If your liking the HS Desert Ship then make sure you order Highway and No5 also, they have the same type flavor. Be sure to order the 50 ml concentrates or else your going to be making another order with the 50's sooner than expected. The INW Garuda TA is also another excellent addin to the HS tobacs.
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If your liking the HS Desert Ship then make sure you order Highway and No5 also, they have the same type flavor. Be sure to order the 50 ml concentrates or else your going to be making another order with the 50's sooner than expected. The INW Garuda TA is also another excellent addin to the HS tobacs.
Thanks for the recommendations, I'll grab those next time. Hmm, I have some Garuda TA and love it, will have to try it in with my DS mix
I agree with Highway, it's among my top flavors along with HA Desert Ship. But for some reason, I don't get the same from No.5 (or T5 for that matter) - to my taste buds it has a bright floral quality like I get from all 7 Leaves flavors. Strange, I know.
Ugh, floral from 7 leaves eh. It was on my short list to try but if it's floral I can't handle it.
I often read positive comments about 7 leaves and think I should like it, but I find it floral too. I've still got the flavouring, keep meaning to mix some up at a really low % as I wonder if I may like it then after a good steep.
I make my desert ship at 6%, the INW garuda at 5% both as standalones. Blend them together after a good steep at 60HS/40garuda with 1 1/2% AP (or to taste) then resteep for a week or so and enjoy.
I have to mix the FA 7leaves at 12% or there is just no flavor to me. I don't get the floral but I do say its mighty sweet and I use it sparingly till its gone.
The HS Deluxe has a chocolate note to me (YUK) but it fairs well with a few drops of either spearmint or wintergreen and makes a mock after8.
HS tab blend is another I don't like, its got a super sweet caramelly tone to it like the RY's.
I have to mix the FA 7leaves at 12% or there is just no flavor to me. I don't get the floral but I do say its mighty sweet and I use it sparingly till its gone.
The HS Deluxe has a chocolate note to me (YUK) but it fairs well with a few drops of either spearmint or wintergreen and makes a mock after8.
HS tab blend is another I don't like, its got a super sweet caramelly tone to it like the RY's.
Floral? Which brand of 7Leaves - FA or INW? What %, and how long a steep? This one takes quite a while to develop. I mix it at 2%, and get no floral flavor after 4 weeks of steeping. Heat does not help with this one !!
Anyway if you still do not like it at the end, I will take all you got
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It's my beloved right now. Passed right by Hangsen Highway as my go-to. It does gunk a little faster, but worth it for me. Plus, I'm used to NETs, so by comparison it's clean.
You do any of the other For Pipes? I enjoy Black as well, though Dark is my #1. Planning to order some Gold and Jack too.
It wasn't me stating it, I was saying if it has any floral quality I can't handle it.Floral? Which brand of 7Leaves - FA or INW? What %, and how long a steep? This one takes quite a while to develop. I mix it at 2%, and get no floral flavor after 4 weeks of steeping. Heat does not help with this one !!
Anyway if you still do not like it at the end, I will take all you got
Floral? Which brand of 7Leaves - FA or INW? What %, and how long a steep? This one takes quite a while to develop. I mix it at 2%, and get no floral flavor after 4 weeks of steeping. Heat does not help with this one !!
Anyway if you still do not like it at the end, I will take all you got
Sorry to step in sideways on this convo but I've got a similar question on the Cuba Cigar/TA Cuban INA. I've had the Cuba Cigar INA/TFA flavoring for a spell and didn't find it that compelling. Thought I'd read that it's an aromatic and so complements the olfactory aspects of the flavoring itself. Indeed INA suggests it in their description…Mixed with tobacco aroma strengthens its taste. But as a flavor I found it lacking potency even as a great booster for cigar recipes. At the recommended 1-2% it's adequate.
So I've been looking forward to testing the TA alongside it. Must say the TA is quite impressive as a flavoring. A valuable perhaps indispensable kit towards a credible semblance of a Cuban but kind of weak for an absolute. As the keynote (@ .8-.85ml/10ml) for a couple of frameworks like the one I posted earlier I found the TA quite rewarding.
As for the combination of both can someone suggest some workable ratios? At the percentages and drops noted by INA the aromatic seemed to wash out the deep leaf notes of the TA and really didn't lend much to the vapor's aroma or taste/texture on exhale. Perhaps I just don't respond to this particular chemistry.
In any case the TA's sure found a home in the bag of tricks. Ran it in various combinations through several VW testers and a few mechs. Delightful and for once reminded me of the last time I'd actually had one. So thanks all for the input.
Good luck.
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I was referring to FA 7 Leaves. I usually let my tobaccos steep at least 4 weeks, up to 8 weeks and I do it naturally in a dark closet without any speed steeping or heat.Floral? Which brand of 7Leaves - FA or INW? What %, and how long a steep? This one takes quite a while to develop. I mix it at 2%, and get no floral flavor after 4 weeks of steeping. Heat does not help with this one !!
Anyway if you still do not like it at the end, I will take all you got
I used it at 3% (I think) and after about a month and half, I tasted a bright tobacco with "floral" notes or perhaps "grassy" might have been a better explanation. I'm trying it again at my normal percentage for testing FA tobaccos, 3%. I also put together a test of INW (also at 3%)to see if there is a difference. I could be wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time, so I'll find out in about a month.
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Keep us posted on your results. I personally find 7Leaves from INW and FA almost the same. At 2.2%, I get a semi-fruity taste quite similar to cooked plums. YMMV.
In any case the TA's sure found a home in the bag of tricks. Ran it in various combinations through several VW testers and a few mechs. Delightful and for once reminded me of the last time I'd actually had one. So thanks all for the input.
Good luck.
Just curious, have you found any difference in optimum watts for vaping TA vs synthetics? I often find myself lowering the watts when vaping TA or NETS.
The fruitiness is likely what some perceive as floral.
But when you taste floral you know it, it's such an odd note. I had a liquid that was great (Bryce's Holy Canoli) except an overpowering floral taste made it unvapeable to me, his other juices are great though.
Honey is often floral, does 7Leaves have a honey flavor?
Very good question. In essence with richer tobacco's I find you'll experience better flavor accuracy if you resist the temptation to max out the tobacco by increasing wattage. You may be aware I introduced the tensioned microcoil. Essentially a fully oxidized closed (contact) coil. They run cooler as you're putting the max poss power onto the most compactly adapted wetted surface (high vaporization rate). Consequently I rarely have to vape a tobacco over 25W (VW). Buttt…my fav cloud vapes are light tobaccos I also enjoy cool. Early on I discovered some RY4's like Tribeca have attributes that definitely shine cool (on current gear I'd vape that at 17.5W, my low side). In that case the often references to anise. Those bright notes are dim and I find easily overpowered by the tobacco as temp rises. I would agree with you the denser richer the tobacco the more warmth favors it. But subtle characteristics may be muted so that needs to be considered in the mix (and I think that's what you're alluding to, accommodating that). In general tho lighter tobacco's I personally like to the cool side, darker and richer to the warm. Hard to build a rich robust tobacco without going high in the flavoring count and that makes temperature a challenge. But I'm seeing this may be possible for the ligher cigar vapes I enjoy thanks to Rudy's thread here. Also why my quest for tighter consistent winds as these aid in finding the broad middle most productive ground between flavor and volume.
Good luck Ex, I like the way you think.
p.s. I found TA's early on and don't do straight synth tab unless it's a popular commercial standard. The only diff of concern is as we know suspended solid density which although not necessarily obvious will junk coils, ex. JCTC.
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Yeah was eyeballing French Pipe too. Getting paralyzed by too many options.
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Too many vapes, too little time.
Good luck.
Question still up on the INA TA / Cuban Tab flavoring percentages in combo. Anyone runnin' that? Good luck.
I have read your thread on tensioned coils and had good results with cotton. Have you ever compared tensioned vs spaced with rayon? Most people in the rayon thread recommend spaced - apparently because it helps juice flow better.
Spaced also seems to give longer life. I've switched for NETs and gunkier tobaccos.
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Guess the best argument for a precision wind metric is how variable we are. You can take the same precisely turned wind, vape it 7 days in a row and your vape perception might be different each and every time! We are the variable. In that context a constant is invaluable to assess what we do meaningfully.
Always recommend beginners learn to spin up a contact coil with a pin vise. We've been doin' hoops for millennia. Trying to hand wind perfection is a fools errand. We're talkin' serious, we need to nail the result. We've got tools for a reason and as for tension it's in everything. I've tried to guide folks to its best use whatever they want to wind. But I really feel for the new guy who needs to get his vape on right the * now. As for the wind, if you got the room and you like spaced wind it. At least with Kanthal you can hand wind a precision coil in seconds on a screw and temper to full oxidation in a few low voltage pulses. Not as much variability on spacing as you're locked into the various SAE pitches (or metric). For precise temp control I don't rely on a chip, I target the sweet spot for the batt directly to give me as much variability in wattage as I may need. For example, I target 2.7018, 2.75 and 2.82mm with 25awg 7or8 turns. At the same wattage output I can get distinctively different performance and temp. Why? Because contrary to what we're used to it's not just about watts but power, juice and air flow. I use twisted for some juices. Like many, I find some recipes just taste better that way. They need to be spaced as it's more difficult to make them functional micros. I still use ribbon spaced and contact. Parallels and tandem coils. It's all good. But I use strain to optimize them all. Less waste, more flavor.
Thanks for the nod Ex. My mission's been about getting more new vapers enjoying the vape asap (and safely). I'm here for some relief from all that regimentation. My tastes are far more varied than basic techniques. And I'm finally taking some time for myself to broaden my flavor horizons from the necessary tedium of standardized testing. That effort largely ended with Kanger's changing the game giving us a truly open tank system and all that's followed this.
Good luck.
Always recommend beginners learn to spin up a contact coil with a pin vise. We've been doin' hoops for millennia. Trying to hand wind perfection is a fools errand. We're talkin' serious, we need to nail the result. We've got tools for a reason and as for tension it's in everything. I've tried to guide folks to its best use whatever they want to wind. But I really feel for the new guy who needs to get his vape on right the * now. As for the wind, if you got the room and you like spaced wind it. At least with Kanthal you can hand wind a precision coil in seconds on a screw and temper to full oxidation in a few low voltage pulses. Not as much variability on spacing as you're locked into the various SAE pitches (or metric). For precise temp control I don't rely on a chip, I target the sweet spot for the batt directly to give me as much variability in wattage as I may need. For example, I target 2.7018, 2.75 and 2.82mm with 25awg 7or8 turns. At the same wattage output I can get distinctively different performance and temp. Why? Because contrary to what we're used to it's not just about watts but power, juice and air flow. I use twisted for some juices. Like many, I find some recipes just taste better that way. They need to be spaced as it's more difficult to make them functional micros. I still use ribbon spaced and contact. Parallels and tandem coils. It's all good. But I use strain to optimize them all. Less waste, more flavor.
Thanks for the nod Ex. My mission's been about getting more new vapers enjoying the vape asap (and safely). I'm here for some relief from all that regimentation. My tastes are far more varied than basic techniques. And I'm finally taking some time for myself to broaden my flavor horizons from the necessary tedium of standardized testing. That effort largely ended with Kanger's changing the game giving us a truly open tank system and all that's followed this.
Good luck.
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