juice I have with nude is always better. Zero pepper feeling in the mouth and super smooth.

That said they just started doing the sealed bottles a la the medical industry. They supply a syringe and he bottle never gets exposed to air. They do sizes up to 500 ml.

I have the 100 mg/ ml 100% vg sitting in my freezer and it doesn't freeze. It just gets cold. As far as I can tell it won't freeze at all. That said if you get 100-200 ml bottles you'll probably use it fast enough to keep it under a sink or other fool dark place. If you're ordering s lot then freezing may be desirable but the bottles they offer now being devoid of air really don't need to be in the freezer unless you're going to be waiting s long long long time to use it.

So maybe it's worth trying to get nude over there. I'd say it's probably a bit more expensive than other nicotine. They do all kinds of bases. From 3 mg/ml that you wouldn't have to calculate for your needs or massively concentrated I think higher than 100ml. They also have all kinds of percentages from 100vg to 100pg For my needs I buy vg and pg then use very little of the nicotine. It winds up way more cost effective. The downside is that high concentrate is pretty toxic so you need to wear gloves if you don't typically when mixing and absolutely make sure animals and small people don't get near it.

To make a chefs concentrate for example would be (this is rough the calculator would get the exact) you can see. Five ml of mic base used. To make 150 ml of juice. Even the 100ml bottle or whatever will last quite a while.

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I think I paid $15- $20 for the 120 ml of 100mg. You can see how inexpensive it is when you use the high concentrate stuff and then regular pg/vg instead of buying the 6% or 3% bases and mixing straight. It also allows you to store a much longer supply of nicotine in the freezer without taking much room. With the exchange rate you should make it like a bandit. I don't believe there are import issues wih nicotine yet but there may be soon. The new bottles devoid of air shipping with the syringe are definitely the way for long term storage.

Anyway. For what it's worth mine isn't freezing / thawing. Just gets very cold. With 100% vg. Maybe that's why they say it's not as good. But I think it's more likely the air tight bottle offered as stated prevents water which prevents freezing. for all intents and purposes if you get he air tight very high concentrate and use small quantities per mix. I personally think it's the way to go on every front. Storage size and nicotine potency decay should be absolutely irrelevant. I also love that I can pull the bottle out. Shake vigorously. Turn upside down and stick a syringe through it withdraw a few ml and pop it back in. Not having to open a bottle and not having to deal with a potential spill of two of chemical or air getting in. - it's worth the premium in my book when you consider how little is needed. We're I making huge batches for resale clearly I wouldn't go this route but for a single person or two I don't think there are any better options going for convenience and top quality nicotine. If they won't ship it to you I will do a relay shipment if you want.

Sorry if this is information you already knew.


Also the emow mega. What are you doing with that!?! I have the emow and mega and I just ordered some coils 1.5 from fasttech. They're so inexpensive and honestly as a zero hassle backup device for me they work well. Eventually I'll give them away. Five pack of Coils was so
Little I couldn't pass

Bummer the coupons are over. What a shame. Half a liter of the 100mg/ml armor v2 was down to $40 it's typically $62. Still can see how long that would last one person. Years. Aside from the great bottling the actual product is the best going imo. Wih the bottle hey use I doubt highly it matters if you use vg or pg or a combination. Also the bottles are thick walked chemistry amber bottle types. With the special lid for sealing devoid of air


Nude Armor v2.0 Nicotine Base - EXTENDED SHELF LIFE - Nude Nicotine
 
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Merry Christmas to you all - have a great day! :)


So a few things on nicotine based on my experience with nude nicotine. First off. It may be worth fm checking with nude if they ship internationally. It's so much better than any other nicotine I've had in any other juice I've tried. Any juice I have with nude is always better. Zero pepper feeling in the mouth and super smooth.
I've heard that this is an excellent brand: 'emotionalstabilitysloth' Unflavoured Nic Great flavor (Scydivasloth on Youtube)

I think I paid $15- $20 for the 120 ml of 100mg. You can see how inexpensive it is when you use the high concentrate stuff and then regular pg/vg instead of buying the 6% or 3% bases and mixing straight. It also allows you to store a much longer supply of nicotine in the freezer without taking much room. With the exchange rate you should make it like a bandit. I don't believe there are import issues wih nicotine yet but there may be soon. The new bottles devoid of air shipping with the syringe are definitely the way for long term storage.
Worth taking a look! :)

Also the emow mega. What are you doing with that!?! I have the emow and mega and I just ordered some coils 1.5 from fasttech. They're so inexpensive and honestly as a zero hassle backup device for me they work well. Eventually I'll give them away. Five pack of Coils was so Little I couldn't pass
I've used the eMOW Mega and also the standard size eMOW ever since they appeared - vast improvement on the ones that were around before that. I prefer the original V2 coils rather than the VOCC (for some reason they don't seem as good or long lasting).
I find these tanks good for quite a lot of liquids - I don't use high wattage, so they work fine for me.

I also have some of the old Evod single coil ones (they're very good with the SOCC coils). I find those very good for anything that gunks coils up fast.

I do like the Subtanks and the Silo, and also have a few eLeaf GSAir-M's too.
 
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