Fcuk My Tofu! Damn E-Cigs
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DCrist721 excellent post about hippies... the corporate media sure has done a good job of disparaging one of the most influential groups for social change of the past 100 years at least...PEACE.
I agree fenez - a lot of Hippies did a bad job after the fact...I think it was Gurdjief who said, 90% of people are followers and 10% lead...when the culture changed so did the hippies that were following the leaders of the 60's...
Here, here! I've always marched to my own beat, but I feel I've really come into my own after becoming a parent. I've never been a fan of The Man, but then I got a big push after having a little life depending on me that brings out that Mama Bear and drives me to work hard to make my world and ultimately his world a better place.
We lived la vida tofu for 2 years, but I gave it up for organic grassfed/pastured meat from a local Amish farmer. (I'm so happy the beef is back!) We use cloth diapers that I home launder, walk or bike everywhere we can, I was using "green bags" for grocery sacks WAY before it was en vogue. We shop Craigslist/Goodwill as much as we can and grow our produce or pick it up at the farmer's market (ride our bikes there as a family) instead of shopping at giant conglomerate stores. I avoid packaging as much as I can in the stuff that I do buy, we recycle TONS (we usually have 1 sack of trash at the curb and 2 full recycling bins) and while I'm a SAHM, I volunteer as a coordinator of a homeless shelter. We don't do incandescent light bulbs, and worms eat our organic food scraps and other compostables - which we then use to fertilize the garden.
We don't believe in littering or juice boxes or waste. My cleaning supplies are all homemade from non-toxic biodegradable stuff that won't suffocate fishes once it breaks down. Our toiletries are all natural and organic and we co-op them to make them more affordable.
There are some non-green or non-hippie parts of my life that I dislike but can't do without - like the waste from my diabetic supplies. All those damn needles and empty vials from my insulin bum me out when I have to throw them out. And yes, The Man does get my money when I pick up my stuff at the pharmacy each month but that's kind of necessary for me to live.
And Mister works at a corporation downtown, but at least he takes public transporation to get there. YES I'm a tree-hugger and yes we still have income (you know, because we need things to live, like the aforementioned insulin) and yes our committment to a sustainable lifestyle takes more effort and sometimes more resources but ultimately I feel fulfilled that we are living gently, respecting the earth that is our home and working hard to share love and peace within our community. I've protested stuff like toxins in children's toys and discrimination against public breastfeeding and most of the stuff that raises my ire is simply out of my deep-rooted desire to love and nurture my son and give him the healthiest future possible.
If that makes me a damn dirty hippie then I'm proud to wear that label. I'd kill or die for my kid. There's nothing wrong with the way you and I choose to live - we share a passion that is fueled by a pure desire to make the world a better place. Poopy on the haters.
Now, back to your original topic - my fav thing to do with tofu is to bake it, uncovered, topped with soy sauce and other seasonings. This dries it up a bit to firm up the texture and give it a more "meaty" bite. I served that chopped up on top of salad. My other most loved tofu recipe was buffalo tofu burgers - slice ex. firm tofu, boil to remove water and firm it up more then press out on towels to remove more water. Dip into buffalo sauce, dredge in bread crumbs and pan fry. Serve with some blue cheese dressing on a toasted bun with a leaf or two of butter lettuce. Nummers! I also perfected a killer Greek wrap - quinoa tossed in a red wine vinegarette with crumbled feta, chopped spinach and tomatoes in a spelt wrap. I might make that tomorrow for lunch, now that I think of it. That was delish and we haven't had it in a long time!
Just the smell of seafood makes me nauseous. I didn't even eat really seafood before I became a vegetarian. I ate shrimp occasionally, and I ate tunafish as a kid, but only during grammar school. The smell of lobster really gets me feeling quesy. And trying to walk through chinatown in Manhatten where they have all the fish markets that have eel and frog and stuff - fugetaboutit. I tried sushi for the first time about a month before I became a vegetarian, because I'm always up for trying new things, but that was the last time I ate seafood (unless you count the sea-weed in miso soup).You got me curious so I just checked, my sauce has anchovies. Good thing I'm a pescaterian. Not sure how anyone can give up seafood
It's pretty good, it's mostly granola though so if you don't like granola you obviously wont like this. It's pretty simple too so it can get boring if you eat it everyday, so I like to mix in fresh fruit like strawberries and sliced banana, and I alternate between this cereal and frosted mini-wheats to prevent getting too bored of one or the other.
Here, here! I've always marched to my own beat, but I feel I've really come into my own after becoming a parent. I've never been a fan of The Man, but then I got a big push after having a little life depending on me that brings out that Mama Bear and drives me to work hard to make my world and ultimately his world a better place.
We lived la vida tofu for 2 years, but I gave it up for organic grassfed/pastured meat from a local Amish farmer. (I'm so happy the beef is back!) We use cloth diapers that I home launder, walk or bike everywhere we can, I was using "green bags" for grocery sacks WAY before it was en vogue. We shop Craigslist/Goodwill as much as we can and grow our produce or pick it up at the farmer's market (ride our bikes there as a family) instead of shopping at giant conglomerate stores. I avoid packaging as much as I can in the stuff that I do buy, we recycle TONS (we usually have 1 sack of trash at the curb and 2 full recycling bins) and while I'm a SAHM, I volunteer as a coordinator of a homeless shelter. We don't do incandescent light bulbs, and worms eat our organic food scraps and other compostables - which we then use to fertilize the garden.
We don't believe in littering or juice boxes or waste. My cleaning supplies are all homemade from non-toxic biodegradable stuff that won't suffocate fishes once it breaks down. Our toiletries are all natural and organic and we co-op them to make them more affordable.
There are some non-green or non-hippie parts of my life that I dislike but can't do without - like the waste from my diabetic supplies. All those damn needles and empty vials from my insulin bum me out when I have to throw them out. And yes, The Man does get my money when I pick up my stuff at the pharmacy each month but that's kind of necessary for me to live.
YES I'm a tree-hugger and yes we still have income (you know, because we need things to live, like the aforementioned insulin) and yes our committment to a sustainable lifestyle takes more effort and sometimes more resources but ultimately I feel fulfilled that we are living gently, respecting the earth that is our home and working hard to share love and peace within our community. I've protested stuff like toxins in children's toys and discrimination against public breastfeeding and most of the stuff that raises my ire is simply out of my deep-rooted desire to love and nurture my son and give him the healthiest future possible.
If that makes me a damn dirty hippie then I'm proud to wear that label. I'd kill or die for my kid. There's nothing wrong with the way you and I choose to live - we share a passion that is fueled by a pure desire to make the world a better place. Poopy on the haters.
Now, back to your original topic - my fav thing to do with tofu is to bake it, uncovered, topped with soy sauce and other seasonings. This dries it up a bit to firm up the texture and give it a more "meaty" bite. I served that chopped up on top of salad. My other most loved tofu recipe was buffalo tofu burgers - slice ex. firm tofu, boil to remove water and firm it up more then press out on towels to remove more water. Dip into buffalo sauce, dredge in bread crumbs and pan fry. Serve with some blue cheese dressing on a toasted bun with a leaf or two of butter lettuce. Nummers! I also perfected a killer Greek wrap - quinoa tossed in a red wine vinegarette with crumbled feta, chopped spinach and tomatoes in a spelt wrap. I might make that tomorrow for lunch, now that I think of it. That was delish and we haven't had it in a long time!
A round of applause for a fellow hippie.
I actually hate those green bags though. I feel like they are just another way for companies to make money off the "go green" fad and for them to look like they care about the environment. Personally I re-use my plastic grocery store bags for many things, but I mostly use them as garbage bags around the house (like in the bathroom, under my desk, etc). The plastic of these bags is much thinner then the plastic that garbage bags are made from so I feel as if I'm doing more for the environment by getting plastic bags at the grocery store as opposed to using canvas. What really drives me mad is when I see people with those green bags going to their damn SUV.
I really hate that environmentalism is just a fad and that most of today's "environmentalists" only do it because "it's hip" or because it makes money, and they only do it as long as it's convenient. When I see commercials on TV where the company tries to show you how "green" they are it makes me furious because they're just feeding off of a trend and trying to defeat the competition.
I'm glad that there are other people avoiding corporate stores. The only conglomerate type store I shop at is Trader Joe's,merely because there are no "ma and pop shop" equivalents in my area. I also try to only buy fruits/vegetables that are in season. I too recycle everything that can be recycled, but that should be something that everyone does anyway. Unfortunately there are a lot of things that NY doesn't recycle.
And about not using incandescent lightbulbs, I thought that just about everyone has moved to CFLs because they last so much longer though? I mean, they're better then incandescents in almost every way, and can be used in almost all of the same fixtures, except ones hooked up to dimmer switches (unless you want a strobe light, lol). So why wouldn't people use them?
And about your diabetic supplies, why can't you re-use the needles? As far as resenting "giving the man" your money for your medication and stuff, are there no generic versions of your medication? You should look up to see if there are any mom and pop pharmacies near you. I had never seen any in my area before I looked them up in the phone book. I have to travel 2 towns over but I'd rather do that then buy my medicine at CVS or something though.
But it sounds like your doing a great job at minimizing your effects on the environment. Now it looks like we have a total of 3 hippies here, I think that's more then the amount of hippies on Long Island, lol. We almost have enough people to start our own social group here, hehe.
Now about one of your recipes, what is quinoa and where can I get it?
I considered eating meat from free-range cattle farms upstate, but protesting and attempting to minimize factory farming is only part of why I'm a vegetarian. The other major reason is because I don't believe in killing for any reason. Because I'm also against the death penalty, war, and abortion (although I'm pro-choice because I believe that every woman should have the right to make that decision for herself).
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This forum is great. so many diffferent types of people.
Now don't hate me cause I dont hate you.
But I eat a lot of meat, beef, chicken, pork,fish etc.
I drive a huge suv that gets 11 mpg,
Have three other cars, never recycled untill the state gave us three different garbage cans.
I feel like I can't be bothered with all these ways to reduce my carbon footprint Again, dont hate me, I'm trying to change, but was brought up as a consumer of resources and will take time to change.
As far as e-cigs go, since this is an ecig forum, China and its factories are the BIGGEST polluters of our planet and the factories that churn out our ecigs and atomizers and pass throughs and packaging for the ecigs and juice and little plastic bottles, and jet fuel to get it to us in the USA....well aren't we supporting them buy buying these ecigs and other products?
I'm saying this because it seems silly to worry that anchovies are in worchesire sauce.
just my .02
p.s. I did replace some bulbs with the flourecent compact ones
Now don't hate me cause I dont hate you.
But I eat a lot of meat, beef, chicken, pork,fish etc.
I drive a huge suv that gets 11 mpg,
Have three other cars, never recycled untill the state gave us three different garbage cans.
I feel like I can't be bothered with all these ways to reduce my carbon footprint Again, dont hate me, I'm trying to change, but was brought up as a consumer of resources and will take time to change.
As far as e-cigs go, since this is an ecig forum, China and its factories are the BIGGEST polluters of our planet and the factories that churn out our ecigs and atomizers and pass throughs and packaging for the ecigs and juice and little plastic bottles, and jet fuel to get it to us in the USA....well aren't we supporting them buy buying these ecigs and other products?
I'm saying this because it seems silly to worry that anchovies are in worchesire sauce.
just my .02
p.s. I did replace some bulbs with the flourecent compact ones
This forum is great. so many diffferent types of people.
Now don't hate me cause I dont hate you.
But I eat a lot of meat, beef, chicken, pork,fish etc.
I drive a huge suv that gets 11 mpg,
Have three other cars, never recycled untill the state gave us three different garbage cans.
I feel like I can't be bothered with all these ways to reduce my carbon footprint Again, dont hate me, I'm trying to change, but was brought up as a consumer of resources and will take time to change.
As far as e-cigs go, since this is an ecig forum, China and its factories are the BIGGEST polluters of our planet and the factories that churn out our ecigs and atomizers and pass throughs and packaging for the ecigs and juice and little plastic bottles, and jet fuel to get it to us in the USA....well aren't we supporting them buy buying these ecigs and other products?
I'm saying this because it seems silly to worry that anchovies are in worchesire sauce.
just my .02
p.s. I did replace some bulbs with the flourecent compact ones
I worry about anchovies being in Worcestershire sauce because I don't like the idea of eating an animal that was once alive; it goes against my beliefs. That was a little uncalled for; I don't go around saying that your spiritual beliefs are silly. And also having any kind of meat at this point would make me sick and cause me to vomit because my body no longer produces the right enzymes that are needed in order for me to break down and metabolize meat.
Just because there is pollution involved in the manufacturing process of e-cigs doesn't mean that doing anything else to help the environment is pointless. By using e-cigs though we are preventing a ton of cigarette smoke from entering the atmosphere, and well as preventing billions of fiberglass filters (that don't break down) from being litered or put into landfills. If these factories weren't producing e-cigs, they would be producing some other product that probably wouldn't be benifiting the envoronment.
You have 4 cars but you can't be bothered to be environmentally sensitive? That just makes you lazy.
Meat farming is one of the biggest polluters in the world too.
The worst part is that you seem to be proud that you drive a gas-guzzling SUV, that you eat a ton of meat, that you never used to recycle and that you can't be bothered to do any good for the world.
I feel like you're just trolling for a flame war here.
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Ooooh damn...guilty
To be fair though, I have seven kids. You try to get around with a pack larger than the partridge family in anything less.
eLiciafay, compared to you, I'm a environmental caveman. You commitment is amazing.
Ooooh damn...guilty
To be fair though, I have seven kids. You try to get around with a pack larger than the partridge family in anything less.
eLiciafay, compared to you, I'm a environmental caveman. You commitment is amazing.
Awww! ****loves****
If everybody just tries a little bit harder everyday, the collective can make a difference. So you keep doing what you're doing and then occasionally challenge yourself to step it up. Living gently really isn't that much harder. It just takes a shift of conscience. What wouldn't you do for your grandchildren?We have an SUV too - it's the most efficient vehicle that will fit our tribe. Hybrids actually aren't better for the planet because of the process of making the battery and the lack of a way to dispose of it safely once it's expired. For our next car, I'm considering going diesel and converting it to a greasecar. But I plan on driving the Jeep until it dies - I'm not the typical American who cares about having brand new everything. Maybe by the time we need a new vehicle, there will be better technology that makes even less of a negative impact on the planet. Around here you do need a car to go some places. It's me, Mister, the little man, my brother, his fiancee and a golden retriever and a lab. When we're all loaded up, there's no way we'd all fit in a small passenger car. To go on vacation, we need the top carrier to put luggage. (The dogs go on vacation with us, they're family!) But we try to minimize the driving as much as we can. It's about 60 degrees out today so I'm fixin to hitch up the baby trailer and bike to the store for some groceries.
Now, DCrist - quinoa (pronouced keen-wah) is a seed that is consumed as a grain. You cook it similar to rice. You need to rinse it in a sieve before cooking, there's a bitter tasting powder as part of the seed coat. That's the only special instruction as to cooking it. You cook it similar to rice as far as timing and water ratio. It is the only grain that I know of that is a complete protein, contains all the amino acids necessary for the human body. You can get it at TJ's I think - or a local health food store should carry it too. Obviously, organic would be the better choice when buying since it doesn't have a thick hull to protect it from pesticides soaking into the seed and all the chemicals in the ground will concentrate into the seeds you're consuming. Cooked up, it looks like little balls like a fine grain pastina or couscous. It takes on flavors well as it's very neutral in taste and works well as a side dish or on salads or sandwiches. How could you not know about quinoa? You're missin' out!
Here's the wiki: Quinoa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I agree with you about killing - meat eating really doesn't suit my Ghandi-like pacifist demeanor
but my diabetes really hard a hard time with all the phytoestrogens from the soy. My blood sugar was under very poor control when we were veg, I think because so many veg proteins contained carbs too and carbs are the diabetic person's mortal enemy. I am way healthier back on a diet that includes meat protein. So I try to eat the gentlest meat protein that I can get.I'm with you on the abortion thing, bro. I do not believe that it would ever be the choice for me, but I also believe that others should have the choice available to them. I think that attitude is part of the general belief that you and I share, to live and let live, to not judge, to accept and love all people equally. KWIM?
Oh and about reusing the needles - It would be painful at least and dangerous at worst to do so. People with diabetes have compromised immune systems, so using a dirty needle could introduce pathogens directly into my body and cause a dangerous infection. Besides that, the needles are so fine that once you use it the sharp tip is blunted a bit and the lubrication on the needle shaft is used up so in the situations where I haven't had an extra needle on me and I had to reuse it, the second shot really hurts! They are use once and destroy items.
I agree with you about the green bags being such a moneymaking fad. I wish it weren't so. I sew my own from fabric scraps leftover from my other sewing projects. I've done it since I was a kid, I used to make myself totes and purses to match other clothes I made. I have totes that are over 10 years old that I made. I also give a lot of them away to friends and family. My mom switched from all plastic to all totes after many years of me trying to convince her they were better. The plastic sacks from the store bother me so much because they use petroleum, and plastic is forever. They aren't going anywhere, they don't break down. They do get into the lakes and oceans and kill aquatic life. And recycling them is the biggest hoax ever. To make the amount of plastic bags out of recycled bags that a company can sell for $300 takes $3000 worth of resources. Nobody's really recycling those bags. We need to ban them, like some countries and cities have done. Sorry, man. We'll have to agree to disagree on plastic shopping bags. I think they're an abomination. Want me to make you some totes?
Not trolling for a war, I never said your spiritual beliefs were silly, nor am I proud to drive a gas guzzling SUV, not ashamed either. Lazy? Depends on your definition on lazy, I work 6 days a week, put in about 50+ hours, take time to do family stuff with the wife and kids, volunteer for homless and under priv kids, and have a laundry list of other things I take care of. Compost my garbage, no
Sorry for the confusion about eating a lot of meat, I wouldn't say it's a ton, but usually my diet has a lot of veggies and starches too, but I do enjoy meat.
I'm really not looking to start a fight here, I was trying to make a point that I feel these little enviromental steps we take as individuals are just a drop in bucket of the scale of pollution going out there. To fight the global pollution and wasting of resources we should be using our voices and energy to change the system. If the gas guzzling suvs were not available or electric cars could compete in performance with gas, Id be the first in line to buy one. Polluting factories are killing us as well as the dependence of oil.
Like the hybrids you can buy now, they have huge banks of batteries and don't get too much more mileage than a non hybrid. People buy them because it makes them feel good and its popular to be green now. Hybrid hummer anyone? Sure these are all good steps in the right direction, but in the large scope of things make such a small impact.
I agree with you 100% about people only being green because its hip, thats what bothers me, pollute like theres no tomorrow, and then act green. My comments were not directed directly towards you, but to hiprocrites that acts green but for the wrong reasons.
I guess what I'm try to say is I think its weird that people are so green, environmentally sensitive, hippe (in a good sense) but still use and buy e-cigs. I can see someone being very conscience about their consumption of resources and pollution etc, but having to do some harm to be pratical, IE diabetic needles, gas, eletricity shopping at walmart etc, but smoking is a pure vice and not a necessity in anyway, and don't tell me an e-cig is a greener way than an analog. Roll a tobacco in a tree bark, thats green! Gross but green.
Anyways, I apologize if I offended,
to keep this thread on track I make a great salmon tofu watercress salad, just omit the salmon,
1 bunch watercress chopped
1 block firm tofu cut into pieces
1 onion thinly sliced
1 can salmon (omit if you want)
Sauce is 1 c. soy sauce 1/2c sugar and 1/4 seasame oil.
Garnish with toasted seasame seeds and green onions and black pepper.
toss like a salad.
Doc
Sorry for the confusion about eating a lot of meat, I wouldn't say it's a ton, but usually my diet has a lot of veggies and starches too, but I do enjoy meat.
I'm really not looking to start a fight here, I was trying to make a point that I feel these little enviromental steps we take as individuals are just a drop in bucket of the scale of pollution going out there. To fight the global pollution and wasting of resources we should be using our voices and energy to change the system. If the gas guzzling suvs were not available or electric cars could compete in performance with gas, Id be the first in line to buy one. Polluting factories are killing us as well as the dependence of oil.
Like the hybrids you can buy now, they have huge banks of batteries and don't get too much more mileage than a non hybrid. People buy them because it makes them feel good and its popular to be green now. Hybrid hummer anyone? Sure these are all good steps in the right direction, but in the large scope of things make such a small impact.
I agree with you 100% about people only being green because its hip, thats what bothers me, pollute like theres no tomorrow, and then act green. My comments were not directed directly towards you, but to hiprocrites that acts green but for the wrong reasons.
I guess what I'm try to say is I think its weird that people are so green, environmentally sensitive, hippe (in a good sense) but still use and buy e-cigs. I can see someone being very conscience about their consumption of resources and pollution etc, but having to do some harm to be pratical, IE diabetic needles, gas, eletricity shopping at walmart etc, but smoking is a pure vice and not a necessity in anyway, and don't tell me an e-cig is a greener way than an analog. Roll a tobacco in a tree bark, thats green! Gross but green.
Anyways, I apologize if I offended,
to keep this thread on track I make a great salmon tofu watercress salad, just omit the salmon,
1 bunch watercress chopped
1 block firm tofu cut into pieces
1 onion thinly sliced
1 can salmon (omit if you want)
Sauce is 1 c. soy sauce 1/2c sugar and 1/4 seasame oil.
Garnish with toasted seasame seeds and green onions and black pepper.
toss like a salad.
Doc
I've never been the biggest fan of fake burgers, they pretty much just taste like liquid smoke. The only way I'll really eat them is to douse them in KC Masterpiece BBQ sauce and slop them on hamburger buns. It tastes almost exactly like the McRib. I call it a FibWich.
But yeah, I don't eat much fake meat nowadays, unless I go to a restaurant that seems to think that vegetarians only eat side salads and Boca burgers. My normal diet consists of foods like homemade roasted jalapeño hummus, chili, hearty lentil barley soup, you can make a Manwich by substituting the ground beef with cooked lentils and pearled barley, some homemade potato and mushroom pierogi, spicey peanut noodles, etc. The only fake meat that I actually buy anymore is Tofurky Hickory Smoked Deli Slices, that stuff is tasty, the kitties agree and can hear me open a package from a mile away.
But yeah, I don't eat much fake meat nowadays, unless I go to a restaurant that seems to think that vegetarians only eat side salads and Boca burgers. My normal diet consists of foods like homemade roasted jalapeño hummus, chili, hearty lentil barley soup, you can make a Manwich by substituting the ground beef with cooked lentils and pearled barley, some homemade potato and mushroom pierogi, spicey peanut noodles, etc. The only fake meat that I actually buy anymore is Tofurky Hickory Smoked Deli Slices, that stuff is tasty, the kitties agree and can hear me open a package from a mile away.
I agree with you about the green bags being such a moneymaking fad. I wish it weren't so. I sew my own from fabric scraps leftover from my other sewing projects. I've done it since I was a kid, I used to make myself totes and purses to match other clothes I made. I have totes that are over 10 years old that I made. I also give a lot of them away to friends and family. My mom switched from all plastic to all totes after many years of me trying to convince her they were better. The plastic sacks from the store bother me so much because they use petroleum, and plastic is forever. They aren't going anywhere, they don't break down. They do get into the lakes and oceans and kill aquatic life. And recycling them is the biggest hoax ever. To make the amount of plastic bags out of recycled bags that a company can sell for $300 takes $3000 worth of resources. Nobody's really recycling those bags. We need to ban them, like some countries and cities have done. Sorry, man. We'll have to agree to disagree on plastic shopping bags. I think they're an abomination. Want me to make you some totes?
I mean recycling them in a personal manner, like using them for other things. Like I said before, they are a thinner plastic then garbage bags, so I feel that by using them for my garbage it's better then if I were to use garbage bags. I used recycled paper bags for my garbage for a while, but when I was leaving for work one day as the garbage truck pulled up my garbage men yelled at me saying that the paper bags rip and then they have to pick up all the trash
. What do you use for garbage bags?rmasu:
Yeah you did, you said that it was silly to be worried if their were anchovies in Worcestershire sauce, that it was silly that I was worried about eating an animal.
I think hybrids are silly too. They run on electricity that comes from your house, and the electricity in your house comes from fossil fuels anyway. I just think people should drive the smallest car that they need to. For instance Nuck can't drive anything smaller then an SUV because he has 7 kids. If you have 4 or more kids, then yeah, you need an SUV or a mini-van, but most people I see driving them don't; they have one or two, and a lot of times none. And judging by the fact that you're only getting 11 mpg, it would seem like you either have full-time all wheel drive or something wrong with your car. If it's the former, is it really necessary to be using all that extra power to drive around town? I drive a small two-door sedan and only to places that I can't walk or ride my bike to.
And how can you say that an E-cig isn't more green then an analog? There's no smoke, and no more fiberglass filters being littered. These factories that make e-cigs aren't owned by the e-cig companies, the e-cig companies pay the factory to make their product, so if they weren't making e-cigs, they would be making something else and still producing pollution. So the pollution from the factories is going to be there either way, so at least by using e-cigs you aren't producing the pollution that analogs do.
If everyone had the same pessimistic attitude as you and believed that all these steps we take aren't doing anything, the environment would be a lot worse then it already is. I do use my voice and energy to try to change the system, but that doesn't mean that anything else that I do to try and help the environment is pointless.
I said you were lazy because you said that you "couldn't be bothered" to be environmentally sensitive. Because if someone sits back and does nothing to help protect the world for their children and grandchildren, because they can't be bothered to take any steps to preserve it, then yes, they fall under my definition of lazy, and selfish for that matter too.
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wow, I tried to smooth things out on my last post. I take it back for calling you and your beliefs silly. Bad choice of words on my part about not being bothered. I should say It doesn't seem it makes a difference being there is so much pollution and waste going around us. If you got a major artery bleeding you better tend to that before you put a bandaid on your paper cut.
I do have a big family so I guess my SUV is ok, I was embilishing the 11 mpg, its a 2004 2wd nissan titan, good running condition, so maybe 13 to 15. My major point was, why are people so enviromentally conscience willing to go out of their way but continue to smoke or vape? I think we can agree both are bad for the environment and totally unnessary. I gave my examples of driving a low milage car and eating meat and not recycling to make a point that the pollution from analogs and e-cigs doesn't bother me.
But it would seem if someone was so conscience about pollution, harming the environment they would quit both.
Doc
The factories making pollution wether they make e-cigs or not?
If someone doesn't eat meat for spiritual reasons thats one thing, but if one doesn't eat meat because its a hugh waste of resources then couldn't someone say, well...their making the meat anyways, so I'll just eat the steak.
I do have a big family so I guess my SUV is ok, I was embilishing the 11 mpg, its a 2004 2wd nissan titan, good running condition, so maybe 13 to 15. My major point was, why are people so enviromentally conscience willing to go out of their way but continue to smoke or vape? I think we can agree both are bad for the environment and totally unnessary. I gave my examples of driving a low milage car and eating meat and not recycling to make a point that the pollution from analogs and e-cigs doesn't bother me.
But it would seem if someone was so conscience about pollution, harming the environment they would quit both.
Doc
The factories making pollution wether they make e-cigs or not?
If someone doesn't eat meat for spiritual reasons thats one thing, but if one doesn't eat meat because its a hugh waste of resources then couldn't someone say, well...their making the meat anyways, so I'll just eat the steak.
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We aren't going out of our way to vape, we just can't escape it. I'm not proud to admit it, but I've done just about every drug that you can think of, including scores of research chemicals that no one here has ever heard of, some of which are arguably more addictive then any other illicit drug, and nothing has come close the the addictive power of cigarettes, nothing. I can't escape smoking, so at least I can do it in a way that's better for me and the environment.
I don't see how using e-cigs harms the environment though, like I said before, the factories that make e-cigs would just be making something else if they weren't making e-cigs, and e-cigs themselves don't produce any of the pollution that the smoke and filters of analogs do. In fact, I would argue that using an e-cig is GOOD for the enviroment, because you are exposing other people to them and ecouraging smokers to switch from analogs to e-cigs.
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That's totally different. As the demand for meat does down so will the production of meat. If the demand for e-cigs goes down and the factory no longer produces them, then the factory will go and produce something else, so it doesn't make a difference.
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well we agree on something! We're both addicted to nicotine!
And to call me selfish is a little hypocritical, you admit quitting smoking and quitting e-cigs would be better but you do it anyways because...you took scores of illicit drugs and are addictied to nicotine, so...even if its bad it's ok because you can't help it, thats selfish isn't it?
I still say e-cigs are worse for the evironment than analogs. Lets take a poll, Start a thread. Which is worse for the environ. e-cigs or analogs. Curious to hear what most say.
I'll do it.
Doc
And to call me selfish is a little hypocritical, you admit quitting smoking and quitting e-cigs would be better but you do it anyways because...you took scores of illicit drugs and are addictied to nicotine, so...even if its bad it's ok because you can't help it, thats selfish isn't it?
I still say e-cigs are worse for the evironment than analogs. Lets take a poll, Start a thread. Which is worse for the environ. e-cigs or analogs. Curious to hear what most say.
I'll do it.
Doc
I didn't "admit that quitting smoking and quitting e-cigs would be better", I actually said the opposite. I think that the act of using an e-cig in the public is actually good for the environment in the long run. I don't see how e-cigs are bad.
And doing something because you can't help it doesn't make it selfish. If you have no control over a situation it doesn't really matter what your feelings and motivations are, you still have no control.
However, you have control over whether or not you choose to take steps to try to make things better for future generations of your family, or you choose to just do what is easy and more convieneient for you.
A poll sounds like a great idea. How about you type up a paragraph arguing why you think e-cigs are worse for the environment then analogs, and I'll type up a paragraph saying why I think that e-cigs are better for the environment, and then we can put up a thread with a poll.
Man any kind of grilled/flame broiled veggie burger with cheese is so good.
UMMMMMMMM YUMMMMM
why ruin it with burger king zesty onion ring sauce (good for dippin but kind of ewww), just put regular burger stuff on it!!!!
UMMMMMMMM YUMMMMM
why ruin it with burger king zesty onion ring sauce (good for dippin but kind of ewww), just put regular burger stuff on it!!!!
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