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For me, it seems to play nice with about any of the combos I've tried as long as I keep the GD at lower percents. I think your vanilla, cream idea sounds good and I need to give that a try.
I added a few drops of Inawera Czeresnie (Cherry) to the recipe I posted and, oh boys, I could vape this all day, anyday.
Alcohol gives me a bit of a problem as well. I love the taste and th but it takes my throat out if there's too much and I get into a heavy vape session. The SC flavors are alcohol based and don't give me a problem, but I was worried that if I used pga in the Rustica mix, it might be a little too much for me, so I just use pg and a little heat (100 degrees or so). It does separate back out a little overnight in my recipes with ring around the collar sort of thing but a few shakes seems to take care of that.
Hey Rudy, nice finally to open a convo with you. Finally had the chance to speak to Hoosier on the landline a short time back during the regulation frenzy. Always a pleasure to meet some of you most valuable contributors.
Have a bunch of TA's of diff types I've collected and gotten samples of over the past three years since scuba's original posts and frankly it's a smeared mess. Most have turned to concrete, sludge or paste so thick it's hard to work with. Have about 3ml left of what I think was the last version offered by Seedman or TFA. Had a lot of trouble getting concentrations right early on and was mixing at almost 4% (TA) which was 10x what I intended, overpowering and made me think steep times were prohibitive. Finally made time to sort this all out as the results looked so promising. And true it was, as the shake and bake recipes I favor quickly and richly mature with a bit of TA.
Use the remainder TFA/seedman at 25% with NN's distillation for normally a net 1% tincture in solution with whatever RY4 (PG) I plan to use and steep it at least a week. With the RY4 I've never seen separation. Mebe wishful thinkin' but it seems to taste smoother to me pre-blended with the main base tobacco. Not the 1:10 or even 1:20 (5%) dilutions I see everywhere. These seemed overpowering to me. My strategy is slow and measured using TA as an accent. Using a pre base mix helps me assure the ratio is maintained, not requiring replication for every recipe. More when suitable remains the option. At least that's my thinking. I'm big on baselines.
It would be useful tho to see a list of available TA sources and varieties published somewhere. Perhaps including suggestions for ratio%, dilution media and steep times (tincture and/or final blend). My short list...
TOBACCO ABSOLUTE: Samara Botane Aromatic Apothecary
[Tobacco] - Nude Nicotine
Tobacco Absolute Cuban Cigar WG-INW - Bull City Vapor
ECX — Tobacco Absolute Diluted Liquid Concentrate
Azure Vaping Pure Tobacco Absolute
Azure Vaping 1.5 ml vial Tobacco absolute w/ ethyl alcohol
RTS — 10 ml Tobacco Absolute (PG)
MFS - Tobacco Absolute - MyFreedom
Perfumers Apprentice - Tobacco Absolute 5% - in Alcohol
Tobacco Blend (Alc)**— High Desert Vapes
Tobacco Blend — High Desert Vapes
Thanks for the kick in the pants. Need to get the house in order and replace the ones I've liked and try some others. So just placed the order for the Rustica finally. Thank you.
Good luck.
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Hopefully, I can add Alchem/NicSelect tobacco absolute to the list pretty soon; receiving a sample of their nicotine and soon to be released TA, for testing and review.
Hopefully, I can add Alchem/NicSelect tobacco absolute to the list pretty soon; receiving a sample of their nicotine and soon to be released TA, for testing and review.
Glad to see the diversity of nic and tab flavorings for reasons I've spoken to on the news forums. If we need to go it alone that'll be the day we'll thank our luck stars for it. I'd love to see an explosion of such commerce and outlet for smaller growers/producers.
Good luck.
Frustrated. Dropped an order on BCV. No ack. Tried Samara, can't open acct or get to checkout.
Where's the door?
Good luck.
Where's the door?Good luck.
Frustrated. Dropped an order on BCV. No ack. Tried Samara, can't open acct or get to checkout.
Good luck.
Tap "Store" and it'll take you to where you can create an account.
Alas, bin der, dun dat. Get an error page at account and checkout. Best laid plans methinks. Try another day.
Good luck. /shrug
p.s. Thx tho.
Good luck. /shrug
p.s. Thx tho.
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Of the several TA's you listed, many of them are similar to each other. RTS seems to be the best one compared to ECX, MFS and perhaps to TPA. Mother's Milk is also an option. They make their own TA onsite, a clear advantage when it comes to quality.
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Thx Ex. Have them tagged and was hoping for a little feedback so I could get my priorities straight. I'll look at MM again as I thought they were strictly WTA.
Made the mistake I think in running early samples from friends thru the micro to help liquify them for use. Prolly accelerated their premature desiccation. Diluting them then makes it difficult determining what's used (the concentration has changed, how much?). Haven't done alc solutions as I'm particularly taste sensitive. For me this increases steep times and taste just doesn't cancel out fully for me. So it means using % that would not be especially meaningful in recipes intended for others to enjoy. Still feedback on what's a typical ratio for each type of TA or TE given the dilution/medium (alc, pg, etc.) would be helpful as a ref. Really enjoy sharing the finished product with others very much. Don't enjoy cooking for just myself either, kitchen or grill.
The TPA I have (if it's the last from Wizard as I recall) the same as as currently available from TPA? Also I had a direct link (perhaps dated) for SM's original TA. Is that available? Think I had some samples or DIY juices with it I enjoyed. Is Somara's rustica the hands down fav? Read all of Hoosier's data early on. But there are are a great many alt sources from the perfumery industry.
Figured something of the like on the connect. Not impossible I trapped a bad pref somewhere. Same thing happened opening an account with Bull City so obviously something went gnarly in memory. All's well it appears after a reboot. Run a fairly tight setup but things can go deep sh¡¡t in a hurry with bad webcode execution. All that said, did order the TA from BCV. Met Jeff on the phone over there. Very helpful sorting out the account issue and product questions.
Thanks for the comeback Ex. Good luck.
You can eliminate all traces of alcohol Mac, by combining it with an equal amount of pg and then evaporating the mixture to the 50% mark. You can find the exact procedure and other useful info in this thread, (which I think has already been posted here before.) Here it is once again:
Tobacco Absolute - A Flavor All By Itself.
As for Rustica, it is a potent flavor, but quite different from a traditional tobacco taste. I consider it an exotic flavor. It comes in a paste which initially will have to be dissolved in alcohol and then combined with pg.
To be honest though, if you can extract your own tobacco, that is by far better than any tobacco absolute you will ever find. Just a 2% alcohol extract in your mix will give you plenty of flavor. In fact I have stopped using TA altogether in favor of my own extractions. You will find plenty of info in this sub-forum:
Liquid Extraction From Tobacco
There are separate threads for alcohol extraction and pg extractions. Alcohol will give you the best flavor, and as I mentioned before, you can always evaporate your mix.
As for ratios for each type or TE, As I understand it, alcohol extraction is usually mixed around 5-7%. Pg usually at 20%. Tobacco Absolute usually 1-2%. I personally find 1-2% TA not enough flavor, but others do.
Good luck Mac, and wish you the best.
Tobacco Absolute - A Flavor All By Itself.
As for Rustica, it is a potent flavor, but quite different from a traditional tobacco taste. I consider it an exotic flavor. It comes in a paste which initially will have to be dissolved in alcohol and then combined with pg.
To be honest though, if you can extract your own tobacco, that is by far better than any tobacco absolute you will ever find. Just a 2% alcohol extract in your mix will give you plenty of flavor. In fact I have stopped using TA altogether in favor of my own extractions. You will find plenty of info in this sub-forum:
Liquid Extraction From Tobacco
There are separate threads for alcohol extraction and pg extractions. Alcohol will give you the best flavor, and as I mentioned before, you can always evaporate your mix.
As for ratios for each type or TE, As I understand it, alcohol extraction is usually mixed around 5-7%. Pg usually at 20%. Tobacco Absolute usually 1-2%. I personally find 1-2% TA not enough flavor, but others do.
Good luck Mac, and wish you the best.
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Thx Ex, I had picked up the TA thread at one point but lost track of it, didn't post. Agree with you on extraction and there are several vendors offerings that intrigue me. Of course I'm down here right in the midst of tobacco country and I had heard that some firm/s were doing extraction in Miami. Mebe, wishful thinking. Been blessed with a lot of shares from folks these past three years as encouragement to try NET myself. Afraid I couldn't keep up with that given how much I vape/sample/test/build/promote/train and the resources required. Trying to gain some wiggle room for myself. My goal right now simply is to up the game with flavorings for the shake'n vape recipes that keep things rollin'. Overcame most of my pg sensitivity and hope for the same with alc solutions which I'm starting to work with once more. Think that's essential if I'm going to try extraction again myself.
Grateful for the feedback. Good luck.
Popped the cork on this one tonght, after a couple of months on the steep shelf; very tasty, if you like figs and rum.
Really been enjoying nostradus's Maxx and Black recipe. Just an awesome cigar vape; very authentic. The chocolate from the Black and Mild pairs well with this one. Nice recipe, thanks nos. I'll throw the recipe here just in the event anyone missed it (I tweaked it to my tastes by adding a touch of Oakwood (FA) to give it that dryness I like in cigars).
Maxx Blend (SC) - 3.5%
Black and Mild (SC) - 2%
DNB (INW) - 1%
Oakwood (FA) - .5% (the Oakwood was added by me, if you don't like a heavy dry feel to your vape, leave out)
Another one from SC which has made its way to my rotation was Havana Dry. I mix it at 3% with Garuda (INW) at 1%. Real nice cigar leaf style vape. Very impressed with the Super Concentrates line lately.
Maxx Blend (SC) - 3.5%
Black and Mild (SC) - 2%
DNB (INW) - 1%
Oakwood (FA) - .5% (the Oakwood was added by me, if you don't like a heavy dry feel to your vape, leave out)
Another one from SC which has made its way to my rotation was Havana Dry. I mix it at 3% with Garuda (INW) at 1%. Real nice cigar leaf style vape. Very impressed with the Super Concentrates line lately.
.....kinda mad at myself.....only made 15ml; one day of pleasure for now.
Yeal that does look good, thanks for posting. Wish I had the ingredients to duplicate, or at least the fig. It's on my list now because I'm thinking I'd really like it.
That does look good, and +1 on the SC flavors.
So is Cohiba still the must-try SC flavor? Doing a Bull City order soon and want to pitch one or two in.
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