Another tip on the unflavored is 2 or 3 tiny bottle drops of Koolada per 8ml. Of course it's not really unflavored anymore I guess.
This is brilliant. I don't care for menthol so this hit the spot.
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This is brilliant. I don't care for menthol so this hit the spot.
Finally got to read through all these pages, and WOW! Thank you all for your wonderful insights and reviews on the tobacco theme - that is close to my hearth and likes.
I generally use only Inawera and a few Hangsens, and a few FA tobaccos.
First when I started to try HS, I went with 7% flavoring (Highway and RY1), but I did not like them at all, even from a very long steep/seeding time.
I put the Hangsens in the freezer, and after reading in this wonderful thread, revisited the Highway and mixed it at 3,5%. Now that did the trick! I now enjoy it, and are looking forward to retrying the 25-30 different HS flavors at lower %, with some TP or AP, and maybe some chocolate
The main reason for switching to Inawera is the lack of availability of HS concentrates in Europe.
I think I have about 180-190 Inawera flavors, that I'm slowly working my way through.
After reading this thread, I got interested in trying the SC line of tobaccos. Does anyone know if there is a European seller of these? Shipment from the US is at 20+ $, so the total cost for a single bottle is kind of steep...
Thanks in advance!
Regards
Zinfandel
I generally use only Inawera and a few Hangsens, and a few FA tobaccos.
First when I started to try HS, I went with 7% flavoring (Highway and RY1), but I did not like them at all, even from a very long steep/seeding time.
I put the Hangsens in the freezer, and after reading in this wonderful thread, revisited the Highway and mixed it at 3,5%. Now that did the trick! I now enjoy it, and are looking forward to retrying the 25-30 different HS flavors at lower %, with some TP or AP, and maybe some chocolate
The main reason for switching to Inawera is the lack of availability of HS concentrates in Europe.
I think I have about 180-190 Inawera flavors, that I'm slowly working my way through.
After reading this thread, I got interested in trying the SC line of tobaccos. Does anyone know if there is a European seller of these? Shipment from the US is at 20+ $, so the total cost for a single bottle is kind of steep...
Thanks in advance!
Regards
Zinfandel
I've seached for SC in EU as well without result. Luckily FA and INW are widely available, and still some HS at diy e-liquid making suppliesFinally got to read through all these pages, and WOW! Thank you all for your wonderful insights and reviews on the tobacco theme - that is close to my hearth and likes.
I generally use only Inawera and a few Hangsens, and a few FA tobaccos.
First when I started to try HS, I went with 7% flavoring (Highway and RY1), but I did not like them at all, even from a very long steep/seeding time.
I put the Hangsens in the freezer, and after reading in this wonderful thread, revisited the Highway and mixed it at 3,5%. Now that did the trick! I now enjoy it, and are looking forward to retrying the 25-30 different HS flavors at lower %, with some TP or AP, and maybe some chocolate
The main reason for switching to Inawera is the lack of availability of HS concentrates in Europe.
I think I have about 180-190 Inawera flavors, that I'm slowly working my way through.
After reading this thread, I got interested in trying the SC line of tobaccos. Does anyone know if there is a European seller of these? Shipment from the US is at 20+ $, so the total cost for a single bottle is kind of steep...
Thanks in advance!
Regards
Zinfandel
I'd like to hear any tips on HS and SC in the EU too.
Welcome to the tobacco thread and glad it helped with your Tobacco endeavors. Being from the US I can't help you as far as SC vendors local to you. But there are many here in this thread from your neck of the woods (EU) that will chime in with locations you can order from.
The second page of DIY e-liquid is no place for this thread. Here's a bump with a RY-4 recipe I mixed over the weekend:
7% RY-4 Double (TFA)
1.5% Virginia (INA)
1 drop per 10mL Acetyl Pyrazine 10% (TFA)
I've experimented with various tobaccos to fill in what I believe is lacking in TFA's RY-4 Double. I think I've finally found the one that works for me. Inawera's Virginia adds an earthy tobacco funk that counters the rich sweetness of the RY-4.
7% RY-4 Double (TFA)
1.5% Virginia (INA)
1 drop per 10mL Acetyl Pyrazine 10% (TFA)
I've experimented with various tobaccos to fill in what I believe is lacking in TFA's RY-4 Double. I think I've finally found the one that works for me. Inawera's Virginia adds an earthy tobacco funk that counters the rich sweetness of the RY-4.
RY4D was one I got into early on. I quickly migrated away from that type, but might be worth revisiting.
And thanks for bumping. Been dead in here.
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And thanks for bumping. Been dead in here.
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Ill see your RY4 and raise you one:
Turkish RY4
1.5% Hangsen desert ship
1.5% FA desert ship
.5% FA vanilla bourbon
.5% FA caramel
.5% FA Vienna cream
.5% AP
Still a work in progress, but pretty damn tasty!
-Kingboomer
Turkish RY4
1.5% Hangsen desert ship
1.5% FA desert ship
.5% FA vanilla bourbon
.5% FA caramel
.5% FA Vienna cream
.5% AP
Still a work in progress, but pretty damn tasty!
-Kingboomer
Looks tasty! I'm pretty sure I have all of the ingredients as well. I'll put that on my list for this weekend.
That looks like a pretty rich recipe. Every time I whip up FA Desert Ship I drop the concentration a little. I have a bottle of FA Desert Ship mixed at 1% steeping since January 20th that's a medium transparent orange shade and as a standalone flavor it's in your face potent. I'm thinking that the next time I mix it I'll do .5% for comparison.
OTOH, I have HS Desert Ship mixed at 6% in the same session that's a little on the weak side after 2 weeks.
FA is a good deal for the money. You get lots of flavor at low %. Hangsen tends to be a little better (IMO) in the tobacco flavors, but a bottle of flavor doesn't go as far.
My Pet Peeve is Hangsen Tobacco being so weakly flavored. I've tried every mix ratio from low to high and not getting anything similar to what I got from vendor juices that were supposedly mixed from the same Hangsen concentrates. I need to find something to add the tobacco richness to the mix.
I have MTS Vape Wizard, EM, and AP, but have used them sparingly. I need a crash course on how to use them effectively.
That is one nice selection of flavors. Especially like the Vanilla bourbon. The percentages are in line with a not to sweet and over powering RY4 which are the kind of ry4's I like. I'm particular to strong tobacco so for my taste I would just bump up the tobacco. I'm not familiar with the FA desert ship so I can be completely off base with that one. Keep us informed of your progress.
Looks like it would be right down my alley.
Here's one I like really well.
Hangsen Highway 4%
TFA Vanilla Swirl, Vanilla Bean, Vanillin 1% ea.
TFA Caramel Candy 2%
TFA Dulce De Leche 2%
You may want to try a little TA with the hangsen tobaccos. This one works well with Hangsen to enhance tobacco flavor.
It's a paste and needs to be mixed into a concentrate. 1ml TA to 9ml PGA. Then use that as a concentrate at 1 - 3%
TOBACCO ABSOLUTE: Samara Botane Aromatic Apothecary
I've done TA with a couple of juices. It adds a nice smoky component to the mix. Mine is a 10% solution in a vendor bottle. I shake it thoroughly and add about .5%. It makes a difference in weak tobacco flavors.
I do need some suggestions and typical use guides about when and where and how to use AP, EM, Vape Wizard, and other flavor enhancers properly. I do know that VW smooths out sharp notes in juices. EM sweetens and AP adds nuttiness.
Well EM is not a sweetener but a flavor mask that will enhance already sweet flavors at the expense of tobacco flavor and has no place in tobacco (My personal opinion). If you want to sweeten tobacco use regular sweetener starting at less then 1% and no more then 1%..
Smooth is also a flavor mask and is used in tobacco mixes where several different tobaccos are used. It will tame an over bearing tobacco which over powers the rest. I myself don't use it I just adjust tobacco percentages to compensate so I can't give you usage suggestions on that. Keep in mind that it will also mask the more subtle notes of the minor tobaccos. So I would suggest start percentages real low. I consider it a tool for when the mixer really screwed up the percentages of the tobacco's used and the first puff blew your head off because it was so strong.
What you have to realize is just like fruits go good with cream or vanilla and chocolate go good with cake or crust. Certain tobaccos go good with others some do not. So half the battle is grouping similar tobaccos for use in tobacco blends and If the percentages of these tobaccos are correctly used to begin with there should be no need for smooth. If the tobacco is to harsh at low percentages I would find a different tobacco flavor.
AP is used to give a nutty note to tobacco and enhances the taste of No.5 and highway type tobaccos (I use this a lot). Use up to 1% on tobaccos that already have a nutty note and you want to enhance the note. Use 1-2% on non nutty tobaccos like Virginia, USA red or any non nutty tobacco to add nuttyness to the mix. Above 2% you start to get into that burnt corn chip taste. If your taste is especially sensitive to it then use less.
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Thanks a lot, i'll take a look and order some Meiwei, perhaps some 555 and cigar stuff. Meanwhile, besides that UK store i posted diy e-liquid making supplies, still can't find any good deals on Hangsen. Guess i'll order some bulk from China @ Best Electronic Cigarettes, Buy Electronic Cigarettes at Wholesale Rate
$10.90 a bottle for 50ml 10 bottle minimum Hangsen and $20.00 Hong Kong post shipping to the USA is a good price. Only issue is it would take a month to get here. HK shipping is so slow.
It looks like all original Hangsen product and not a knock off. I wonder if they would let you mix different flavors in that 10 bottle minimum or do you have to buy all the same flavor?
Bookmarked it for future use.
I have in laws in China maybe I can have them get it and ship it to me
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Thanks for the responses guys! LOL I didn't think it'd be that popular! It is a rich ry4 to be sure, the FA percentage is right about Where it needs to be without being overpowering. I might bump up the Hangsen to the full 2% next time, but IMHO this is a nice variation.
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