Thank you Volcalek...
I'm kind of a stickler when it comes to Statistics. I guess it is from my education and what I do for a living.
Fatal Dose of Nicotine?
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Thank you Volcalek...
I'm kind of a stickler when it comes to Statistics. I guess it is from my education and what I do for a living.
Lets see....intended to be ingested - attractively packaged - no childproof cap -
Not sold in single sip packaging.
Not sold in single sip packaging.
On the poisoning issue it is important not to fall for the myth that e-cigarettes contain more nicotine than traditional cigarettes...they actually contain almost the exact same amount of nicotine. 1g of commercial cigarette tobacco actually contains an average of 16.3mg of nicotine, but the majority of the nicotine is (partially) destroyed by combustion or lost to sidestream smoke. Regardless of the nicotine content of the cigarette, smokers generally absorb about 1mg of nicotine per cigarette, but there's no reason to believe that accidentally swallowing a 1ml cartridge of e-liquid would be any more deadly than swallowing a cigarette....and cigarettes are not kept in childproof packages at all. If poisoning were a serious concern, shouldn't we be addressing the *ahem* leading causes of poisonings rather than quibbling with the finer points of novel alternatives to smoking???
ETA: Don't get me wrong, I think it is a Very Good Thing that dissolvable tobacco and e-liquid manufacturers have chosen to use child-resistant packaging. I just find it outrageous that the prohibitionists would act as if child-resistant packaging is not enough while the leading causes of nicotine overdoses are sold in flip-top cardboard boxes. (and the ones BP makes are legal to sell to children)
ETA: Don't get me wrong, I think it is a Very Good Thing that dissolvable tobacco and e-liquid manufacturers have chosen to use child-resistant packaging. I just find it outrageous that the prohibitionists would act as if child-resistant packaging is not enough while the leading causes of nicotine overdoses are sold in flip-top cardboard boxes. (and the ones BP makes are legal to sell to children)
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Like Steak Knives, draino,prescription medication and 3rd story windows parents need to keep them from being accessible and educate regarding risk. Keep them out of reach of young children and wisely educate the older ones on what is dangerous to them. My father kept guns at home and told me time and time again he would beat my brains out (figuratively) if I were to ever touch one, and I never did. I've explained to my daughter that if she ever see's a bottle of juice sitting within reach that she is to get me immediately and I will put it way because it is medicine that can hurt her. It hasn't come up yet because I'm very careful to keep them away from her, but I will continue to talk to her about it. The state and Fed's can nanny as much as they want but it comes down to careful parenting and not regulation. I'd rather not have to get a license to use a sharp knife.
I was looking at this thread and wondering what amount of e-juice digested by a child of 5 years old or less would be dangerous or lethal. Maybe I missed it but could a child be seriously harmed if say, she/he drank a 10 ml bottle of 24mg strength e-juice?
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Let see.
The average weight for 5 year old boy is 45 lbs or about 20 kg
The lethal nicotine dose for kids (ld50) is 10mg per 1 kg of their body weight.
So 5 year old will be seriously harmed if he/she drink 10 X 20 = 200 mg in one set.
Just to clarify, as I'm new to vaping.... So if I were to drink an entire bottle of 24mg strength nicotine juice (blechh!), it still wouldn't be enough to kill me, correct?
So why all the concerns online about spilling it on your skin? Ignorance? Or is out purposeful misinformation from the anti smoking zealots?
So why all the concerns online about spilling it on your skin? Ignorance? Or is out purposeful misinformation from the anti smoking zealots?
Did you expect people to say it is OK to spill 100mg e-Liquid on your hands and then lick it off?
If it was 24 mg strength liquid, that means 24 mg per milliliter. So a 30 ml bottle of 24 mg liquid would actually contain 720 mg of nicotine and ingesting the whole bottle at once would be deadly.
I read somewhere else that for an average-weight adult non-smoker the lethal dose is 60 mg and for an average-weight smoker with a tolerance it's 120 mg. I'm not a scientist and I don't know how they came up with the numbers, but I generally order 30 ml bottles of 36 mg liquid and that should be plenty of nicotine to kill a few people.
I don't agree with radical changes to how liquid is sold, but I believe bottles need to be clearly labeled and I think they all should have child-proof caps. The vendor I order from does both of those things, though more info ( i.e. the inducing vomiting example given by another poster ) would be a good thing.
Oral nicotine poisoning is very rare for the same reason that they have not invented a nicotine pill for smokers to take as a replacement for smoking. Nicotine and stomach acid do not mix. Oral ingestion of nicotine tends to trigger vomiting. This prevents some, if not most, of the nicotine from reaching the bloodstream.
Nevertheless, swallowing nicotine makes you sick beyond the vomiting. When I accidentally swallowed a chunk of a Commit nicotine lozenge, the room started spinning several minutes before I lost my lunch. I had a heachace for a while afterwards, too.
If a child swallowed anything containing nicotine, I'd take them to the ER immediately. Take along a bucket. Some of the poison control instructions say not to induce vomiting unless told to do so by a medical person. I think that's dangerous advice without also including a caution against doing anything to stop vomiting that starts on its own. Administering antiacids would be one of the worst things you can do. The vomiting is good. It's the body defending itself.
Nevertheless, swallowing nicotine makes you sick beyond the vomiting. When I accidentally swallowed a chunk of a Commit nicotine lozenge, the room started spinning several minutes before I lost my lunch. I had a heachace for a while afterwards, too.
If a child swallowed anything containing nicotine, I'd take them to the ER immediately. Take along a bucket. Some of the poison control instructions say not to induce vomiting unless told to do so by a medical person. I think that's dangerous advice without also including a caution against doing anything to stop vomiting that starts on its own. Administering antiacids would be one of the worst things you can do. The vomiting is good. It's the body defending itself.
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If you, for whatever reason, didn't vomit ( unlikely, I know ), would the stomach acid break down the nicotine before it got into your bloodstream? I've used lozenges and I know it's not a good feeling to accidentally swallow some. I'm not educated at all on nicotine-stomach acid interaction beyond the hiccups and feeling ill.
Ok, now that makes sense. I will NOT drink my bottle of e juice then!
It's hard to tell from posts in this thread how much nicotine is in a bottle in total. I doubt most of us noobs would know that it's per milliliter. Not something we ever had to consider when we were smoking analogs I guess.
Ok, now that makes sense. I will NOT drink my bottle of e juice then!
It's hard to tell from posts in this thread how much nicotine is in a bottle in total. I doubt most of us noobs would know that it's per milliliter. Not something we ever had to consider when we were smoking analogs I guess.
Yes, keep that in mind bottles are in ML and do not swallow
ha. Nicotine is not something you want to mess around with! As a side note; caffeine can be fatal in its pure form too. Only 10 grams of pure caffeine can kill you!
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