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e-pipeman

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Some people will not get the fact that they LOST the EU referendum. They are in denial (let's hope dey get eaten by de crocodile). Rather than acknowledge that they lost they start insulting people. They say that Leavers are racists. I am not a racist and really resent being called one just because I'm not an Islingtonite and don't eat falafel (in fact leg of lamb, roast taters and trimmings tonight.).
I'd ever thought that the British were good sports when it came to losing ....I should have known better based on some sports fans & students behaviour at times!
I find it very unsettling to hear them threaten to try overturning the result. Bad enough that the devil in skirts is plotting her strategy without those here trying to do the same.
Ye gods, it's like a medieval tale rather than 21st century reality.

How they could label us racist because we voted for a country free of EU shackles is beyond my comprehension. They're so dim, that they think it's been purely about immigrants!
Falafel? :p

They also say that we're stupid. I have two degrees (one postgrad) - how many more do they want me to get? I wish that they would realise that there is more to politics than clicking on an on-line form or jumping about at a protest rally. They say the old are standing in their way - I say that it is their pathetic immaturity.
How do these people become so narrow minded and insular.
Older people are more intelligent in many ways - not least for their sheer experience and determination through far worse times than many of those have ever seen.
They also tried to say that 'out' voters are from poorer areas - again, totally wrong. I haven't talked to very many friends and family about it, but those that I did who were voting 'out' come from all walks of life - some very rich, some rather poorly off. Some didn't go to uni., some did, and two have PhD's - one thing that they had in common was that not one was dim witted in any way.

I do wonder if one of their main reasons for wanting to stay is he fact that they like everything decided and planned out for them.
 

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I can understand it up to about here, most local pharmacies these days keep patient records on the computer and it is easier for them to look you up on the system, to see if you take anything that could react. My regular one does that, but he knows me anyway.

Just saw that Bob Geldorf being interviewed on the News, he didn't take the hint from the fishermen in the Thames, and still thinks he can overturn the democratic vote of the people to leave the EU.
In the u.s.a you need a script for anything with codeine. Where are you from?

San Antonio,Texas
 

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In the u.s.a you need a script for anything with codeine. Where are you from?

San Antonio,Texas
<------ As per my details here under the avatar : London UK
 

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Too much to expect a peaceful Sunday in respect to politics?
Now Blair pokes his nose in:

Blair: Will Of The People Is Entitled To Change
'Britain must keep its "options open" following the vote to leave the EU as "the will of the people" can change.'

...and we wonder why the naysayers keep making a fuss!
 

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Debate re TPD, Lords tomorrow evening:
Tomorrow at 7pm - The Lords Vape Debate

Timing could have been better, but can't be helped - they have far more to think about right now I suppose.

I just made up 100 ml each of Lews Brew & Cream, QOP`S, And Lemon Drizzle Cake :) It'll be interesting to see how the latter one turn`s out, as it`s got some rave reviews !
Nice! Great if it turns out as hoped! Now the wait! :laugh:
 

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Debate re TPD, Lords tomorrow evening:
Tomorrow at 7pm - The Lords Vape Debate

Timing could have been better, but can't be helped - they have far more to think about right now I suppose.
Unfortunately, I think it is only the advertising that they are looking at improving, nothing about the silly bottle size, max nic % or tank sizes
 

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Nice! Great if it turns out as hoped! Now the wait! :laugh:

Yeah, i hope it`s as good as the reviews it got Trish. Last time i made up some QOP`s, i did it at 30%, and it`s better than the ready to use from Chefs :laugh: Needless to say, i`ve made this 100 ml the same :)
 

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Unfortunately, I think it is only the advertising that they are looking at improving, nothing about the silly bottle size, max nic % or tank sizes
Ah! Don't think I'll bother watching any of it then ;)

Yeah, i hope it`s as good as the reviews it got Trish. Last time i made up some QOP`s, i did it at 30%, and it`s better than the ready to use from Chefs :laugh: Needless to say, i`ve made this 100 ml the same :)
I'll remember the 30% for QOP when I do make some for myself! Got plenty of ready made for now.
 

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Gove could be tough and courteous enough, May and Leadsom are both safe pairs of hands. Liam Fox? Where's Werritiy ?
Not sure if it's the way the media presents things, or actual facts to consider - whilst I know some things can't happen yet, many people (from both out and remain)are wishing there was some movement on Article50 in the offing.
I read this on the FT site (An article about Mishcon de Reya stirring up more red tape) - and see this:

Theresa May, favourite in the leadership debate, told ITV’s Peston on Sunday that she would only activate Article50 the formal notification of Britain’s intention to leave, once the government’s negotiating stance was clear. That would mean the legal trigger would not occur this calendar year, a stance supported by the justice secretary Michael Gove. He said all EU citizens lawfully resident in the UK must retain their right of residence.

In contrast, two other candidates in the Conservative leadership election, Andrea Leadsom and Liam Fox, have said they would begin formal negotiations in September or shortly after. EU leaders have also said negotiations should begin once a new prime minister is in place.

I don't doubt that if the media stopped fuelling unrest, and all people accepted the referendum result, things wouldn't perhaps seem too urgent, but at the same time, things need to be seen to be underway and under control.
If those two candidates would definitely stand by those statements, then I'd be hoping one of them are successful.
Pity they all weren't bound by an already decided date (soon) for activating Article 50, then I for one would be looking at their overall suitability rather than who will get things moving soonest! :facepalm:.
 
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Should we rush towards article 50? The rules suggest that we get to say when we kick that off. Perhaps we should use our muscle on that and wait until we are ready. We can talk to the whole world in the meanwhile and draw up bilateral arrangements - for when the time comes.
 

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Gove is the brightest lamp on the tree. Leadsom is great - as is May. This is very complicated.
Things are in a sort of see-saw mode - hard to consider which would be best.
Some of them say it'll be next year (perhaps around 18 months before Article 50 is implemented), while two say they'll do it sooner, but without rushing.
Is it important to have an 'out' voter for PM? Hard to say - it's hard to get past underhand tactic possibilities after the scare mongering and bending of truth pre referendum vote.

Remarkable that you predicted the rise of Andrea Leadsom - most people hadn't even heard of her! :)

Should we rush towards article 50? The rules suggest that we get to say when we kick that off. Perhaps we should use our muscle on that and wait until we are ready. We can talk to the whole world in the meanwhile and draw up bilateral arrangements - for when the time comes.
I just heard Liam Fox stating that he'd be aiming for an exit on Jan 1 2019. If the others had stated their goals in this process, it would be more reassuring.

We need more clarity, and some levelling to quieten the unrest that keeps popping up (in all shapes and forms! - I think of Blair today here!).
The remain voters are making too much noise and threatening too much disruption, with the media seeming to add fuel to it all, and if a more positive plan had been in place regarding what to expect, they may be better resigned to accepting the referendum result. Perhaps the continued unrest from them is because there's no basic plan in place for people to accept, and thus look to the way forward.

If we had that level of clarity and reassurance, the fact it's likely to take longer than people expected, would not feel so unsettling.
 
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